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Re: Where would you have ended the series?

Post by landoku » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:02 pm

Totally agree with the OP, if I had to choose it should have ended with Goku becoming the Super Saiyan of legend, taking Freeza out and then dying.

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Re: Where would you have ended the series?

Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:27 pm

I'm not liking the Gohan one shot Boo endings. They just feel really boring. It'd be much better if you just cut out everything past Gotenks Boo to change things. Just have Gotenks Boo be permanent rather than timed, and have Gohan close to his power whether slightly stronger or weaker. The conundrum from their bout would come from the fact that if Gohan wins he kills Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo so he can't just finish off Boo fast and make up for his Cell mistake. Have Dende be killed by Boo instead of saved by Popo and have the Namek balls out of commission for some reason.
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Re: Where would you have ended the series?

Post by ABED » Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:53 pm

landoku wrote:Totally agree with the OP, if I had to choose it should have ended with Goku becoming the Super Saiyan of legend, taking Freeza out and then dying.
Why does he have to die?
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Re: Where would you have ended the series?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:18 pm

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landoku wrote:Totally agree with the OP, if I had to choose it should have ended with Goku becoming the Super Saiyan of legend, taking Freeza out and then dying.
Why does he have to die?
He deserves to die. :P
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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Re: Where would you have ended the series?

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landoku wrote:Totally agree with the OP, if I had to choose it should have ended with Goku becoming the Super Saiyan of legend, taking Freeza out and then dying.
Why does he have to die?
He deserves to die. :P
After abandoning his wife to get sweaty with Freeza, he kind of deserved to die.

I would have ended the series with Goku chopping some trees down somewhere along episode 1.

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Re: Where would you have ended the series?

Post by ABED » Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:21 pm

After abandoning his wife to get sweaty with Freeza, he kind of deserved to die.
I hope you're being facetious.
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landoku wrote:Totally agree with the OP, if I had to choose it should have ended with Goku becoming the Super Saiyan of legend, taking Freeza out and then dying.
Why does he have to die?
He deserves to die. :P
How do you figure?
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Re: Where would you have ended the series?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:28 pm

ABED wrote:How do you figure?
You realize I'm joking, right?
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Where would you have ended the series?

Post by jjgp1112 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:39 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:I'm not liking the Gohan one shot Boo endings. They just feel really boring. It'd be much better if you just cut out everything past Gotenks Boo to change things. Just have Gotenks Boo be permanent rather than timed, and have Gohan close to his power whether slightly stronger or weaker. The conundrum from their bout would come from the fact that if Gohan wins he kills Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo so he can't just finish off Boo fast and make up for his Cell mistake. Have Dende be killed by Boo instead of saved by Popo and have the Namek balls out of commission for some reason.
Why do people love these absolutely downtrodden, apocalyptic endings? I can't think of a single person that would be satisfied by an ending where Gohan wins but literally everybody in the entire universe that matters to him is dead with no way of bringing them back. That sucks, especially for a show like Dragon Ball.
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Re: Where would you have ended the series?

Post by UpFromTheSkies » Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:44 pm

I wouldn't have ended the series, but there are two points in the series where I feel it could have ended and felt satisfying and complete, which were the defeat of Piccolo, and then the defeat of Freeza.

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Re: Where would you have ended the series?

Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 9:48 pm

DIS YEAR J00 GAIZ!

But seriously, I love the 3 endings we've gotten (Orinal Manga ending,Kanzenban ending,GT Ending) and I wouldnt change a thinga about them. So I'm happy it ended when it did,

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Re: Where would you have ended the series?

Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:28 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:I'm not liking the Gohan one shot Boo endings. They just feel really boring. It'd be much better if you just cut out everything past Gotenks Boo to change things. Just have Gotenks Boo be permanent rather than timed, and have Gohan close to his power whether slightly stronger or weaker. The conundrum from their bout would come from the fact that if Gohan wins he kills Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo so he can't just finish off Boo fast and make up for his Cell mistake. Have Dende be killed by Boo instead of saved by Popo and have the Namek balls out of commission for some reason.
Why do people love these absolutely downtrodden, apocalyptic endings? I can't think of a single person that would be satisfied by an ending where Gohan wins but literally everybody in the entire universe that matters to him is dead with no way of bringing them back. That sucks, especially for a show like Dragon Ball.
I don't think it's so bad. I was thinking of Goku getting absorbed, but in reality he'd be saving everyone inside Boo while the fight goes on outside. I just added stakes cause if the DB's are around then you could just revive everyone without the need of conflict. Besides apocalyptic? You know everyone on earth was killed right? We didn't even know Dende survived until Gohan pointed it out. So really nothing would change much from everything we knew pre-Gohan showing up.

Besides my real core ending I thought of was to have Gohan and maybe Gotenks fight Boo while Goku powers up the Genki-Dama. That way we get the same ending with the people of earth contributing to stopping Boo, and Gohan/Gotenks won't be totally screwed over.
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Re: Where would you have ended the series?

Post by ABED » Wed Jan 21, 2015 11:48 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:
ABED wrote:How do you figure?
You realize I'm joking, right?
No way to tell from what you wrote. Tone is difficult to convey with a message like that.
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Re: Where would you have ended the series?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:23 am

ABED wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote:
ABED wrote:How do you figure?
You realize I'm joking, right?
No way to tell from what you wrote. Tone is difficult to convey with a message like that.
So the "tongue in cheek" emoticon isn't indication?
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Where would you have ended the series?

Post by EXBadguy » Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:08 pm

If I wanted to end the series with the Frieza saga, I'd have Goku kill Frieza, THEN have Goku just standing in the air, smiling and say "I have nowhere to go from here. It was a long journey, but I think it's time for me to go. Gohan...tell your wife I love her" and then the whole planet explodes, leaving Goku sacrificing himself. To me that'd be the GREATEST noble sacrifice of all time. Then later have the very end of the saga be like the end of the Cell saga.

But too bad Toriyama didn't do that, like if he was gonna end it there by Goku accidentally caught in the explosion, then that'd ruin the whole series for me.
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Re: Where would you have ended the series?

Post by rereboy » Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:24 pm

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But too bad Toriyama didn't do that, like if he was gonna end it there by Goku accidentally caught in the explosion, then that'd ruin the whole series for me.
Goku with a suicide wish is better?

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Re: Where would you have ended the series?

Post by ABED » Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:02 pm

So the "tongue in cheek" emoticon isn't indication?
It just looks like a happy face to me.
EXBadguy wrote:If I wanted to end the series with the Freeza saga, I'd have Goku kill Freeza, THEN have Goku just standing in the air, smiling and say "I have nowhere to go from here. It was a long journey, but I think it's time for me to go. Gohan...tell your wife I love her" and then the whole planet explodes, leaving Goku sacrificing himself. To me that'd be the GREATEST noble sacrifice of all time. Then later have the very end of the saga be like the end of the Cell saga.

But too bad Toriyama didn't do that, like if he was gonna end it there by Goku accidentally caught in the explosion, then that'd ruin the whole series for me.
How does him resigning himself to his fate make it noble? How does it change anything fundamentally from how Toriyama wrote it?
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Re: Where would you have ended the series?

Post by DBZfan29 » Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:25 pm

After the Cell Games would have been the perfect place to end it. With Goku dead, this time for good (or at least until he wanted to come back), it was an appropriate type of ending. The series would look to Gohan and Goku's friends to continue, which is really cool because it would give readers and viewers hope that it one day might continue (that's the greatest feeling in the world!). I'd do what Kai did, making the finale about Trunks correcting his timeline, though I would only make it a few minutes long. I think if we showed the return of Goku from the beginning of the Buu arc, it would be a pretty awesome epilogue scene. Of course, they would just be fighting for fun and nothing that actually happened would happen.
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Re: Where would you have ended the series?

Post by Dayspring » Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:43 pm

I'd actually not have ended it at all for another storyarc or two, only this time downgrading the "OH MY GOD! UNIVERSE IN PERIL!" motif. The reason being that each storyline is about Goku's growth in some form or other.

First story arc (Pilaf era): Making friends. Goku learns to trust other people and that strength and fun can come from them.
Second story arc (21st budokai): Goku becomes the strongest kid in the world.
Third story arc (Red Ribbon): Goku learns to train himself and how to seek out other masters.
Fourth story arc (22nd budokai): Goku becomes the strongest disciple in the world.
Fifth story arc (Piccolo Daimao): Goku learns what evil is and that it must+can be overcome.
Sixth story arc (23rd budokai): Goku becomes the strongest person in the world.
Seventh story arc (Saiyan+Freeza): Goku becomes the strongest person in the universe.
Sixth story arc (Androids+Cell): Goku learns it's ok to not be the strongest person in existence. Gohan becomes the strongest person in existence (natural or unnatural).
Seventh story arc (Buu): Goku begins understanding that it's better to help other people stand on their own feet than it is to rule from overpowering their obstacles for them.
Epilogue arc (28th budokai): We see that Goku is refining his abilities as a teacher figure. Where he failed with Gohan (recall that he never told Gohan his plan about Cell and also wasn't all that helpful in showing him how to become that powerful) and with Goten and Trunks (their fusion training was only viable thanks to Piccolo being a better teacher and even that resulted in a reckless Gotenks), we see he's in the process of succeeding with Pan and will succeed with Uub.

I would have preferred to have seen more of Goku's time in the role of a teacher and then depending how that played out, I would have wanted things to end with the 29th budokai being a classic budokai like the first three that we saw, this one ending with Vegeta and Goku losing and both being okay with it.
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Re: Where would you have ended the series?

Post by sbk » Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:00 pm

Let the 25th Tenkaichi actually play out and just end it there.

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Re: Where would you have ended the series?

Post by Dayspring » Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:43 pm

sbk wrote:Let the 25th Tenkaichi actually play out and just end it there.
That could have been an interesting ending. Everybody gets their last goodbyes with Goku, the Goku/Vegeta rivalry finally reaches its resolution, the story ends with Goku being the strongest and the torch has been successfully passed to Gohan.
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