The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Lord Beerus]

SSJ 3 Vegetto (Buu arc) vs. SSJ 4 Goku (Babu arc)

Logic - SSJ3 Vegetto stomps
Reality - SSJ4 Goku stomps. And that's the bottom line, cause GT said so!

[singsing]

Keep in mind, we don't actually know how strong Beerus is.

The power ratio between two individuals required for the stronger one to "stomp" the other is actually rather marginal, all things considered.

Beerus could theoretically only be 20% stronger than SSJ3 Goku. In which case, I wouldn't have much of a hard time believing that SSJ2 Vegeta could catch him in a surprise moment with a few good punches. We've seen that kind of thing ALL THE TIME in DBZ - see Vegeta on Recoome for instance.

Of course, this is if we take Vegeta's "I definitely surpassed you" comment with a grain of salt.

Beerus is supposedly the strongest being in the history of Z. Whether you take that to mean SSJ Vegetto's shown power, SSJ Vegetto's hypothetical going full power, or SSJ3 Vegetto, he's stronger than that by a decent margin that they didn't even consider fusing in order to stop Beerus from blowing up their planet. There's really no way Vegeta ACTUALLY surpassed Beerus. Or he'd be way too easy to stop.

[Cursed Lemon]

Beerus is supposedly the strongest being in the history of Z. Whether you take that to mean SSJ Vegetto's shown power, SSJ Vegetto's hypothetical going full power, or SSJ3 Vegetto, he's stronger than that by a decent margin that they didn't even consider fusing in order to stop Beerus from blowing up their planet. There's really no way Vegeta ACTUALLY surpassed Beerus. Or he'd be way too easy to stop.

I only watched the movie once so I'm spotty on things, did they actually specifically say that Gogeta would not stand a chance?

[singsing]

Beerus is supposedly the strongest being in the history of Z. Whether you take that to mean SSJ Vegetto's shown power, SSJ Vegetto's hypothetical going full power, or SSJ3 Vegetto, he's stronger than that by a decent margin that they didn't even consider fusing in order to stop Beerus from blowing up their planet. There's really no way Vegeta ACTUALLY surpassed Beerus. Or he'd be way too easy to stop.

I only watched the movie once so I'm spotty on things, did they actually specifically say that Gogeta would not stand a chance?

I don't remember the exact quote, but it was something like

Goku: Could we use fusion maybe? ... No, even that wouldn't be enough.

There's literally no way Beerus was "20%" or even only 2x stronger than Goku, because otherwise there would have been dozens of ways for the squad to take him down and prevent their planet from being destroyed. In reality, they were defeated when SSG Goku lost and just stood there looking tough while knowing full well they and everyone on their home planet was about to die.

[In Brightest Day]

More fights:

- Android #19 vs. Kibito.
- Cell Junior vs. Kaioshin.
- Cyborg Mercenary Tao vs. Drum.
- SSJ Future Trunks vs. Cooler (Movie 5), Mecha Freeza and King Cold.
- King Chappa vs. Namu.
- Old King Piccolo vs. Son Goku, Tenshinhan, Yajirobe and Kame-sennin.
- SSJ Son Goku (healthy - Cell Games) vs. 7 Cell Juniors.

[KentalSSJ6]

SSJ 3 Vegetto (Buu arc) vs. SSJ 4 Goku (Babu arc)

Logic - SSJ3 Vegetto stomps
Reality - SSJ4 Goku stomps. And that's the bottom line, cause GT said so!

GT logic or not, Vegetto curbstomps here.

I have them both as equals at around 160 trillion and jumping to SSJ3 from 1 is a X8 increase.

SSJ4 Goku - 160 Trillion

SSJ3 Vegetto - 1.2 Quadrillion

[Lord Beerus]

More fights:

- Android #19 vs. Kibito.
- Cell Junior vs. Kaioshin.
- Cyborg Mercenary Tao vs. Drum.
- SSJ Future Trunks vs. Cooler (Movie 5), Mecha Freeza and King Cold.
- King Chappa vs. Namu.
- Old King Piccolo vs. Son Goku, Tenshinhan, Yajirobe and Kame-sennin.
- SSJ Son Goku (healthy - Cell Games) vs. 7 Cell Juniors.

- Kibito
- Kaioshin
- Drum
- SSJ Future Trunks
- Namu
- Old King Piccolo
- Cell Jrs.

[DBZAOTA482]

More fights:

- Android #19 vs. Kibito.
- Cell Junior vs. Kaioshin.
- Cyborg Mercenary Tao vs. Drum.
- SSJ Future Trunks vs. Cooler (Movie 5), Mecha Freeza and King Cold.
- King Chappa vs. Namu.
- Old King Piccolo vs. Son Goku, Tenshinhan, Yajirobe and Kame-sennin.
- SSJ Son Goku (healthy - Cell Games) vs. 7 Cell Juniors.

-Kibito stomps.
-Kaioshin
-Drum
-SSJ Future Trunks, with effort.
-King Chappa
-Son Goku and co.
-Cell Juniors

[Kaboom]

base Gokhan (potara) vs. Gohan-Buu

If the Old Kaioshin said that "Kuhan" probably wouldn't need Super Saiyan to defeat Gotenks-Boo, then I'm inclined to believe him. It might be a close fight, though.

Also, I like to think that the only reason his base would be enough is because of how Gohan's power was rearranged. A Fusion between someone (Goku) who uses Super Saiyan forms for their power and someone else (Gohan) who no longer does might produce some sort of hybrid who has a massively powerful base and only gets tiny power boosts when transforming, or something.

SSJ 3 Vegetto (Buu arc) vs. SSJ 4 Goku (Babu arc)

Normal Logic: I'm fine with that one old guidebook entry which suggests Super Vegetto and SS4 Goku are on the same general tier. So SS2 would probably be all that Vegetto needs to win, and SS3 is overkill.
GT Logic: Goku wins in base.

- Android #19 vs. Kibito.
- Cell Junior vs. Kaioshin.
- Cyborg Mercenary Tao vs. Drum.
- SSJ Future Trunks vs. Cooler (Movie 5), Mecha Freeza and King Cold.
- King Chappa vs. Namu.
- Old King Piccolo vs. Son Goku, Tenshinhan, Yajirobe and Kame-sennin.
- SSJ Son Goku (healthy - Cell Games) vs. 7 Cell Juniors.

— Kibito can win this one with some difficulty as long as he doesn't let No.19 absorb any of his ki.
— Kaioshin can win as long as he doesn't wuss out over something.
— I'm going to give this one to Drum. Gut feeling.
— If Coola is using his "Super" form and Freeza goes up to 100%, then I think all three of these guys at once is too much for Trunks to handle.
— Uh... *flips coin* The coin says Nam wins.
— The group of heroes has a chance of winning here, but only a very slim one. The Kikoho may be their best or only hope.
— I'm sure Goku could take on 2 or 3 Cell Juniors at once, but not all 7. Even Gohan probably couldn't' do that without SS2.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

- Android #19 vs. Kibito

19 one shots.

- Cell Junior vs. Kaioshin

Cell Junior one shots.

- SSJ Future Trunks vs. Cooler (Movie 5), Mecha Freeza and King Cold

With hax: Coola one shots.
Without hax: Depends on whether it's Mecha arc Trunks or Android arc. Android arc could pull it off.

- SSJ Son Goku (healthy - Cell Games) vs. 7 Cell Juniors

7 is too many for him.

[Kaboom]

Depends on whether it's Mecha arc Trunks or Android arc. Android arc could pull it off.

Ah, good point, and I'll second this. He improved at least a little bit between those two points.

[singsing]

Perfect Cell vs CG Gohan and Buu arc SSJ Goku.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Perfect Cell vs CG Gohan and Buu arc SSJ Goku.

Cell one shots both.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

- Android #19 vs. Kibito.
- Cell Junior vs. Kaioshin.
- Cyborg Mercenary Tao vs. Drum.
- SSJ Future Trunks vs. Cooler (Movie 5), Mecha Freeza and King Cold.
- King Chappa vs. Namu.
- Old King Piccolo vs. Son Goku, Tenshinhan, Yajirobe and Kame-sennin.
- SSJ Son Goku (healthy - Cell Games) vs. 7 Cell Juniors.

1) I think Kibito is weaker than Base Gohan, and I don't see Base Gohan being able to beat #19. So the chubby Android wins.
2) Kaioshin. I think he's way above Cell Games Vegeta, who wasn't far weaker than a Cell Jr. His kiai eyes and shockwave should be enough to turn a Cell Jr into oblivion.
3) Drum. I think Cyborg Tao is above all of the 22nd Budokai warriors at the most.
4) Trunks has the power advantage, but this could be quite tough if they launch a successful team attack.
5) Nam because he's more cool.
6) None of them are a match for Daimao. He wins with ease.
7) The Cell Jrs.

Perfect Cell vs CG Gohan and Buu arc SSJ Goku.

I'm assuming this is Cell at his best? If so, Gohan and Goku get washed.

[singsing]

Whoops, forgot to specify. The same Cell that Gohan fought. Increased speed Goku fight strength. No IT KMHMH.

[Hugo Boss]

base Gokhan (potara) vs. Gohan-Buu

Despite all the hype, he needs Super Saiyan/Ultimate to beat any form of Boo.

SSJ 3 Vegetto (Buu arc) vs. SSJ 4 Goku (Babu arc)

Even match, maybe Vegetto have a lead on strategy.

More fights:

- Android #19 vs. Kibito.
- Cell Junior vs. Kaioshin.
- Cyborg Mercenary Tao vs. Drum.
- SSJ Future Trunks vs. Cooler (Movie 5), Mecha Freeza and King Cold.
- King Chappa vs. Namu.
- Old King Piccolo vs. Son Goku, Tenshinhan, Yajirobe and Kame-sennin.
- SSJ Son Goku (healthy - Cell Games) vs. 7 Cell Juniors.

• No.19. I don't think Kibito can fight Super Saiyans.
• Kaioshin. He is suposed to be leagues ahead Piccolo, who fought Cell Jr. fairly well.
• Tao. Tenshinhan got a lot stronger and I think Tao was stronger than him and Drum together.
• Trunks. They would be a pain if fighting all together, but since they fight separately Trunks still wins.
• King Chappa. Not much of a difference, but he is one of the old-school champions.
• Piccolo. Ganging up on him wouldn't make a difference.
• Cell Jrs. He can beat one of them, but 2 or 3 are another story.

Perfect Cell vs CG Gohan and Buu arc SSJ Goku.

SS Goku alone probably can fight Cell on equal terms, add Gohan in this and they can win.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

base Gokhan (potara) vs. Gohan-Buu

Despite all the hype, he needs Super Saiyan/Ultimate to beat any form of Boo.

Why any form? I can understand Gohan-Buu, but Old Kaioshin said he'd be plenty for Gotenks-Buu, he should be able to beat everyone below Gotenks-Buu also.

[Kaboom]

Perfect Cell vs CG Gohan and Buu arc SSJ Goku.

Whoops, forgot to specify. The same Cell that Gohan fought. Increased speed Goku fight strength. No IT KMHMH.

Oh, if it's Cell's "normal" level which he fought SS Goku and Gohan with, just putting in some extra speed, then Goku alone can take him without much trouble. If it's full-power Cell, though, then they have a chance at beating him if they work together.

[Hugo Boss]

base Gokhan (potara) vs. Gohan-Buu

Despite all the hype, he needs Super Saiyan/Ultimate to beat any form of Boo.

Why any form? I can understand Gohan-Buu, but Old Kaioshin said he'd be plenty for Gotenks-Buu, he should be able to beat everyone below Gotenks-Buu also.

He still has Ultimate form, which makes no need to transform into Super Saiyan.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Didn't Old Kaioshin say "normal state" ? Do you have the quote on you?