The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[DBZAOTA482]

Android arc Piccolo (pre-merge) vs. Mecha arc SSJ Trunks, 2 arm SSJ Future Gohan, and 100% Freeza

Piccolo gets stomped by SSJ Future Gohan and SSJ Trunks and Freeza piss on his ashes.

How can Freeza piss?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Android arc Piccolo (pre-merge) vs. Mecha arc SSJ Trunks, 2 arm SSJ Future Gohan, and 100% Freeza

Piccolo gets stomped by SSJ Future Gohan and SSJ Trunks and Freeza piss on his ashes.

How can Freeza piss?

Like this!

[Lord Beerus]

How can Freeza piss?

Like this!

Hahaha! Scary Movie 3 was pretty funny.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Kami was talking about how Trunks' current power compares to Vegeta & the Artificial Humans in that statement. If Trunks had gotten significantly stronger than back then, then Kami would have said something like "Even for that ‘Trunks’ boy who came from the future and instantly obliterated Freeza and his father, and has now grown even stronger than he was back then…and even for Vegeta, whose abilities are even greater than Trunks…". Yet, he is treating Trunks as being at the same level as he was 3 years (6 months for Trunks) before.

He's just making note of his feat of defeating Freeza. It's an exaggeration of his power so to say, not just "Trunks; the very powerful boy", but Trunks; they boy who obliterated the emperor of the universe" or whatever. Obviously I'm not good at explaining it, but I think you get the gist of what I'm saying(?). Trunks hasn't really done anything since he came back, so there's no noteworthty feats to mention. This statement doesn't need to literally mean Trunks hasn't changed much. Besides, wasn't Trunks comparable to Android arc Vegeta (who is above Android arc Goku)? If Trunks is close to that Vegeta, it would mean the Z-fighters barely got any stronger at all from 3 years of intense training, considering Trunks was below Yardrat Goku during his debut. Them making very minimal gains also wouldn't make sense since Piccolo didn't lack confidence in the team's abilities to take on the Androids, as mentioned earlier.

They are both at around the same level. And #19 managed to make Vegeta bleed because Vegeta allowed him to, because he wanted to see his power. He couldn't do any real damage to him, and not to mention that #19 had absorbed power from SS Goku at that point.

Gero didn't say anything that their powers were the same. It's not exactly safe to assume Piccolo was expecting someone on 19's level. So I guess that was bad evidence on my part.

Yes Vegeta let 19 hit him, but it still caused him to bleed. If the gap was that big, Vegeta should've not taken any damage. Kinda like when stage 2 Cell let 16 hit him, it didn't do any damage, but it's not like Cell put up any kind of guard.

20 had also absorbed Vegeta's blast and some of Piccolo's energy at this point.

But it is proven that he is now stronger than Trunks.

So you do think he is stronger than Trunks now?

With Gero, he was full of confidence, and like "shit, I'm fucking the robot that killed Super Saiyans, I'm awesome!". It's just like when Kuririn saw Goku beating the Ginyu Tokusentai and was like "wow, you must be stronger than Freeza!" even though he knows Freeza's power, and should know that he is weaker than Freeza.

Freeza hadn't fought yet, so Kuririn most likely hadn't got a good reading on his power, like I said before about the "resting/standing" ki. Vegeta (who knows 1st form Freeza's full power) quickly shoots down this sentiment, suggesting that Kuririn just didn't get a good read on it.

Sick Goku isn't a good comparison, because Goku didn't have just a lower battle power, he whole body was shit. It's not like a suppressed or weaker fighter.

It's true his stamina is running low, but he still failed to like 2 or 3 shot 19, and Goku's fighting abilities can't be hindered that much otherwise the Z-fighters would've noticed immediately.

And as mentioned before, this Goku is still fighting at a level above SSJ Trunks' (Mecha arc), otherwise the Z-fighters would've immediately realized that they were the wrong Androids.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

As mentioned before it makes absolutely no sense at all as to why Piccolo would be weaker than Freeza and still consider the possibility that he's gotten too strong. From a storytelling standpoint, it really doesn't make sense.

There would be no point at all in that line if Piccolo was actually supposed to be as weak as you're saying.

Character statements form the basis of the story. To doubt Piccolo here is like doubting the author. Without statements or comparable feats, there's no way to judge. If there's evidence that Piccolo > Trunks (or Freeza), and nothing going to the contrary, there's no reason to discard or twist the evidence, or try to discredit it because of other situations. Not just because "his gains are unrealistic"

[Kaboom]

Can we move on from this particular tangent, please?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Ok, sorry about that.

[Bullza]

Jaco vs 21st Budokai Goku

[Lord Beerus]

Jaco vs 21st Budokai Goku

Goku.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

(post-RoSaT) Piccolo vs SSJ Vegeta (post-1st day RoSaT) (not Grade 2)
SSJ Goku (Cell Games) vs. Dabra

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Piccolo. I think he's above Super Vegeta at this point.

I'd probably give this to Dabra. I see him as being a bit stronger than the powered-up Cell Goku fought. Then again, I'm not sure. Dabra had trouble with a weaker Teen Gohan, who likely wouldn't beat powered-up Cell.

[Saiga]

I doubt Gohan from the Boo arc is weaker than Cell Games Goku. He'd have to lose a ton of power for that.

[ZombieVito]

(post-RoSaT) Piccolo vs SSJ Vegeta (post-1st day RoSaT) (not Grade 2)
SSJ Goku (Cell Games) vs. Dabra

1.- Piccolo one shots.
2.- Dabra one shots.

[Lord Beerus]

(post-RoSaT) Piccolo vs SSJ Vegeta (post-1st day RoSaT) (not Grade 2)
SSJ Goku (Cell Games) vs. Dabra

- Piccolo stomps
- Dabra stomps

[Super SaiyaJon]

SSJ4 Kid Goku (Beginning of Dragon Ball) vs Zarbon (Transformed)

SSJ4 Goku (Buu arc) vs Super Buu

SSJ4 Vegetto (Buu arc) vs SSJG Goku (BOG)

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

SSJ4 Kid Goku (Beginning of Dragon Ball) vs Zarbon (Transformed)

Don't know.

SSJ4 Goku (Buu arc) vs Super Buu

Z logic: Super Buu one shots. GT logic: Goku is above Super Vegetto, he one shots.

SSJ4 Vegetto (Buu arc) vs SSJG Goku (BOG)

Vegetto.

[ZombieVito]

RoF SSJ4 Vegetto (Both Vegeta and Goku have god powers in base) vs SSJ4 Gogeta (GT).

[Lord Beerus]

RoF SSJ4 Vegetto (Both Vegeta and Goku have god powers in base) vs SSJ4 Gogeta (GT).

Vegetto stomps.

[Lord Beerus]

SSJ4 Kid Goku (Beginning of Dragon Ball) vs Zarbon (Transformed)

SSJ4 Goku (Buu arc) vs Super Buu

SSJ4 Vegetto (Buu arc) vs SSJG Goku (BOG)

- SSJ4 Kid Goku
- SSJ4 Goku. Because GT said so.
- SSJ Vegetto

[In Brightest Day]

(post-RoSaT) Piccolo vs SSJ Vegeta (post-1st day RoSaT) (not Grade 2)

1st RoSaT Vegeta could spend all day punching a Cell Junior in the face and it wouldn't feel a thing, while Piccolo was able to put up some level of defense. Piccolo one shots.

SSJ Goku (Cell Games) vs. Dabra.

I'd have to rewatch the fight with Son Gohan again, but Dabura didn't strike me as a total shmuck who was completely reliant on strength or anything. He definitely has a variety of nasty techniques that would keep Son Goku on his toes. It would be a tough fight. Dabra couldn't survive a Warp Kamehameha, but I doubt Goku would pull out his trump card until he absolutely had to and if the fight had dragged on that long why wouldn't have Dabra just turned him to stone long before that?

So, I'm leaning towards the Demon King.