Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Jackal puFF]

It's a bit weird that all the fighters are together training it seems but only Goten and Trunks are missing.. Hmm maybe they could be babysitting Pan and Bulla? I have no doubt that they'll appear in the movie. How awesome would it be to see them old plus that! I hope we get more concept art and model sheets of characters for the movie soon. Hmm the magazine said something about Krillin being a police officer? I guess he just doesn't want to live with Roshi anymore.

[Lord Beerus]

Honestly, I think a new series with a new cast would revitalize the franchise. It would a huge gamble but at this stage, I think Toei and Toriyama should start taking risks. I mean look at the new Star Wars movie coming out next year, there's going to be a whole new cast of characters set in a galaxy far, far away. If freakin Star Wars can pull something like that off why not Dragon Ball?

[Chuquita]

It's a bit weird that all the fighters are together training it seems but only Goten and Trunks are missing.. Hmm maybe they could be babysitting Pan and Bulla? I have no doubt that they'll appear in the movie. How awesome would it be to see them old plus that! I hope we get more concept art and model sheets of characters for the movie soon.

I wonder if Gohan's concept art this month is kicking off a "you get one new character concept art per month via VJump" trend?

Goten and Trunks babysitting them would make for a fun B story to Freeza's A story. :3

[EmmaWinters]

Honestly, I think a new series with a new cast would revitalize the franchise ... If freakin Star Wars can pull something like that off why not Dragon Ball?

Star Wars isn't Luke Skywalker and his friends.
Dragon Ball is Goku and his friends.

[Lord Beerus]

Honestly, I think a new series with a new cast would revitalize the franchise ... If freakin Star Wars can pull something like that off why not Dragon Ball?

Star Wars isn't Luke Skywalker and his friends.
Dragon Ball is Goku and his friends.

No it isn't. Dragon Ball is Wuxia. You could replace the Z-Fighters with another group of martial artists and blood knights and get damn near the same story.

[miguelnuva1]

Honestly, I think a new series with a new cast would revitalize the franchise ... If freakin Star Wars can pull something like that off why not Dragon Ball?

Star Wars isn't Luke Skywalker and his friends.
Dragon Ball is Goku and his friends.

No it isn't. Dragon Ball is Wuxia. You could replace the Z-Fighters with another group of martial artists and blood knights and get damn near the same story.

LUKE, Han and Leia are in episode 7. Dragon Ball might work with a new cast of characters but only if we get Goku vs the new guy to send the series off.

[Hellspawn28]

I don't think a new series with a completely different cast would work, it just wouldn't be Dragon Ball without Goku. To make a new series work, they need to find someway to depower Goku and Vegeta... maybe they could reveal that the 7th universe is the weakest, and in other universes Goku and Vegeta are small fries...and maybe Whis could send them on a mission to another universe, but there is an incredibly powerful universe patrol force that is tasked with keeping people from crossing over universes, and so they have to deal with being chased by them the whole time.

A new series with a brand new cast of characters can work if they do a Next Generation type of show. Star Trek: The Next Generation took place in the same universe as the original series but were not immediate continuations of previous events. The Next Generation didn't had the original cast and was still a very popular show.

[bleed0range]

Honestly, I think a new series with a new cast would revitalize the franchise ... If freakin Star Wars can pull something like that off why not Dragon Ball?

Star Wars isn't Luke Skywalker and his friends.
Dragon Ball is Goku and his friends.

No it isn't. Dragon Ball is Wuxia. You could replace the Z-Fighters with another group of martial artists and blood knights and get damn near the same story.

I EXTREMELY disagree. The energy blasts, fights, bad guys, etc. don't mean that much to me without the characters I love. Part of what is charming and wonderful about Dragon Ball is the character of Goku (who is pretty unique)... if you like Vegeta then consider Vegeta is so good because he was the direct opposite of Goku. It's like with Joker/Batman, their differences make them so great when you put the two of them together. You can have another story or show about dragon balls but it would never be the same.

My stance on there being another series is... sometimes things just have to end and shouldn't go on forever. It's not the answer everyone wants or likes, but sometimes it's for the best. All good things must come to an end. One more brush stroke ruins the painting. It depends, but there are some instances where I don't believe adding more is really improving the franchise. So far I like what they've done with BOG and Jump Special but Bardock was awful and the remake of the Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans thing was unnecessary.

Remember GT? It wasn't all that great and is an example of trying to force something that really should have just ended with Toriyama to continue. Toriyama's involvement right now makes me okay with the little bit here and there but unless he feels up to creating some manga or a new series then I think it's fine to let DB end here (for now).

[Herms]

I EXTREMELY disagree. The energy blasts, fights, bad guys, etc. don't mean that much to me without the characters I love. Part of what is charming and wonderful about Dragon Ball is the character of Goku (who is pretty unique)... if you like Vegeta then consider Vegeta is so good because he was the direct opposite of Goku. It's like with Joker/Batman, their differences make them so great when you put the two of them together. You can have another story or show about dragon balls but it would never be the same.

I guess I see it both ways. I definitely agree that having the characters we know and love is important. DB might not have the deepest characters in the world, but darn it, I like those guys, and I think that's a big part of what holds the whole thing together. I think Toriyama's art style is possibly the biggest single factor in DB's success, and the great way he draws fights is obviously also key, but at the same time I'm not terribly interested in seeing any random Toriyama-style characters beating each other up. Not if I've got no prior attachment. Otherwise, why should I care who wins or loses? Goku versus Freeza is great because of the entire story arc that leads up to it, and it wouldn't be the same if it were just Character A versus Character B, even if the fight choreography were exactly the same and the art quality as high.

On the other hand though, new characters get introduced all throughout DB. Who's there from the very beginning? Not Piccolo. Not Gohan. Not Vegeta. Or Trunks, or Goten, or Mister Satan, Videl, Boo...even Kuririn isn't around for the very first story arc, and Tenshinhan doesn't show up for ages in comparison. They were all fresh new characters thrown into the mix to spice things up. People can get attached to new characters, there's no question about it. It's all just a matter of how skillfully they're introduced, how well they're written, etc.

On the other, other hand, I am rather wary of a Next Generation style approach with DB. I don't think introducing a whole new cast of characters all at once would work too well, at least not with this series. Toriyama typically introduces a pair of new characters at a time, and I think that approach works better with DB, maybe because of Toriyama's general seat-of-his-pants, play-it-by-ear style. Better to just throw a new character or two into the mix and see how that works out, wait a while, then add another few characters. Before you know it, you've got an entire new cast without it ever feeling like loads of characters turning up out of nowhere. If you compare the very start of DB to the beginning of the Z era, it feels like practically a new main cast, and then if you compare the start of Z to the end it feels like yet another new cast. But if you read/watch the series chapter by chapter or episode by episode, it doesn't feel like there's one point where the current cast gets retired and a new cast introduced. There may be a few big jumps (like going from the Cell arc to Boo), but overall changes happen gradually. Introducing an entire new cast all at once would probably require more careful planning than we're likely to ever get out of Toriyama, and I don't think there are any other writers associated with the franchise who could pull it off (not Ooishi, not Koyama, not Watanabe, not Toyotaro). Maybe if they headhunted someone totally new it could work, but again that might not end up feeling much like DB.

[Saiga]

I guess I see it both ways. I definitely agree that having the characters we know and love is important. DB might not have the deepest characters in the world, but darn it, I like those guys, and I think that's a big part of what holds the whole thing together. I think Toriyama's art style is possibly the biggest single factor in DB's success, and the great way he draws fights is obviously another big factor, but at the same time I'm not terribly interesting in seeing any random Toriyama style characters beating each other up. Not if I've got no prior attachment. Otherwise, why should I care who wins or who loses? Goku vs Freeza is great because of the entire story arc that leads up to it, and it wouldn't be the same if it were just Character A vs Character B, even if the fight choreography was exactly the same and the art quality was as high.

On the other hand though, new characters get introduced all throughout DB. Who's there's from the very beginning? Not Piccolo. Not Gohan. Not Vegeta. Or Trunks, or Goten, or Mister Satan, Videl, Boo...even Kuririn isn't around for the very first story arc, and Tenshinhan doesn't show up for ages in comparison. Those were all fresh new characters thrown into the mix to spice things up. People can get attached to new characters, there's no question about it. It's all just a matter of how skillfully they're introduced, how well they're written, etc.

On the other, other hand, I am rather wary of a Next Generation style approach with DB. I don't think introducing a whole new cast of characters all at once would work too well, at least not with this series. Toriyama typically introduces a pair of new characters at a time, and I think that approach works better with DB, maybe because of Toriyama's general seat-of-his-pants, play-it-by-ear style. Better to just throw a new character or two in the mix and see how that works out, wait a while, then add another few characters. Before you know it, you've got an entire new cast without it ever feeling like loads of characters turning up out of nowhere. If you compare the very start of DB to the start of the Z era, it feels like practically a new main cast, and then if you compare the start of Z to the end it feels like another almost new cast. But if you read/watch the series chapter by chapter or episode by episode, it doesn't feel like there's one point where the current cast gets retired and a new cast introduced. There may be a few big jumps (like going from the Cell arc to Boo), but overall changes happen gradually. Introducing an entire new cast all at once would probably require more careful planning than we're likely to ever get out of Toriyama, and I don't think there are any other writers associated with the franchise who could pull it off (not Ooishi, not Koyama, not Watanabe, not "Toyotaro"). Maybe if they headhunted someone totally new it could work, but again that might not end up feeling much like DB.

I agree with all of this.

I'd also add that I don't think Goku himself is necessary to Dragon Ball at all, and things could easily be done without him (...and have, multiple times). I wouldn't be fond of "jump forward, all new characters" but slowly transitioning from old to new characters would work well I think. I think you could go as far as to end with a completely fresh cast if done that way.

I think one of Dragon Ball's problems is that it didn't write people out often enough, or did half-hearted attempts at doing so. So you've got a bunch of people just hanging around not doing much, or re-appearing only to add very little when they do so.

[Low Tone G]

I guess I see it both ways. I definitely agree that having the characters we know and love is important. DB might not have the deepest characters in the world, but darn it, I like those guys, and I think that's a big part of what holds the whole thing together. I think Toriyama's art style is possibly the biggest single factor in DB's success, and the great way he draws fights is obviously another big factor, but at the same time I'm not terribly interesting in seeing any random Toriyama style characters beating each other up. Not if I've got no prior attachment. Otherwise, why should I care who wins or who loses? Goku vs Freeza is great because of the entire story arc that leads up to it, and it wouldn't be the same if it were just Character A vs Character B, even if the fight choreography was exactly the same and the art quality was as high.

On the other hand though, new characters get introduced all throughout DB. Who's there's from the very beginning? Not Piccolo. Not Gohan. Not Vegeta. Or Trunks, or Goten, or Mister Satan, Videl, Boo...even Kuririn isn't around for the very first story arc, and Tenshinhan doesn't show up for ages in comparison. Those were all fresh new characters thrown into the mix to spice things up. People can get attached to new characters, there's no question about it. It's all just a matter of how skillfully they're introduced, how well they're written, etc.

On the other, other hand, I am rather wary of a Next Generation style approach with DB. I don't think introducing a whole new cast of characters all at once would work too well, at least not with this series. Toriyama typically introduces a pair of new characters at a time, and I think that approach works better with DB, maybe because of Toriyama's general seat-of-his-pants, play-it-by-ear style. Better to just throw a new character or two in the mix and see how that works out, wait a while, then add another few characters. Before you know it, you've got an entire new cast without it ever feeling like loads of characters turning up out of nowhere. If you compare the very start of DB to the start of the Z era, it feels like practically a new main cast, and then if you compare the start of Z to the end it feels like another almost new cast. But if you read/watch the series chapter by chapter or episode by episode, it doesn't feel like there's one point where the current cast gets retired and a new cast introduced. There may be a few big jumps (like going from the Cell arc to Boo), but overall changes happen gradually. Introducing an entire new cast all at once would probably require more careful planning than we're likely to ever get out of Toriyama, and I don't think there are any other writers associated with the franchise who could pull it off (not Ooishi, not Koyama, not Watanabe, not "Toyotaro"). Maybe if they headhunted someone totally new it could work, but again that might not end up feeling much like DB.

I agree with all of this.

I'd also add that I don't think Goku himself is necessary to Dragon Ball at all, and things could easily be done without him (...and have, multiple times). I wouldn't be fond of "jump forward, all new characters" but slowly transitioning from old to new characters would work well I think. I think you could go as far as to end with a completely fresh cast if done that way.

I think one of Dragon Ball's problems is that it didn't write people out often enough, or did half-hearted attempts at doing so. So you've got a bunch of people just hanging around not doing much, or re-appearing only to add very little when they do so.

I can not imagine Dragon Ball without Goku.

[Saiga]

We've had two specials without Goku that were really quite good, and the series does just fine while he's off being dead or suffering heart failure or whatever.

[Low Tone G]

We've had two specials without Goku that were really quite good, and the series does just fine while he's off being dead or suffering heart failure or whatever.

We have EOB without him, but which is the other?

[RandomGuy96]

We've had two specials without Goku that were really quite good, and the series does just fine while he's off being dead or suffering heart failure or whatever.

We have EOB withou him, but which is the other?

The Trunks special. Also, the Bardock special.

[Low Tone G]

We've had two specials without Goku that were really quite good, and the series does just fine while he's off being dead or suffering heart failure or whatever.

We have EOB withou him, but which is the other?

The Trunks special. Also, the Bardock special.

In both of them he appears. In Bardock's special he is a baby. And in Trunks' special when dies.

[Saiga]

We've had two specials without Goku that were really quite good, and the series does just fine while he's off being dead or suffering heart failure or whatever.

We have EOB withou him, but which is the other?

The Trunks special. Also, the Bardock special.

Yes, those were the two specials that were quite good. I had forgotten EoB... but I definitely wouldn't include it in my original statement.

@Low Tone G He contributes fuck all to either movie, though. It's a cameo appearance, and especially in the case of the Trunks special, wouldn't matter if it wasn't there.

[Low Tone G]

Yes, those were the two specials that were quite good. I had forgotten EoB... but I definitely wouldn't include it in my original statement.

@Low Tone G He contributes fuck all to either movie, though. It's a cameo appearance, and especially in the case of the Trunks special, wouldn't matter if it wasn't there.

That's true, but he still appeares, giving him a honor. In EOB he isn't even mentioned. Everything in Dragon Ball is related to his existance!

[Chuquita]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ochimusha108
Greg coming to the rescue for news updates!
Kuririn has his own police vehicle, Freeza has a new form, and more!

[SaiyaJedi]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ochimusha108
Greg coming to the rescue for news updates!
Kuririn has his own police vehicle, Freeza has a new form, and more!

Seems like he hasn't been paying attention to news updates about the movie. Some things, like Sorbet and Tagoma, have been huge parts of the marketing thus far. Like in the magazine where his column is published, for instance.

Still, Kuririn with a police uniform and an airbike, I'm looking forward to seeing.

I wonder if they actually said there would be a new form for Freeza, though, or if Greg is simply extrapolating from the "further evolution" thing.

[Lord Beerus]

Look, I know Goku is seen as the heart and soul of Dragon Ball and maybe the way I worded it was not appropriate, so I'll rephrase what I previously said.

You can have a new cast of characters in a Dragon Ball new series and also have the old cast but only in my opinion if they're their in first few arcs or so for the purpose of passing the torch. Look at the premise of Young Justice and Legend Of Korra. If someone told you that a new DC animated show or a sequel to Avatar: The Last Airbender would feature new, young and fresh cast of characters with the most popular original characters only in the background or barely appearing at all, they'd think you would be crazy. "A DC show that barely features Superman and Batman or any of the Justice League? That's gonna flop.", "A sequel to Avatar: The Last Airbender that doesn't feature Aang or any of the original cast that much? That sounds lame." And look what happened to those shows, they ended being critically acclaimed, winning major awards and gaining huge fanbases. I'm not saying throw the old cast away like they're nothing, but transition of the old guard to young blood would help keep Dragon Ball fresh and open new avenues to exploring the Dragon Ball world and universe.

Just my two cents.