The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

But didn't they transform, which led to #18 recognizing them?

Yeah but they didn't actually fight after that, only this happened:

Spoiler:

Chapter: 453 (DBZ 259), P12.4, P13.1

Context: after Trunks’ ki blast explodes

No.18: “Yo-you’ve got to be kidding…That energy bullet had absolutely incredible speed and destructive power…Co-could it be that those squirts have outrageous power?…This is dangerous! I’ve got to settle this fight soon!”

[Angelus]

Oh. ohh..

Well, looks like I missed out on that tiny detail. I retract my statements then. lol

[singsing]

But she was still pretty certain she could win against those guys. That statement to me just sounds like they're stronger than she expected, but still not strong enough to actually beat her.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Saying Goten or Trunks can't beat No.18 is like saying Teen Gohan couldn't beat 18.

Seriously, why does everyone nerf the kids so much?

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

A couple more for the road....

1. Guldo VS. Babidi

2. Turles [Pre-Fruit] VS. Recoome

3. Namek Saga Goku [Kaioken X2] VS. [Post Zenkai] Vegeta [Ginyu Saga]

4. [Post Zenkai] Kid Gohan [Frieza battle] VS. Vegeta [Ginyu Saga]
(Not enraged)

5. Piccolo [Namek Pre-Fusion] VS. Lord Slug [Youth Restored]

6. Piccolo [End of Z] VS. Ultra SSJ Future Trunks

Oh. ohh..

Well, looks like I missed out on that tiny detail. I retract my statements then. lol

And here's some evening match ups before I hit the sack:

Future Android 17 VS present Android 18

Ranfan VS Colonel Silver
[No stripping]

End of Z SSJ Trunks VS Cell Games MSSJ/FPSSJ Enraged Gohan

Porunga (bloodlusted) VS King Piccolo (Youth Restored)
[No attacking/disarranging the Namekian Dragon Balls. Can King Piccolo pull off a kill like he did with Shenron?]

Yakon VS SSJ Future Trunks (Post 1st-day ROSAT)
[No light eating]

former versus:

Spoiler:

Mystic Gohan VS Kamiccolo + Buu Saga Vegeta Potara Fusion, Buu Saga Goku + Tenshinhan Potara Fusion, and Kibito Kai
[They fuse while at base. "Vegiccolo" turns SSJ2 and "Tienku" turns SSJ3 afterwards. No paralysis magic.]

21st WMAT Jackie Chun VS Nam, Giran, and Bacterian
[No Kamehameha]

1. Since I have both Future Androids half as weak as the present Androids, #18 beats Future #17 with 1 ki blast.

2. Ranfan, unfortunately. Most 21st Budokai contestants can give Silver a run for his money. He was nothing compared to General Blue.

3. No idea. I personally would like to believe Trunks got weaker years later, as did Gohan and Goten. The only characters who are serious with their training are Goku and Vegeta. Cell Games Gohan wins.

4. We have no idea how strong Porunga is. I'll just say Porunga tanks his ki blasts, and eats King Piccolo.

5. I assume you mean SSJ Future Trunks from before his Hyperbolic Time Chamber training? Yakon stomps him. If 800 Kiri = 800,000,000, definitely stronger than someone who is way below 300,000,000.

6. These fusions won't do a whole lot to their power, at least not at the kind of level we saw Vegetto. A better match up might be Ultimate Gohan VS. Base Vegetto!

7. If that's a 4 way fight between 21st WMAT Roshi and them at the same time, might be a bit difficult. Especially if Giran throws in 1 or 2 surprise attacks, I can see a ring out happening here.

[DBZAOTA482]

A couple more for the road....

1. Guldo VS. Babidi

2. Tullece [Pre-Fruit] VS. Recoome

3. Namek Saga Goku [Kaioken X2] VS. [Post Zenkai] Vegeta [Ginyu Saga]

4. [Post Zenkai] Kid Gohan [Freeza battle] VS. Vegeta [Ginyu Saga]
(Not enraged)

5. Piccolo [Namek Pre-Fusion] VS. Lord Slug [Youth Restored]

6. Piccolo [End of Z] VS. Ultra SSJ Future Trunks

1. Babidi. His magic and telekinesis is far more powerful than anything Gurd can dish out.

2. Reacoom. Goku actually gave Tullece trouble before eating the fruit and that Goku was based on the one from the Saiyan Saga.

3. Goku wins, easily. Kaio-ken x2 is the highest recommended and he can easily stomp Vegeta even without it.

4. Gohan wins fairly easily, unless Vegeta thinks up some real intricate strategy and lasts longer.

5. Lord Slug.

6. Piccolo wins easily. USSJ Future Trunks is just too slow.

Saying Goten or Trunks can't beat No.18 is like saying Teen Gohan couldn't beat 18.

Seriously, why does everyone nerf the kids so much?

Maybe because they basically got their powers handed to them like free candy?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Maybe because they basically got their powers handed to them like free candy?

Yeah they did, but no one gives them the credit they deserve. I've literally see someone put Goten at like half of namek Goku's level

[Angelus]

A couple more for the road....

... another 6 on top of a new set of versus? That's an overload.

Well, you can take this page, I'll just post my set on another day. Best edit out your answers, to my original post, from your post. Thanks!

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

2. Reacoom. Goku actually gave Tullece trouble before eating the fruit and that Goku was based on the one from the Saiyan Saga.

His scouter read "over 30,000" before Goku used Kaioken. I assume that's what his base was. Probably some big zenkai Toei had planned after the Saiyan Saga for their movies.

So I figured Tullece was around 35,000.

[Angelus]

Maybe because they basically got their powers handed to them like free candy?

Yeah they did, but no one gives them the credit they deserve. I've literally see someone put Goten at like half of namek Goku's level

I actually thought back then, that those kids would be at about Namek SSJ Goku's level.

[singsing]

Saying Goten or Trunks can't beat No.18 is like saying Teen Gohan couldn't beat 18.

Seriously, why does everyone nerf the kids so much?

Because opinions and viewpoints and perspective and preference.

[Angelus]

I think it's mostly difficult to grasp that these kids are anywhere near Cell Games SSJ levels because we have seen how difficult it is to get to that level, let alone transform. That's why people rank the kids as being weak SSJs.

[RandomGuy96]

1. Guldo VS. Babidi

2. Tullece [Pre-Fruit] VS. Recoome

3. Namek Saga Goku [Kaioken X2] VS. [Post Zenkai] Vegeta [Ginyu Saga]

4. [Post Zenkai] Kid Gohan [Freeza battle] VS. Vegeta [Ginyu Saga]
(Not enraged)

5. Piccolo [Namek Pre-Fusion] VS. Lord Slug [Youth Restored]

6. Piccolo [End of Z] VS. Ultra SSJ Future Trunks

1. Babidi mind controls Guldo. If Dabra couldn't resist it, Guldo has no chance.

2. I think pre-fruit Tullece is basically the movie's version of Vegeta when he fought Recoome, judging by the power levels. So, it goes the same way it did there.

3. Uh, Goku? Vegeta was pretty clear about the fact that even base Goku was much stronger than him.

4. Gohan stomps.

5. Old Slug murder stomps. Giant young slug was supposed to be considerably stronger than Freeza.

6. The buff one? Even Buu arc Piccolo can take this. I think that Piccolo is roughly equal to the suppressed Cell that beat up Vegeta and was able to out-speed and outlast SSG3 Trunks.

Future Android 17 VS present Android 18

Ranfan VS Colonel Silver
[No stripping]

End of Z SSJ Trunks VS Cell Games MSSJ/FPSSJ Enraged Gohan

Porunga (bloodlusted) VS King Piccolo (Youth Restored)
[No attacking/disarranging the Namekian Dragon Balls. Can King Piccolo pull off a kill like he did with Shenron?]

Yakon VS SSJ Future Trunks (Post 1st-day ROSAT)
[No light eating]

1. I don't think there's any noticeable difference between 18 and 17, while there is a somewhat noticeably difference between future 17 and present 17. 18 wins after a hard fight.

2. Ranfan could at least hurt Nam with her punches. Silver was an ordinary human, from what we saw. Silver could win if he has his rocket launcher (or just a rifle), but otherwise...

3. Gohan murder-stomps. SS Gohan in the Buu arc is equal to SS Gohan at the Cell Games, and he was much stronger than Goten and Trunks (though not dimensions above them).

4. It depends on how strong his creator is. In general, though, Porunga has more impressive feats given he was able to restore an entire planet, while Piccolo could only destroy a city.

5. Yakon was barely stronger than base Goku. Pre-ROSAT SS Trunks turns him into cold cuts.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Unweighted Kamiccolo vs. East Kaioshin

[Super SaiyaJon]

Unweighted Kamiccolo vs. East Kaioshin

Kaioshin godstomps. In the manga, Piccolo says that Kaioshin is way out of his leage.

[Angelus]

Same outcome, scared Piccolo.

[Future Reese]

Saying Goten or Trunks can't beat No.18 is like saying Teen Gohan couldn't beat 18.

Seriously, why does everyone nerf the kids so much?

Because seeing as other fighters achive their power by hard workout the kids abilities look like cheap plot device. Hell, I do not even understand how young Future Trunks can be so dwarfed by his Buu saga counterpart, that is literally the same person.

[Angelus]

Yeah, personally, I always thought that Future Trunks was always more powerful than present Trunks and it was further supplemented by a DBM (I know, it's silly because it's a Dojinshi) panel showing End of Z Trunks talking to Future Trunks. Present Trunks was talking about how he fires people and stares at his secretary at Capsule Corp while Future Trunks talks about rebuilding his world.

[DBZAOTA482]

Maybe because they basically got their powers handed to them like free candy?

Yeah they did, but no one gives them the credit they deserve. I've literally see someone put Goten at like half of namek Goku's level

I'd say they're around Cyborg Saga Vegeta pre-ROSAT.

[Angelus]

That would be where most people put their level at fairly. I still find it difficult to believe that they're MSSJ/FPSSJs because they never trained by being SSJs the entire time for days on end. But based on people claims with #18 and Piccolo's statements, I can see why they're ranked as almost even with the Cell Games SSJs.