Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[RandomGuy96]

If Freeza "somehow" becomes a legitimate threat in this movie and even Goku has a hard time fighting him why not just ask Buu to help?

With Buu's magical regeneration power, absorbing ability and huge power level that should be enough right?
I bet Freeza wouldn't expect his regeneration or ability to absorb him.

They could just get Mr. Buu to turn him into candy. Freeza is a cocky asshole that'd just let him do it. But they're probably gonna forget that Mr. Buu even has that power, because he's not ~~~Goku~~~. Alternatively, they'll give that ability to Goku and make Buu fire generic antenna beams.

Goku will also be using the Kikoho, Special Beam Cannon, and Kamikaze Ghosts.

[JulieYBM]

I think it's a good idea. If Gokuu only has only Super Saiyan God as a transformation it is a little easier to show his increase in power when the battle begins to turn his way. Even if Gokuu doesn't transform into any other form it still holds a little more weight than having cycle through four different forms.

[GogesusSSG]

I am curious to know if there will be another god ritual (likely for Vegeta) and with Goku's ki being different would that prevent from him being involved in it; but if he can will that also mean that next super saiyan god will get a greater boost than Goku did with there simply being more ki shared than for his.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Re: Reason for no ssj1
I definitely want an official reason for this though. Toriyama talked about getting rid of 2 and 3, but so far there's no reason to get rid of 1 that was stated. He even jumped into 1 after getting the ssjg power-up so it's not like that negated it.

Goku has either learned through his training with Whis not to rely on SSJ anymore... or he still needs SSJ1 to reach a certain power, but is able to defeat Freeza without going all out. If I had to guess, though, I'd say it's going to be the former, because the latter would be too much of a spoiler to tell everyone before the movie.

[UpFromTheSkies]

If Freeza "somehow" becomes a legitimate threat in this movie and even Goku has a hard time fighting him why not just ask Buu to help?

With Buu's magical regeneration power, absorbing ability and huge power level that should be enough right?
I bet Freeza wouldn't expect his regeneration or ability to absorb him.

They could just get Mr. Buu to turn him into candy.

Assuming Buu is fast enough, they could do that, just like Goku could have put on a space suit and teleported all of his enemies into deep space and left them there, but that would have been really boring.

[RandomGuy96]

If Freeza "somehow" becomes a legitimate threat in this movie and even Goku has a hard time fighting him why not just ask Buu to help?

With Buu's magical regeneration power, absorbing ability and huge power level that should be enough right?
I bet Freeza wouldn't expect his regeneration or ability to absorb him.

They could just get Mr. Buu to turn him into candy.

Assuming Buu is fast enough, they could do that, just like Goku could have put on a space suit and teleported all of his enemies into deep space and left them there, but that would have been really boring.

He wouldn't need to be fast enough. Mr. Buu could just brag about being able to one-shot Freeza, and Freeza would just laugh and let him do it. After learning the teleportation technique, Goku never fought an opponent that would actually be useful on. 19, Cell, Cell Jr, and Buu can all survive in space. Yakon and Vegeta were trivial for him even without resorting to teleporting them. He also can't just teleport anywhere he wants; he needs a ki to follow. Kibitoshin doesn't, though, and logically Mr. Buu should have learned Kibitoshin's version by now.

[Herms]

We know from Toriyama that Freeza isn't going to "merely" be revived, so while we obviously don't know the details yet, we can probably expect some sort of big power-up that will put Freeza somewhere in the vicinity of new-and-improved post-BoG Goku. Boo obviously wasn't able to do much against Beerus in BoG, so odds are he'd get similar results fighting Super-Duper Revived Freeza. Even if Freeza got turned into candy, we'd probably just end up with the World's Strongest-er Candy Ball.

Assuming Buu is fast enough, they could do that, just like Goku could have put on a space suit and teleported all of his enemies into deep space and left them there, but that would have been really boring.

Going by the original rules of Goku's Teleportation technique, he shouldn't be able to teleport into deep space since he needs to lock onto someone's ki first, meaning he can't teleport to places where there isn't anyone around. That's why he had to take Cell to Kaio's planet rather than some uninhabited spot, despite the fact that he obviously didn't want to get Kaio or Bubbles mixed up in things. Of course, the JSAT special and BoG seem to show Goku breaking this rule and teleporting around freely. We could hand wave this and say maybe he's improved his technique or is actually locking on to microscopic organisms or God knows what. But during the main series, Goku is consistently shown to be unable to teleport anywhere that doesn't have someone whose ki he can sense.

Kibito totally could kill loads of people like that, though.

[RandomGuy96]

Kibito totally could kill loads of people like that, though.

That wouldn't really be useful to him, since most of the villains can survive in space. He could use it if Vegeta ever got out of control, I guess. Or he could have used it against Dabra, but then again Kaioshin apparently could have rendered Dabra completely immobile, weak, and vulnerable at any time he wanted to just by waving his arm. So whatever.

Of course, the JSAT special and BoG seem to show Goku breaking this rule and teleporting around freely. We could hand wave this and say maybe he's improved his technique or is actually locking on to microscopic organisms or God knows what. But during the main series, Goku is consistently shown to be unable to teleport anywhere that doesn't have someone whose ki he can sense.

Or Kibitoshin just taught him the Kai Kai version. Logically, Mr. Buu should know that technique too. He saw it used a couple of times. Even if he just wasn't paying attention or something, it'd be trivial to teach it to him considering how fast he learns.

We know from Toriyama that Freeza isn't going to "merely" be revived, so while we obviously don't know the details yet, we can probably expect some sort of big power-up that will put Freeza somewhere in the vicinity of new-and-improved post-BoG Goku. Boo obviously wasn't able to do much against Beerus in BoG, so odds are he'd get similar results fighting Super-Duper Revived Freeza. Even if Freeza got turned into candy, we'd probably just end up with the World's Strongest-er Candy Ball.

Mr. Buu didn't even try to use his Candy Beam against Beerus in BOG, and Vegetto was only able to resist transmutation because he's Vegetto, not because of his actual power. I guess you could introduce a similar special resistance to Freeza- like, he's a god now so he can keep his power even after being turned into candy (but then why didn't Mr. Buu?)- but I think it's more likely that they're just going to forget Mr. Buu has that move again. Or, judging by the Goku-Gohan precedent, take it from Buu and give it to Goku.

[Chuquita]

I hope Greg's coverage of Jump Festa includes what the dialogue read from the Fukkatsu no F script was like. @_@
The slow dripping of plot info compared to what we got at BOG's Jump Festa run is rough.

JF coverage is gonna be part of OPP's podcast early next month.

[singsing]

If Freeza "somehow" becomes a legitimate threat in this movie and even Goku has a hard time fighting him why not just ask Buu to help?

With Buu's magical regeneration power, absorbing ability and huge power level that should be enough right?
I bet Freeza wouldn't expect his regeneration or ability to absorb him.

They could just get Mr. Buu to turn him into candy. Freeza is a cocky asshole that'd just let him do it. But they're probably gonna forget that Mr. Buu even has that power, because he's not ~~~Goku~~~. Alternatively, they'll give that ability to Goku and make Buu fire generic antenna beams.

Goku will also be using the Kikoho, Special Beam Cannon, and Kamikaze Ghosts.

And then Freeza gets the same hax and can fight as candy. Yay!

[UpFromTheSkies]

Assuming Buu is fast enough, they could do that, just like Goku could have put on a space suit and teleported all of his enemies into deep space and left them there, but that would have been really boring.

Going by the original rules of Goku's Teleportation technique, he shouldn't be able to teleport into deep space since he needs to lock onto someone's ki first, meaning he can't teleport to places where there isn't anyone around. That's why he had to take Cell to Kaio's planet rather than some uninhabited spot, despite the fact that he obviously didn't want to get Kaio or Bubbles mixed up in things. Of course, the JSAT special and BoG seem to show Goku breaking this rule and teleporting around freely. We could hand wave this and say maybe he's improved his technique or is actually locking on to microscopic organisms or God knows what. But during the main series, Goku is consistently shown to be unable to teleport anywhere that doesn't have someone whose ki he can sense.

Kibito totally could kill loads of people like that, though.

He used it to move around during battle, didn't he? I thought he only needed to know exactly where he wanted to go, but I could be wrong... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Another example then would be using the Dragon Balls to relocate enemies into deep space, or making the Saiyans or Freeza's space pods/ships disappear or relocate without them, or replacing the air in their lungs with lava... There are lots of easy ways out of bad situations, but they don't make for very good stories.

[singsing]

Assuming Buu is fast enough, they could do that, just like Goku could have put on a space suit and teleported all of his enemies into deep space and left them there, but that would have been really boring.

Going by the original rules of Goku's Teleportation technique, he shouldn't be able to teleport into deep space since he needs to lock onto someone's ki first, meaning he can't teleport to places where there isn't anyone around. That's why he had to take Cell to Kaio's planet rather than some uninhabited spot, despite the fact that he obviously didn't want to get Kaio or Bubbles mixed up in things. Of course, the JSAT special and BoG seem to show Goku breaking this rule and teleporting around freely. We could hand wave this and say maybe he's improved his technique or is actually locking on to microscopic organisms or God knows what. But during the main series, Goku is consistently shown to be unable to teleport anywhere that doesn't have someone whose ki he can sense.

Kibito totally could kill loads of people like that, though.

He used it to move around during battle, didn't he? I thought he only needed to know exactly where he wanted to go, but I could be wrong... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Another example then would be using the Dragon Balls to relocate enemies into deep space, or making the Saiyans or Freeza's space pods/ships disappear or relocate without them, or replacing the air in their lungs with lava... There are lots of easy ways out of bad situations, but they don't make for very good stories.

During battle using the people he's battling as the ki points I assume.

[Herms]

And then Freeza gets the same hax and can fight as candy. Yay!

Turns out, the F stands for "Fudgesicle". Goku and Vegeta don't become Super Saiyans because they become candy balls instead, and the final battle is between candy ball Vegetto and fudgesicle Freeza. As a fudgesicle, Freeza is extremely powerful, but can only maintain his power for a few minutes before he melts.

[UpFromTheSkies]

During battle using the people he's battling as the ki points I assume.

If that were so, then he could move anywhere in reference to a ki point, for example 10 million light years away from the point of Cells ki lol. But it's not important, my point is that taking an easy way out of a situation is no way to tell a story.

[ultimateemail5000]

I'm sure somebody already said this, but if Goku isn't going Super anymore, this would explain why at the end of the series he didn't go super fighting Uub.

[MCDaveG]

What I am looking forward to is this:
Freeza: ''Now, come on Saiyan scum, you see that you don't have a chance. Go on, change to SSJ and give me at least a little enjoyable fight''
Goku: ''I don't have to...''

[Gonstead]

And then Freeza gets the same hax and can fight as candy. Yay!

Turns out, the F stands for "Fudgesicle". Goku and Vegeta don't become Super Saiyans because they become candy balls instead, and the final battle is between candy ball Vegetto and fudgesicle Freeza. As a fudgesicle, Freeza is extremely powerful, but can only maintain his power for a few minutes before he melts.

Fund it!

[MCDaveG]

And then Freeza gets the same hax and can fight as candy. Yay!

Turns out, the F stands for "Fudgesicle". Goku and Vegeta don't become Super Saiyans because they become candy balls instead, and the final battle is between candy ball Vegetto and fudgesicle Freeza. As a fudgesicle, Freeza is extremely powerful, but can only maintain his power for a few minutes before he melts.

Fund it!

Yeah, and the planet is mistakenly turned into giant choco ball and will burst into a fountain in five minutes!

I wanna five minute time limit in this movie, for whatever happens, just for lolz.

[Unicorn_Bazooka]

On a side note, isn't the movie's japanese title technically "F of the Revival"?
Maybe I'm being too literal, but "Fukkatsu no F" is essentially "Fukkatsu's F".

Now I don't mean I want the movie to be called that, it's just been bothering me for a while

[Herms]

On a side note, isn't the movie's japanese title technically "F of the Revival"?
Maybe I'm being too literal, but "Fukkatsu no F" is essentially "Fukkatsu's F".

Basically, you're being too literal. I think I mentioned this a while back, but a good counterpoint for the new movie's title is the title for DBZ movie 12, Fukkatsu no Fyūjon!! Gokū to Bejīta. The Fukkatsu no Fyūjon is generally translated as "The Rebirth of Fusion"/"The Revival of Fusion", or words to that effect, and the Funi English title for the movie sticks pretty close with "Fusion Reborn". The idea is that the Fusion technique is making a comeback, so "Revival of Fusion" fits that. Something like "Fusion of the Revival" arguably works as a literal translation, but makes very little sense and so doesn't really convey the title's intended meaning. On the same principle, "The Revival of F" gets the intended meaning of Fukkatsu no F across ("Freeza's coming back from the dead"), while "F of the Revival" really doesn't.