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End of Z Goku vs End of Z Vegeta. However they are only allowed the techniques and transformations they had in their first battle in saiyan saga.
Any reasons? I think so as well, but it wouldn't be an easy clear cut answer. Iceman is basically immortal as long as there's water on the planet. Freeza blows up the planet but otherwise Iceman can't die, and Freeza doesn't know that. Could Freeza survive absolute zero?
Freeza can survive in space for a very significant time even with no Ki and his body blown up. Its not easy to lose heat in space because there is nothing to conduct the heat, but something that stays a while there, will lose it and then the temperature of space is as close to absolute zero as it gets. And Freeza survives it.
So... Iceman has nothing on Freeza. He would have more chances against Goku than Freeza, even if Goku is much stronger, because at least Goku might be affected by cold.
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:If movie 14 is canon: Goku finger flicks
Remember there's a movie 15 coming out, and if that squigly sign on their new duds is any indication, then Goku and Vegeta were practice mates durring this time frame. So one could say including the two new films Goku and Vegeta probably more or less even at the end of the series.
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rereboy wrote:
Freeza can survive in space for a very significant time even with no Ki and his body blown up. Its not easy to lose heat in space because there is nothing to conduct the heat, but something that stays a while there, will lose it and then the temperature of space is as close to absolute zero as it gets. And Freeza survives it.
So... Iceman has nothing on Freeza. He would have more chances against Goku than Freeza, even if Goku is much stronger, because at least Goku might be affected by cold.
Yea, but Iceman can literally create absolute zero, even if it theoretically doesn't exist in our universe, so I'm wondering how he'd hold up against it...
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Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
But you do know Pan > Buuhan by the Baby arc right?
But Pan's not Goku. She's not allowed to do anything cool.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
I don't see Bobby winning unless he touches Freeza and turns his brain into total ice. Iceman can be pretty strong at full power since he can freeze the whole planet at absolute zero but he lacks the speed of most DBZ characters.
Hugo Boss wrote:I have Pan about as strong as Piccolo before merging with Kami. SS3 Gogeta [Boo Arc] could be about as strong as SS4 Goku [Baby Arc].
Pan knocked down Rildo (wasn't a surprise attack) and he's stronger than Buuhan...
That's the power of plot.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Still a legitimate feat. We also can't forget Trunks saying that Pan's even stronger than him, and GT Trunks >>> Z Trunks >>>>> Android arc Piccolo
Still doesn't mean she's gonna win. She still loses virtue of being from GTa.k.a Goku Time.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
Good fight. Id still wager that Gogeta would win, as I don't think Pan is actually stronger than Boohan by any means. She's probably in Gogeta's tier at best, meaning she'd lose due to skill.
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Still a legitimate feat. We also can't forget Trunks saying that Pan's even stronger than him, and GT Trunks >>> Z Trunks >>>>> Android arc Piccolo
Still doesn't mean she's gonna win. She still loses virtue of being from GT a.k.a Goku Time.
That's kind of a shallow move...So she isn't allowed to win cause she is from something you don't like? Even with the mountain of evidence that puts her in Gogeta's tier?
I say Gogeta wins but only after a long battle. Pan has the raw talent and power but Gogeta has the experience and skill of both Goku and Vegeta!
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Desert Bandit Yamcha VS Pre Z Yajirobe in a battle of swordsmanship! Due to the period this means No flying, ki blasts or powering up. Just a duel of blades.
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SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Still a legitimate feat. We also can't forget Trunks saying that Pan's even stronger than him, and GT Trunks >>> Z Trunks >>>>> Android arc Piccolo
Still doesn't mean she's gonna win. She still loses virtue of being from GT a.k.a Goku Time.
That's kind of a shallow move...So she isn't allowed to win cause she is from something you don't like?
It's not because I don't like GT. It's because her winning means she has the spotlight which GT has solely focused on Goku.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
She was still useless, though. She's like Sakura Haruno; constantly appears and has potential yet offers nothing meaningful to the plot in the long run.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
Freeza wins.
