The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:45 pm

Cursed Lemon wrote:Future Trunks at the end of the Cell saga vs. kid Trunks after the Buu saga
I think Kid Trunks would win but barely assuming it's all-out, no bounds fight. Future Trunks may be stronger but Kid Trunks seems more skilled unless he gets cocky.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by kuartus4 » Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:00 pm

SSJ3 post Rosat kid Trunks vs Fat Buu

South Kaioshin vs Dabura

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Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:04 pm

kuartus4 wrote:SSJ3 post Rosat kid Trunks vs Fat Buu

South Kaioshin vs Dabura
1. Fat Boo stomps hard, he isn't that far off from SSJ 3 Goku who's almost 2x Kid Trunks

2. Dunno

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:14 pm

kuartus4 wrote:SSJ3 post Rosat kid Trunks vs Fat Buu

South Kaioshin vs Dabura
1. Lard bucket. Trunks has a very slight power advantage, but it doesn't come anywhere close to making up the difference in stamina.

2. South Kaioshin one-shots. He was the majority of the power in Mr. Buu, who could put up a fight against Pure Buu.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hugo Boss » Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:32 pm

kuartus4 wrote:SSJ3 post Rosat kid Trunks vs Fat Buu

South Kaioshin vs Dabura
SS3 Trunks is weaker than SS Gotenks, who is roughly on par with Fat Boo. Boo is too strong for Trunks alone.

South Kaioshin could put a fight against Kid Boo, he can beat Dabra if he is aware of his spit.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Mon Dec 29, 2014 10:14 pm

1. SS2 Goten & Trunks [post] vs. FP Perfect Cell

2. Base Gotenks [post] vs. SS Goku [Cell Games]

3. Healthy SS Goku & Vegeta [Android arc] vs. Future 17 and 18

4. EoZ Pan vs. Base Goku [Cell Games]

5. EoZ SS2 Gogeta vs. Gohan-Buu

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by IDreamtIWasABee » Mon Dec 29, 2014 10:16 pm

Cursed Lemon wrote:Future Trunks at the end of the Cell saga vs. kid Trunks after the Buu saga
Kid Trunks is a bloodstain unless he fuses.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Dec 29, 2014 10:18 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:1. SS2 Goten & Trunks [post] vs. FP Perfect Cell

2. Base Gotenks [post] vs. SS Goku [Cell Games]

3. Healthy SS Goku & Vegeta [Android arc] vs. Future 17 and 18

4. EoZ Pan vs. Base Goku [Cell Games]

5. EoZ SS2 Gogeta vs. Gohan-Buu
They'd be equal to him individually, so together, they'll pose quite a threat. I'll give Cell 50/50 odds, because they do lose stamina at a fast rate, and he might be skilled enough to manage them both.

2. Dunno.

3. The androids. Trunks said that they had no chance against the future androids unless Goku, Vegeta, himself, and Piccolo all fought them together, and this is before he learned that they had infinite stamina.

4. Goku. I don't think EOZ Pan is anywhere near as strong as Goten and Trunks in base, and I think the post-ROSAT base kids are slightly to moderately weaker than base CG Goku.

5. Buu still curb-stomps this overrated piece of shit. The gains between the Buu arc and the "Uub arc" are implied to be very minimal, at least for Goku and Vegeta.
Future Trunks at the end of the Cell saga vs. kid Trunks after the Buu saga
Kid Trunks murders his future counterpart. He has a healthy power advantage, and future Trunks has nothing that could possibly help him overcome it, even if he can put up a fight before he goes down.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by IDreamtIWasABee » Mon Dec 29, 2014 10:23 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:1. SS2 Goten & Trunks [post] vs. FP Perfect Cell
When did they go SSJ2? They were always SSJs. Cell takes this, and without the coy playfulness of Super Boo.
2. Base Gotenks [post] vs. SS Goku [Cell Games]
Probably Goku.
3. Healthy SS Goku & Vegeta [Android arc] vs. Future 17 and 18
Goku and Vegeta put up a Piccolo/17 struggle before Goku ITs them away before the Androids deal the killing blows.
4. EoZ Pan vs. Base Goku [Cell Games]
Pan. By a Trunks-and-Goten-sized margin.
5. EoZ SS2 Gogeta vs. Gohan-Buu
Gogeta.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hugo Boss » Mon Dec 29, 2014 10:26 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:Trunks said that they had no chance against the future androids unless Goku, Vegeta, himself, and Piccolo all fought them together, and this is before he learned that they had infinite stamina.
Wasn't that also before he saw Vegeta fighting No.18? But maybe the androids in the future were still playing around and holding back against Trunks.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Dec 29, 2014 10:27 pm

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RandomGuy96 wrote:Trunks said that they had no chance against the future androids unless Goku, Vegeta, himself, and Piccolo all fought them together, and this is before he learned that they had infinite stamina.
Wasn't that also before he saw Vegeta fighting No.18? But maybe the androids in the future were still playing around and holding back against Trunks.
Yes, but he was fully expecting Vegeta and Goku to be stronger than himself, and he wasn't THAT much weaker than them in the first place. So, if he did underestimate Vegeta, it would have been by a minimal amount.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Post by IDreamtIWasABee » Mon Dec 29, 2014 10:29 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
Future Trunks at the end of the Cell saga vs. kid Trunks after the Buu saga
Kid Trunks murders his future counterpart. He has a healthy power advantage, and future Trunks has nothing that could possibly help him overcome it, even if he can put up a fight before he goes down.
Don't buy it. Kid Trunks was originally on par with the Vegeta who fought 18, and that's being generous. He'd be stronger after training, sure, but the training was focused on fusion.

If it *wasn't*, Kid Trunks might pull a Gohan and catch up to Future Trunks, but he doesn't have much time and, like Gotenks, he's not exactly a serious fighter. plenty of opportunities for Future Trunks to spank him down.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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RandomGuy96 wrote:
Future Trunks at the end of the Cell saga vs. kid Trunks after the Buu saga
Kid Trunks murders his future counterpart. He has a healthy power advantage, and future Trunks has nothing that could possibly help him overcome it, even if he can put up a fight before he goes down.
Don't buy it. Kid Trunks was originally on par with the Vegeta who fought 18, and that's being generous. He'd be stronger after training, sure, but the training was focused on fusion.

If it *wasn't*, Kid Trunks might pull a Gohan and catch up to Future Trunks, but he doesn't have much time and, like Gotenks, he's not exactly a serious fighter. plenty of opportunities for Future Trunks to spank him down.
Incorrect. Unless you can see "the Vegeta that fought 18" making Buu arc Vegeta himself work up a sweat, and make said version of Vegeta panicked enough to punch his son in the face. Or if you think "the Vegeta that fought 18" could scare the shit out of 18 and make her dodge for her life by firing a very suppressed ki blast (even though he didn't; 18 tanked his full power ki blast like air).

He doesn't need to train. He's already stronger than his future counterpart before he ever goes into the ROSAT.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Hugo Boss » Mon Dec 29, 2014 10:38 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
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RandomGuy96 wrote:Trunks said that they had no chance against the future androids unless Goku, Vegeta, himself, and Piccolo all fought them together, and this is before he learned that they had infinite stamina.
Wasn't that also before he saw Vegeta fighting No.18? But maybe the androids in the future were still playing around and holding back against Trunks.
Yes, but he was fully expecting Vegeta and Goku to be stronger than himself, and he wasn't THAT much weaker than them in the first place. So, if he did underestimate Vegeta, it would have been by a minimal amount.
Dunno. Vegeta's performance against No.18 seemed to be out of Trunks' expectations. Trunks even considered he was defeated quite differently from his past experience, since he put a fight against the two of them and in the present not even that.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Mon Dec 29, 2014 10:40 pm

Dunno. Vegeta's performance against No.18 seemed to be out of Trunks' expectations. Trunks even considered he was defeated quite differently from his past experience, since he put a fight against the two of them and in the present not even that.
Like I said, if he did underestimate Vegeta, it would only be by a little bit, since Vegeta wasn't much stronger than him. And he never said anything about being able to put up a fight against the androids.
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dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by singsing » Mon Dec 29, 2014 10:48 pm

When did they go SSJ2? They were always SSJs. Cell takes this, and without the coy playfulness of Super Boo.
This is obviously a hypothetical so they are each twice as strong as normal.

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Post by Hugo Boss » Mon Dec 29, 2014 10:54 pm

RandomGuy96 wrote:
Dunno. Vegeta's performance against No.18 seemed to be out of Trunks' expectations. Trunks even considered he was defeated quite differently from his past experience, since he put a fight against the two of them and in the present not even that.
Like I said, if he did underestimate Vegeta, it would only be by a little bit, since Vegeta wasn't much stronger than him. And he never said anything about being able to put up a fight against the androids.
Trunks said he could fight them both for a while and that they weren't as strong as the present androids.

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Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:11 pm

Goku [50% MSSJ - Cell Games] vs. SSJ Gr 3 Future Trunks
[the power up he did for Karin]

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:20 pm

It's over once Goku uses an IT+Kamehameha combo. If that combo did that to Cell, Future Trunks is toast.

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Post by SSJ2FutureGohan » Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:21 pm

Angelus wrote:It's over once Goku uses an IT+Kamehameha combo. If that combo did that to Cell, Future Trunks is toast.
I was looking more for who is stronger, forget skill/techniques

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