Is Korin a Neko Majin cat?

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Is Korin a Neko Majin cat?

Post by Angelus » Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:52 pm

I mean, aside from the blazer... he does look like one, being a magical cat and all.

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Re: Is Karin a Neko Majin cat?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:10 am

Neko Majin Cat is a bit redundant.
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Re: Is Karin a Neko Majin cat?

Post by Angelus » Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:28 am

Yeah, but not everyone knows that Neko = Cat in Japanese, so I might as well put "cat" in their so that they won't think I'm talking about Babidi's spell.

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Re: Is Karin a Neko Majin cat?

Post by hyperbeing1 » Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:33 am

I always thought he was from a similar race as Beerus due to the fact he is hinted to be from (the afterlife?) and he he does have some magical abilities and has greatly outlived a traditional cat... though then again Akira Toriyama said that the Nekomajin lived on Earth before the humans.

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Post by TTC817 » Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:33 pm

I'm not familiar with Neko Majin, but a lot of the cat characters look similar because I know Toriyama based them off of his own cat.

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Re: Is Karin a Neko Majin cat?

Post by Angelus » Tue Jan 06, 2015 8:56 pm

AT has a cat that looks like Korin?!

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Re: Is Karin a Neko Majin cat?

Post by SSJ God Gogeta » Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:31 pm

Angelus wrote:AT has a cat that looks like Karin?!
Had, he had a cat that looked like Karin, I believe that cat is gone now. His other cat (a Cornish Rex) is what gave him his inspiration for Beerus.
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Post by Jackal puFF » Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:36 pm

Angelus wrote:AT has a cat that looks like Karin?!
Probably looked a lot like this Image

http://i.imgur.com/qxBYHhc.jpg

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:04 pm

Angelus wrote:AT has a cat that looks like Karin?!
Koge, the stray black cat Toriyama picked up one day, causing his assistant so much grief. He had mentioned on the title page of Chapter 150 that he drew Karin based on Koge’s sleeping face. Toriyama’s depiction of Koge herself, however, is basically identical to the black cat often found perched on Dr. Brief’s shoulder.
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Re: Is Karin a Neko Majin cat?

Post by Herms » Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:18 am

The hidden backstory for Karin as explained in the various guides is that he and Mister Popo both originate in the afterlife, but were dispatched to Earth to serve the successive Gods of Earth. This sort of thing is apparently standard throughout the universe, the idea being that the god of each planet should preferably be a local, but these attendants from the afterlife are there to show them the ropes and help out. Long story short, somewhere in the afterlife there is apparently an entire land full of cat people and racist caricatures.

Meanwhile, Neko Majin are...well, probably a native Earth species. Toriyama doesn't quite seem to give a straight answer when asked in his Chouzenshuu 1 interview:
Are the Neko Majin a race originally from Earth?
Naturally, they are a race that has been on Earth since before humans. Among them, there are apparently even those who have been alive since that time. They are frighteningly long-lived, but as they are capricious, they never quite increase in number.
So they've been on Earth since before humans...but I guess we can't rule out the possibility that the Neko Majin on Earth are descended from some of the cat people from the afterlife. Karin might not have been the first afterlife cat to get sent to Earth. He's only about 800, so odds are there was at least one afterlife being serving the same role on Earth before he was born. Maybe somewhere along the line one of these afterlife cats had a family that settled down on the Earth's surface.
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Re: Is Karin a Neko Majin cat?

Post by hyperbeing1 » Sat Jan 10, 2015 12:18 am

hyperbeing1 wrote:I always thought he was from a similar race as Beerus due to the fact he is hinted to be from (the afterlife?) and he he does have some magical abilities and has greatly outlived a traditional cat... though then again Akira Toriyama said that the Nekomajin lived on Earth before the humans.
thanks for the editing who ever did this i can see some of the mistakes i made, but is editing the bills to beerus thing really needed. I know Bills is just a dubbed name, but i grown to like the name better then Beerus.

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Re: Is Karin a Neko Majin cat?

Post by Darkprince410 » Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:53 am

hyperbeing1 wrote: thanks for the editing who ever did this i can see some of the mistakes i made, but is editing the bills to beerus thing really needed. I know Bills is just a dubbed name, but i grown to like the name better then Beerus.
Bills isn't a dub name though. Essentially the character was initially referred to as "Bills" due to a transliteration of his original name, romanized as "Birisu", without preserving either of the original name puns intended for the character. Originally, Beerus's name was going to be based on "virus", but when Toriyama came on board, he saw Beerus's name and thought that his pun was associated with beer, so it was changed around to that. When people over here learned Beerus's original name, before there was any official information on the pun or official English translation of the name given, "Bills" was essentially a translation that sprang up.

Then when the movie came out in Japan, a program guide was also released, and in it, his name was established by the movie's production company, in English, as "Beers". Then, when it was brought over here to the states, the decision was made to name the character Beerus to preserve the spirit of the Japanese name and the puns involved, while still having a unique name that could be searchable.

As such, Beers or Beerus are the official names for the character, and Bills is just the result of a translation that, while technically "correct", goes against the intended name of the character.

For a more complete read-through of Beerus's naming history, I recommend reading this.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:47 am

Unfortunately, it is an "official" dub name though. Just not an English one. There were a couple of places in the EU I believe that went with Bills while dubbing (and a few more in the subs for subbed showings) because it was included in the packet they were sent or whatever.

So while it's incorrect, it will be a bit difficult to fully wipe out.
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hyperbeing1 wrote: thanks for the editing who ever did this i can see some of the mistakes i made, but is editing the bills to beerus thing really needed. I know Bills is just a dubbed name, but i grown to like the name better then Beerus.
Bills isn't a dub name though. Essentially the character was initially referred to as "Bills" due to a transliteration of his original name, romanized as "Birisu", without preserving either of the original name puns intended for the character. Originally, Beerus's name was going to be based on "virus", but when Toriyama came on board, he saw Beerus's name and thought that his pun was associated with beer, so it was changed around to that. When people over here learned Beerus's original name, before there was any official information on the pun or official English translation of the name given, "Bills" was essentially a translation that sprang up.

Then when the movie came out in Japan, a program guide was also released, and in it, his name was established by the movie's production company, in English, as "Beers". Then, when it was brought over here to the states, the decision was made to name the character Beerus to preserve the spirit of the Japanese name and the puns involved, while still having a unique name that could be searchable.

As such, Beers or Beerus are the official names for the character, and Bills is just the result of a translation that, while technically "correct", goes against the intended name of the character.

For a more complete read-through of Beerus's naming history, I recommend reading this.
Thanks for the information, however i am just gonna refer to him as Bills. I just like the name better then Beerus.

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Post by Hitiro » Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:11 pm

hyperbeing1 wrote:Thanks for the information, however i am just gonna refer to him as Bills. I just like the name better then Beerus.
I don't know why you like Bills over Beerus. It sounds like a hillbilly misspelling of the name Bill. All I see is the farmer with the shotgun when I hear that name. Not to mention it is a horrific butchering of the intended meaning of the name. I feel it is highly disrespectful to the person who came up with the character too.

On topic, I thought it was said that Karin and Popo were retainers that came from the afterlife to serve the guardian of the Earth. Considering that the Neko Majin originated on Earth that would mean Karin couldn't possibly be a Neko Majin. Also, Neko Majin are supposed to have extraordinary abilities. But Karin is hardly their level of ability.

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hyperbeing1 wrote:Thanks for the information, however i am just gonna refer to him as Bills. I just like the name better then Beerus.
I don't know why you like Bills over Beerus. It sounds like a hillbilly misspelling of the name Bill. All I see is the farmer with the shotgun when I hear that name. Not to mention it is a horrific butchering of the intended meaning of the name. I feel it is highly disrespectful to the person who came up with the character too.

On topic, I thought it was said that Karin and Popo were retainers that came from the afterlife to serve the guardian of the Earth. Considering that the Neko Majin originated on Earth that would mean Karin couldn't possibly be a Neko Majin. Also, Neko Majin are supposed to have extraordinary abilities. But Karin is hardly their level of ability.
Am i not allowed to have my preferences or am i supposed to like what is deemed the main intent of the name? i cannot change the fact that Beerus is the intended and actual name that is solid ground, but i can have my preference of which name i like.

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Post by Hitiro » Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:48 pm

hyperbeing1 wrote:Am i not allowed to have my preferences or am i supposed to like what is deemed the main intent of the name? i cannot change the fact that Beerus is the intended and actual name that is solid ground, but i can have my preference of which name i like.
I didn't say that. I just don't know why you prefer the heavily butchered translated name. I mean if the name were something like an anagram, or play on words, of Virus. Then I could at least appreciate it. But Bills is just a terrible name in my eyes.

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Re: Is Karin a Neko Majin cat?

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hyperbeing1 wrote:
Hitiro wrote:
hyperbeing1 wrote:Thanks for the information, however i am just gonna refer to him as Bills. I just like the name better then Beerus.
I don't know why you like Bills over Beerus. It sounds like a hillbilly misspelling of the name Bill. All I see is the farmer with the shotgun when I hear that name. Not to mention it is a horrific butchering of the intended meaning of the name. I feel it is highly disrespectful to the person who came up with the character too.

On topic, I thought it was said that Karin and Popo were retainers that came from the afterlife to serve the guardian of the Earth. Considering that the Neko Majin originated on Earth that would mean Karin couldn't possibly be a Neko Majin. Also, Neko Majin are supposed to have extraordinary abilities. But Karin is hardly their level of ability.
Am i not allowed to have my preferences or am i supposed to like what is deemed the main intent of the name? i cannot change the fact that Beerus is the intended and actual name that is solid ground, but i can have my preference of which name i like.
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hyperbeing1 wrote: thanks for the editing who ever did this i can see some of the mistakes i made, but is editing the bills to beerus thing really needed. I know Bills is just a dubbed name, but i grown to like the name better then Beerus.
Bills isn't a dub name though. Essentially the character was initially referred to as "Bills" due to a transliteration of his original name, romanized as "Birisu", without preserving either of the original name puns intended for the character. Originally, Beerus's name was going to be based on "virus", but when Toriyama came on board, he saw Beerus's name and thought that his pun was associated with beer, so it was changed around to that. When people over here learned Beerus's original name, before there was any official information on the pun or official English translation of the name given, "Bills" was essentially a translation that sprang up.

Then when the movie came out in Japan, a program guide was also released, and in it, his name was established by the movie's production company, in English, as "Beers". Then, when it was brought over here to the states, the decision was made to name the character Beerus to preserve the spirit of the Japanese name and the puns involved, while still having a unique name that could be searchable.

As such, Beers or Beerus are the official names for the character, and Bills is just the result of a translation that, while technically "correct", goes against the intended name of the character.

For a more complete read-through of Beerus's naming history, I recommend reading this.
Thanks for the information, however i am just gonna refer to him as Bills. I just like the name better then Beerus.
Thanks for letting us know this, however, I am just going to refer to you as Bob. I like that better than your name.
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Re: Is Karin a Neko Majin cat?

Post by hyperbeing1 » Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:46 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote: Thanks for letting us know this, however, I am just going to refer to you as Bob. I like that better than your name.
Ok you can call me bob if you do not mind i call you betty boop. Though i do not see the comparison of this and the whole beerus and bills thing.With the beerus and bills thing it is reffering to a fake character who while i admit bills is a butchered version of his name i just find it more humorous. where as for me i am a a real person who does not see why me calling beerus bills is such a huge thing i mean i know i am debating about a manga which has very little implications on real life, but is a name so critical to you that you gotta come and call me bob or something. Well Betty Boop you can call me Bob if you wish as long as you understand its mr Bob.

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