When King Kai told Goku he shouldn't talk about Lord Beerus, we see Goku attempting to IT to Supreme Kai and Elder Kai. But then King Kai stopped him from doing so. They're gods too. And those 2 gods don't have any pet monkeys around!Super Saiyan Turlast x4 wrote:Maybe he can sense Kaio because he's a "lesser" deity compared to Kaioshin and Beerus?
Or maybe Goku sensed Bubbles to get to Kaio's planet
Still, if that's how he's been teleporting to Kaio's all this time, you'd think he would have already picked up on the fact that he can't sense gods' ki. I guess you could write it off as typical Goku stupidity...and it is notable that when Goku first arrived at Kaio's planet back in the Saiyan arc, at first he mistakes Bubbles for Kaio, then when Kaio himself shows up he goes "who the heck are you?" Apparently he can't use his ki-sensing skills to determine which of these two life-forms is the big powerful god he's come to train under, and which is just some monkey (a super strong, super fast monkey that can survive on a planet with ten times Earth's gravity, but still, presumably Kaio's much stronger than Bubbles). So maybe we can take that as a sign that Goku's never been able to sense Kaio's ki, but never really thought about it before the events of BoG. On the other hand, Goku's ki-sensing skills are still pretty primitive in the early Saiyan arc. He can't sense Raditz's ki until Raditz is very close, and even though he can tell Raditz is strong, he's still surprised at just how strong Raditz is when they actually fight. So in that light, Goku not being able to tell right off the bat that Kaio is the martial arts master god guy he's looking for may just be a sign that his ki sensing skills are still fairly undeveloped at that point. I mean, it's a safe bet that Toriyama had no inkling of this "gods have high quality ki that Goku and co. can't sense" idea before writing BoG, so any attempt to fit it in to the main series is just retroactive rationalization.Marco Polo wrote:He sensed the King Kai's planet. King Kai himself said that there is ki in every living being, including grass and trees (but excluding gods apparently). We even see Goku getting ki from grass when learning the Genki Dama.
"You think of a person, not a place. Then you find his Chi...So you can't go some place where there isn't anyone you know."
I think Goku can sense King Kai's and Supreme Kai's battle power, so he is able to IT to them. It was stated Kais and Supreme Kais(Kaioshins) are the Gods of Creation. So they do not have any Godly Destructive Power, just because the God Of Destruction has the permit to destroy, they must create, and musn't destroy. As King Kai was stated to be not only a knowledgeable God, but Martial Arts Master too, He has a normal Battle power attained by training which he has done in the past. Kaioshins, on the other hand, are born with very high battle power, in order to protect their creations from lower beings, who do not have rights to destory them.Zephyr wrote:Can he not have both mortal and godly ki?
Maybe every being by default has normal ki, and upon becoming a deity are granted godly ki on top of it.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
That's not the same? Not to mention that in Jap dub Krillin says that Goku's power/presence did disappear.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:When Goku became a God, Kuririn said that he couldn't tell how strong Goku is, not that he couldn't sense his presence. So, I guess he can sense Kaio's ki, but he can't measure his power.
No, Kuririn said that he couldn't measure Goku's battle power.Low Tone G wrote:That's not the same? Not to mention that in Jap dub Krillin says that Goku's power/presence did disappear.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:When Goku became a God, Kuririn said that he couldn't tell how strong Goku is, not that he couldn't sense his presence. So, I guess he can sense Kaio's ki, but he can't measure his power.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Oh, sorry, I did not know... In a sub I've read Krillin that Goku power disapppeared.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:No, Kuririn said that he couldn't measure Goku's battle power.Low Tone G wrote:That's not the same? Not to mention that in Jap dub Krillin says that Goku's power/presence did disappear.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:When Goku became a God, Kuririn said that he couldn't tell how strong Goku is, not that he couldn't sense his presence. So, I guess he can sense Kaio's ki, but he can't measure his power.
(Don't say "Jap"! It's offensive! Use Jpn for short!)
My subs say "I can't even tell what Goku's battle power is!".Low Tone G wrote:Oh, sorry, I did not know... In a sub I've read Krillin that Goku power disapppeared.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
