It's my opinion. Bias would be me saying Present Trunks had better attacks or played a more important role. Me being entertained by Trunks (present) more than Future Trunks isn't bias at all.
It's my opinion. Bias would be me saying Present Trunks had better attacks or played a more important role. Me being entertained by Trunks (present) more than Future Trunks isn't bias at all.
I don't get what you're saying. Entertainment is generally something that is very biased because its something that can't be explicitly calculated and varies between people.
It's my opinion. Bias would be me saying Present Trunks had better attacks or played a more important role. Me being entertained by Trunks (present) more than Future Trunks isn't bias at all.
Entertainment is generally something that is very biased because its something that can't be explicitly calculated and varies between people. So I don't get what you mean.
Bias is basically the corruption of logic or reason due to subjective reasons. Its basically a prejudice that affect impartial judgment.
Like he stated correctly, he would be biased if he was claiming that Trunks had a more important role just because he likes him more.
However, preferring a character to another, is not a bias, its simply opinion.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
rereboy wrote:
Bias is basically the corruption of logic or reason due to subjective reasons. Its basically a prejudice that affect impartial judgment.
Like he stated correctly, he would be biased if he was claiming that Trunks had a more important role just because he likes him more.
However, preferring a character to another, is not a bias, its simply opinion.
I guess I just misread the post then. I read it as him saying that he would be biased if he was saying Trunks had a better attacks or played a more important role, not out of personal preference rather for some other reason which I took as just saying because of factors x, y, and z. Which could arguably be considered not biased as he would then be giving specific concrete details as to why he believed what he believed.
I also read his other statement of him favoring (being more entertained by) Trunks over future Trunks as him saying there was no bias at all. However we can clearly see that given that he does favor Trunks over future Trunks that there would be bias for Trunks over future Trunks.
Basically I read GmGoken's post as saying that to make an argument regarding concrete details is biased whereas to favor one character over the other shows no bias. Anyways, my mistake. I still do ultimately disagree that favoring one character over another is still bias of some kind. But I suppose my connotation of bias is just different from yours and GmGoken's which I suppose is perfectly fine in its own context.
Well anyways, I feel I've gone way off topic regarding this case so I will apologize for that.
I can kind of see where people are getting a certain vibe from that pic, but at the same time...let's not forget this is clearly from the same movie where Trunks moons the guy, and Goten peed on him (or was that Trunks too? I forget). The face is definitely kinda creepy - but it IS Broly... - but the anger mark on the arm almost seems to suggest more that he's about to spank them, or something.
Just my two cents on how it might not be as creepy as it looks, anyway.
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Gyt Kaliba wrote:I can kind of see where people are getting a certain vibe from that pic, but at the same time...let's not forget this is clearly from the same movie where Trunks moons the guy, and Goten peed on him (or was that Trunks too? I forget). The face is definitely kinda creepy - but it IS Broly... - but the anger mark on the arm almost seems to suggest more that he's about to spank them, or something.
Just my two cents on how it might not be as creepy as it looks, anyway.
It was Trunks both times.
Broly just wants to play with the boys, he had a sad childhood. He is a poor gentle soul who speaks out to Kakarotto, the only person who was around him at the time. Why can't Goku just say he's sorry. He can't apologize to this sweet intellectual.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Gyt Kaliba wrote:I can kind of see where people are getting a certain vibe from that pic, but at the same time...let's not forget this is clearly from the same movie where Trunks moons the guy, and Goten peed on him (or was that Trunks too? I forget). The face is definitely kinda creepy - but it IS Broly... - but the anger mark on the arm almost seems to suggest more that he's about to spank them, or something.
Just my two cents on how it might not be as creepy as it looks, anyway.
It was Trunks both times.
Broly just wants to play with the boys, he had a sad childhood. He is a poor gentle soul who speaks out to Kakarotto, the only person who was around him at the time. Why can't Goku just say he's sorry. He can't apologize to this sweet intellectual.
It's a bit tragic really. And to all the poor misinformed fools out there who say Broly is an idiot, then just watch this. That video is clearly the most canon and approved interpretation of Toriyama's artistic vision for Broli and even Dragon Ball. Broly speaks with such utter grace and elegance there. It's clear that is the true Broly.
"I will literally dress as Goku and walk around jumping up and down, pretending to fly, in public if this ever gets an official release"
Gyt Kaliba wrote:I can kind of see where people are getting a certain vibe from that pic, but at the same time...let's not forget this is clearly from the same movie where Trunks moons the guy, and Goten peed on him (or was that Trunks too? I forget). The face is definitely kinda creepy - but it IS Broly... - but the anger mark on the arm almost seems to suggest more that he's about to spank them, or something.
Just my two cents on how it might not be as creepy as it looks, anyway.
It was Trunks both times.
Broly just wants to play with the boys, he had a sad childhood. He is a poor gentle soul who speaks out to Kakarotto, the only person who was around him at the time. Why can't Goku just say he's sorry. He can't apologize to this sweet intellectual.
It's a bit tragic really. And to all the poor misinformed fools out there who say Broly is an idiot, then just watch this. That video is clearly the most canon and approved interpretation of Toriyama's artistic vision for Broli and even Dragon Ball. Broly speaks with such utter grace and elegance there. It's clear that is the true Broly.
Such an etiquette fluent vocal pattern. Truly the voice of a poet. Even Trunks himself had to agree with this sincere intellectual. Truly Broly has been realized. Let the people cast away the hatred an understand the real Broly, the one who has the deepest story and motivation compared to all characters.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
This is just mean. Goku may be insensitive but it's because he doesn't know any better. Not out of malice or spite.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Not all jokes have hidden agendas, you know... Just because there's a joke about Goku being a deadbeat husband, it doesn't mean that whoever made it actually thinks so.
Lord Beerus wrote:This is just mean. Goku may be insensitive but it's because he doesn't know any better. Not out of malice or spite.
Relax. Obviously whoever created this has a limited view on who Goku really is and is just trying their best to be funny... which he isn't.
But it sure is interesting.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
I'm sure the DBZ Network would be more successful than WWE Network(Vince...you out of touch bastard )
But Vegeta dropped way pipebombs than Punk ever did. And Cena is much more like Superman than Goku ever was!
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
I thought he was one of the most developed characters in the show.
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