Did Buu recognize Vegeta here?

SSJ2FutureGohan · Post by **SSJ2FutureGohan** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:08 am

Spoiler:

This somewhat links together with my last thread. Do you think it's possible Buu recognized it was Vegeta when he said this?

I'll try to word this right. Buu retained his memories of being Fat Buu, and to his knowledge Vegeta should be dead. When Buu sees Vegeta here, he doesn't seem shocked.

You'd think if he wasn't expecting Vegeta, that he'd be shocked to see him there, since he thought Vegeta was dead.

Do you think it's possible? He does have Goten/Trunks/Gohan/Piccolo absorbed, so he could just recognize Vegeta by ki signal possibly.

Saiga · Post by **Saiga** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:18 am

Nothing in that page indicates to me that he recognised Vegeta. He just sensed another large ki.

SSJ2FutureGohan · Post by **SSJ2FutureGohan** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:20 am

But why wasn't he shocked by the fact that it was Vegeta? If he didn't think it was Vegeta don't you think he'd atleast be puzzled by the fact that someone he thought was dead was floating right there?

There's also the fact that Buu has man's son in him, and 3 other people who have been around him for years, it wouldn't be irrational for Buu to know it's Vegeta.

SSJ2FutureGohan · Post by **SSJ2FutureGohan** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:03 am

Also, side note:

Chapter: 503 (DBZ 309), P9.2
Context: As Goku heads to Vegeta with the Potara.
Boo: “Now there’s another human with great power! But naturally he’s no match for me, even if they merged!”

Buu knew it was a guy

Saiga · Post by **Saiga** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:15 am

You're still talking about an English translation. It's quite possible the Japanese lacks anything to determine Vegeta's gender, from what I know of Japanese language it doesn't use gendered pronouns like English does.

Boo shows absolutely no reaction to Vegeta to say how he feels about it, he is just more concerned with preventing the fusion. Maybe he doesn't even remember Vegeta.

SSJ2FutureGohan · Post by **SSJ2FutureGohan** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:21 am

That quote I posted was from herms. Buu wasn't trying to stop the fusion, he was only going to kill Goku initially, then he sensed Vegeta afterwards.

Saiga · Post by **Saiga** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:24 am

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:That quote I posted was from herms. Buu wasn't trying to stop the fusion, he was only going to kill Goku initially, then he sensed Vegeta afterwards.

I know it was from Herms. You're completely missing my point - it's an English translation. English uses gendered pronouns a lot, Japanese doesn't. The fact that an English translation calls Vegeta a "he" doesn't mean the Japanese line identifies him as male, because translations are rarely 100% exact.

The only way you'll know is to ask Herms.

SSJ2FutureGohan · Post by **SSJ2FutureGohan** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:26 am

Oh, ok I see what you mean. I'll get on that.

Hitiro · Post by **Hitiro** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:46 am

Evil Boo's memories from Mr. Boo seem rather hazy at best though. He vaguely remembers fighting Goku and him transforming. That is how I felt the dialogue was worded. The only real person he truly remembers from being Fat Boo is Mr. Satan. But if we're going to say that Evil Boo is retaining peoples memories then why is it that he calls the Ki Human rather than Saiyan? We already know that Saiyan's Ki is different from others. And surely if he knew it was Vegeta's then he would know it is a Saiyan Ki or his memories from the others would have confirmed it to be a non-human Ki.

SSJ2FutureGohan · Post by **SSJ2FutureGohan** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:43 pm

Human can refer to any humanoid alien. Ginyu's called himself a human before.

Hitiro · Post by **Hitiro** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:02 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Human can refer to any humanoid alien. Ginyu's called himself a human before.

When did Ginyu call himself a Human? Maybe a humanoid alien(An alien with the features of a human). But Human applies to us.

SSJ2FutureGohan · Post by **SSJ2FutureGohan** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:08 pm

Ginyu: “If you’ve gotten confident from that brief exchange just now, I’ll soon take you down a notch…The truth is that I am also the type of human that can freely alter their battle power…!”

Usually the term "Earthling" is applied to humans in Dragon Ball

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:19 pm

Hitiro wrote:
SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:Human can refer to any humanoid alien. Ginyu's called himself a human before.
When did Ginyu call himself a Human? Maybe a humanoid alien(An alien with the features of a human). But Human applies to us.

Nope. You're thinking of "Earthling." In Dragon Ball, humans, Saiyans, whatever Ginyu is, etc., are all "Humans."

Hitiro · Post by **Hitiro** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:38 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Nope. You're thinking of "Earthling." In Dragon Ball, humans, Saiyans, whatever Ginyu is, etc., are all "Humans."

Okay then. Seems a weird distinction. Doesn't really change the fact that he would have recognised Vegeta's Ki if he did have access to their memories though.

SSJ2FutureGohan · Post by **SSJ2FutureGohan** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:41 pm

He has to have some portions of their memories since we see him get talking skills from Piccolo. Considering all 4 people he has have been around Vegeta for years. I doubt it's unlikely.

Hitiro · Post by **Hitiro** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:14 pm

SSJ2FutureGohan wrote:He has to have some portions of their memories since we see him get talking skills from Piccolo. Considering all 4 people he has have been around Vegeta for years. I doubt it's unlikely.

An increase in intelligence doesn't necessarily mean he gained memories from Piccolo. If Piccolo has a strategic and intelligent mind he may have inherited that as a skill. I mean if your IQ suddenly sky rocketed up to 300 you're going to inherently be better at speaking or thinking about situations. Similar to how when you're a child you are explained concepts that you can't grasp. But once you're older you understand them.

Son_Gohan · Post by **Son_Gohan** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:37 pm

Hitiro wrote:The only real person he truly remembers from being Fat Boo is Mr. Satan.

No, Super Buu states he remembers beating Gohan when he was still Fat Buu.

I don't doubt he'd remember Vegeta either, since he should have left a greater impression than Gohan did.

90sDBZ · Post by **90sDBZ** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:51 pm

How could he not know Vegeta? After absorbing Piccolo and Gotenks he knew all about Gohan's past, the fact that Goku was his father, and what made him tick.

Hitiro · Post by **Hitiro** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:05 pm

Son_Gohan wrote:
Hitiro wrote:The only real person he truly remembers from being Fat Boo is Mr. Satan.
No, Super Buu states he remembers beating Gohan when he was still Fat Buu.

I don't doubt he'd remember Vegeta either, since he should have left a greater impression than Gohan did.

I suppose, but it isn't something vivid. It's more of a recollection of Gohan rather than him knowing Gohan. It took him a moment to recall him. I'm not saying he didn't obtain memories from Fat Boo. But it seems that his instant recollection of someone is limited only to Mr. Satan.

90sDBZ wrote:How could he not know Vegeta? After absorbing Piccolo and Gotenks he knew all about Gohan's past, the fact that Goku was his father, and what made him tick.

None of this happens in the manga. All he knows are their names from the characters speaking to each other. He doesn't even know Goku's name or Tenshinhan's or who Dende even is. When Goku shows up in the manga he just says "You're that guy I fought before, the one that transformed." not "Hey! It's Goku!"

SSJ2FutureGohan · Post by **SSJ2FutureGohan** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:01 pm

Maybe he just doesn't know them by name? He seems awfully familiar with Tenshinhan.

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