How much time pass between the Saiyan and end of Namek saga?

[Angelus]

To be more specific, how much time passed between the arrival of Vegeta and Nappa on Earth and Planet Namek's destruction?

[Herms]

In chapter 243 when the gang's in the hospital after the battle with Vegeta, the narrator says that it's the next day. From there, Bulma goes and checks out God's ship, and says it will take 10 days to get the ship's language command switched over from Namekian (at first she says remodeling the ship will take 5 days, but she switches to 10 after deciding to change the language settings too), so they take off for Namek a total of 11 days after the battle.

In chapter 246, it says Bulma and co. reach Namek 34 days after departing Earth, and chapter 250 establishes that Goku leaves for Namek 2 hours after Bulma contacts Kame-sennin (shortly after she landed), and his ship will reach Namek in 6 days. Once Goku lands on Namek, it's all apparently just one really, really long day as he fights the Ginyu Force and Freeza. So, Namek explodes a total of 40 days after Bulma and co. leave Earth, which is itself 11 days after the battle with Vegeta, for a total of 51 days.

Based on all that, the Daizenshuu 7 timeline has Vegeta and Nappa attack Earth on November 3rd in Age 762, and the whole battle with Freeza and Namek's destruction on December 24th.

[Darkprince410]

Herms, in his guide guide topic, has a History of Ever, which details all the known dates for the Dragon Ball franchise. Those two dates are listed there.

To answer your question though, here are the two dates.

November 3rd, Age 762
Vegeta and Nappa arrive on Earth at 11:43 AM
--In the resulting battle, Yamcha is killed by one of the pair’s Saibai Men, while Chaozu, Tenshinhan, and Piccolo all die fighting Nappa. Piccolo’s death causes God to die too, and the Earth’s Dragon Balls turn to stone. Goku finally arrives and defeats Nappa, who Vegeta kills. Vegeta is defeated through the combined efforts of Goku, Gohan, Kuririn, and Yajirobe, but Goku spares his life, and he escapes into space. Kuririn suggests they travel to Planet Namek and use the Dragon Balls there to revive those killed by the Saiyans.
--DB Chapters 212-243 (DBZ 17-49) are set on this day.
[Ref: Date from Daizenshuu 7, time of day from Chapter 212. Chapter 241 shows night falling.]

December 24th, Age 762
The battle with Freeza
--The Ginyu Special-Squad lands on Planet Namek and begins fighting Vegeta, Gohan, and Kuririn. Goku arrives on Namek soon after, and the Ginyu Special-Squad is defeated. Goku is heavily injured in the battle, and is placed in a medical machine to heal for about 40~50 minutes. During that time Kuririn and the others use the Namekian Dragon Balls to summon Polunga, wishing Piccolo back to life and by extension reviving God and Earth’s Dragon Balls. Vegeta, Gohan, Kuririn, and the revived Piccolo (brought to Namek with another wish) battle Freeza, but are outclassed. Vegeta is killed, while Goku finishes healing and confronts Freeza. Ultimately Goku transforms into a legendary Super Saiyan and defeats Freeza, but their fight destroys Namek. Using Earth and Namek’s Dragon Balls, all those killed by Freeza and his henchmen are brought back to life and transported safely to Earth, while Goku escapes the exploding planet with one of the Ginyu Special-Squad’s ships.
--DB Chapters 270-329 (DBZ 76-135) are set on this day. Manga-wise, this is the “longest” day in the series, making up 60 chapters and about 11.5% of the series’ total run.
[Ref: Date from Daizenshuu 7. In Chapter 250 it says Goku will reach Namek in 6 days, so this is that long after the 18th. In Chapter 270, after Goku’s training scene, Freeza says that Zarbon has been gone for 4 days, and Kuririn says it’s been 4 days too, so this is also 4 days after the 20th. Goku healing for 40~50 minutes is from Chapter 291. These events occurring on Christmas Eve may be a reference to a short (5 panels) side manga by Toriyama featured in Weekly Jump No.3-4, 1991, which shows the characters celebrating Christmas in various ways, all where they would be during this point in the Namek/Freeza arc.]

[Angelus]

Just 51 days? So how the heck were the Earth Dragon Balls able to not be stone and grant the wish of "reviving everyone killed by Frieza and his henchmen" when 51 days earlier, that same set of Dragon Balls were used to bring Goku back to life, in order for Goku to fight Vegeta and Nappa?

Also, Goku was revived after being dead for more than year? If Raditz died on October 12th, Age 761... then Goku being revived on November 3rd, Age 762, the same day Nappa and Vegeta arrive on Earth... means he's already weeks past that one year cut off. Whhhaaattt?

[Herms]

Just 51 days? So how the heck were the Earth Dragon Balls able to not be stone and grant the wish of "reviving everyone killed by Freeza and his henchmen" when 51 days earlier, that same set of Dragon Balls were used to bring Goku back to life, in order for Goku to fight Vegeta and Nappa?

It's a bit of a plot hole, but I think the idea is that God and Piccolo getting wished back to life also revived the Earth's dragon balls without the year wait. And back when God had to repair Shenlong after Piccolo killed him, he told Goku that though normally the balls would be inactive for a year, he made them ready to grant another wish right away as a special service. So apparently the year wait can be gotten around in unusual circumstances. At any rate, there's pretty much no way a full year passes between Vegeta attacking Earth and Namek's destruction, what with the various comments from the narrator and others on X number of days passing between this and that. Even ignoring the narration, there's really no good place to stick an extra 10 months into the story.

[Angelus]

Oh so Kami just used his authority or magic to make the Dragon Balls grant another wish.

The same exception he granted Goku when Goku was resurrected well after a year's time of being dead? Goku died with Raditz on October 12th, Age 761... then Goku being revived on November 3rd, Age 762, the same day Nappa and Vegeta arrive on Earth... means he's already weeks past that one year cut off.

[Rocketman]

The one-year time limit only applies to large groups of people.

[Herms]

The same exception he granted Goku when Goku was resurrected well after a year's time of being dead? Goku died with Raditz on October 12th, Age 761... then Goku being revived on November 3rd, Age 762, the same day Nappa and Vegeta arrive on Earth... means he's already weeks past that one year cut off.

Well, the year limit on reviving someone is pretty much a fan myth. All that's said in the series is that if they made a wish to revive all those people killed by Vegeta and Nappa, they would be limited to only those who died in the past year. The year limit is never mentioned in regards to wishing a single person or even a small group back to life, and seems like something that only kicks in due to the extremely large number of people Vegeta and Nappa killed. Plus, right after Kaio hears this explanation, he hatches his plan to use the dragon balls to revive everyone killed by Freeza and his men. He tells Yamcha and co. that their own resurrection will have to be delayed, and they're all fine with this. But if the year limit applied to single people or small groups, Yamcha and co. would all be screwed by Kaio's plan, and Kaio should realize it.

But despite all that, the Daizenshuu 7 timeline is still wrong to have Goku brought back more than a year later, because in the series Vegeta and Nappa turn out to arrive about a month sooner than expected...in other words, about one month short of a full year. Their early arrival is commented on by several characters, and fits with how the narrator says Goku reaches Kaio's planet after 6 months, at which point Kaio explains that they Saiyans will land on Earth in 158 days...so about 5 months, making a total of just a little over 11 months between Goku's death and revival.

[Angelus]

So why did Goku request not to be revived until a "year from now"? Was it simply because the Saiyans would arrive "a year from now"? If the Saiyans were set to arrive in two years, would Goku have wanted to be revived "2 years from now"?

So let me get this straight, about the Earth Dragon Balls limitations on reviving people...

- You can't revive someone that died of natural causes
- You can't revive someone more than once
- You can only revive multiple people if they died within a time-frame of a year

So... you can revive one person that got murdered 100 years ago then? Another example, they can use one Earth DB (the set of Kami's, NOT Dende's) wish to revive Mutaito then?

[B]

- You can't revive someone more than once

You can't make the same wish twice, which that would be rolled into. It's never tested or brought up, but I guess if someone wanted to wish for some panties after Oolong, they're up shit creek with that one.

[Hitiro]

So... you can revive one person that got murdered 100 years ago then? Another example, they can use one Earth DB (the set of Kami's, NOT Dende's) wish to revive Mutaito then?

The time frame for reviving a single person is debatable. We know that souls undergo reincarnation at some point so it would be impossible for the same person to be resurrected after their soul had been reincarnated into a new person. It's possible that the reincarnation time is linked to how good a soul is. If they're like Freeza it may take many years for the soul to be reincarnated. If they are an average white collar worker then they could be reincarnated the next day. This is all highly subjective though.

[dbgtFO]

So... you can revive one person that got murdered 100 years ago then? Another example, they can use one Earth DB (the set of Kami's, NOT Dende's) wish to revive Mutaito then?

The time frame for reviving a single person is debatable. We know that souls undergo reincarnation at some point so it would be impossible for the same person to be resurrected after their soul had been reincarnated into a new person. It's possible that the reincarnation time is linked to how good a soul is. If they're like Freeza it may take many years for the soul to be reincarnated. If they are an average white collar worker then they could be reincarnated the next day. This is all highly subjective though.

Toriyama explained that Majin Buu was reincarnated quickly because he was pure evil. Since Freeza is probably less evil it might take longer for his soul to get cleansed.

Majin Buu is invincible, but where does he get his energy from? It can’t be from all that candy he eats, can it…?

AT: He doesn’t particularly need energy. It’s just that he likes candy.

*By the way, since the bad Buu was pure evil, he was easily purified in the afterlife, and was able to be reincarnated as Uub right away.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... mysteries/

[Hitiro]

Toriyama explained that Majin Buu was reincarnated quickly because he was pure evil. Since Freeza is probably less evil it might take longer for his soul to get cleansed.

I see. But I don't thin it is protocol to reincarnate a soul that quickly. Goku did say Enma owed him a favour and did Boo's reincarnation quickly.

[dbgtFO]

Toriyama explained that Majin Buu was reincarnated quickly because he was pure evil. Since Freeza is probably less evil it might take longer for his soul to get cleansed.

I see. But I don't thin it is protocol to reincarnate a soul that quickly. Goku did say Enma owed him a favour and did Boo's reincarnation quickly.

I don't recall Goku saying the reincarnation was done quickly/quicker than usual. Care to provide the quote?

[Hitiro]

I don't recall Goku saying the reincarnation was done quickly/quicker than usual. Care to provide the quote?

He didn't actually say quickly, but that's it seems like to me along with getting Boo reincarnated on Earth as opposed to another planet. It's the second to last page of chapter 518(DBZ 324).

Goku: 10 years ago, when evil Boo was about to die, I wished he'd be reincarnated as a good guy, so we could fight again.

Goku: Well, King Enma seems to have pulled some strings for me...

[Zephyr]

God and Piccolo getting wished back to life also revived the Earth's dragon balls without the year wait. And back when God had to repair Shenlong after Piccolo killed him, he told Goku that though normally the balls would be inactive for a year, he made them ready to grant another wish right away as a special service. So apparently the year wait can be gotten around in unusual circumstances.

Oddly enough that didn't seem to work with Polunga when the Grand Elder was revived. Do you think it would work with Dende?

If so, then one could potentially gather both sets of Dragon Balls, summon Shenlong, and use the three wishes. Kill Dende, and revive him with Polunga. Get Shenlong again and get three more wishes. Kill Dende again and revive him again with Polunga's second wish. Wash, rinse, repeat, and you could get 12 wishes out of Shenlong. And in the context of GT that would be one hell of a way to build up minus energy.

[dbgtFO]

I don't recall Goku saying the reincarnation was done quickly/quicker than usual. Care to provide the quote?

He didn't actually say quickly, but that's it seems like to me along with getting Boo reincarnated on Earth as opposed to another planet. It's the second to last page of chapter 518(DBZ 324).

Goku: 10 years ago, when evil Boo was about to die, I wished he'd be reincarnated as a good guy, so we could fight again.

Goku: Well, King Enma seems to have pulled some strings for me...

Well at least Toriyama isn't directly contradicting himself with that statement. I found it funny, he went out of his way to point it out, when the question had nothing to do with that. I've theorized before it was his justification for bringing Freeza back and in some twisted way, it might make sense.

[Angelus]

Yeah but the question remains... Can Mutaito be revived using Kami's set if DBs then?

[dbgtFO]

Yeah but the question remains... Can Mutaito be revived using Kami's set if DBs then?

Sure why not?
If Grandpa Gohan got a body in Heaven, so should Mutaito, who saved Earth from Piccolo.

[Angelus]

Even though it's been decades since his death?