Vegeta's morality post Boo

[Low Tone G]

It would be impossible to Vegeta too ever obtain ssj god because it requires one too be completely pure, he loves fighting, he acts like a dick, hes jealous and greedy=not pure

Ehhhh.... he can become a SSJ God according to Dende. Plus its a RIGHTEOUS heart.. not pure.


Dende: Vegeta may have been evil a long time ago, but i'm not so sure about now. Is he evil?

Kirllin: Now that you mention it, you're right. He hasn't done anything bad for a good while now.

Vegeta: Stop insulting me! You're saying the great Vegeta-sama has a righteous heart?!

Being RIGHTEOUS doesn't mean you are totally pure too. Those Saiyans who created the Original Saiyan God weren't totally pure, that's sure. They just questioned the regime of the Planet Vegeta, so they are were just people who wanted to established a better(a more rightful - if there's a word like that ) regime. I'm almost certain that all of the those Saiyans also loved to fight, just like Goku and Vegeta.

I'd say Vegeta is righteous, that's the most perfect word to describe him. He has his own intentions, but he doesn't want cause pain to people who doesn't deserve it, in other words, he knows now how to hehave with people.

[Marco Polo]

As ABED stated, Goku often takes his fights to deserted areas to minimize casualties. Vegeta would most likely not give a fuck and fight in a populated area if it suited him.

I doubt Vegeta would not give a fuck. Or, at any rate, there is no evidence in canon to say either way, so I'm really not sure why you say he "would most likely not give a fuck". Why "most likely" when there is no evidence?

[sintzu]

Why "most likely" when there is no evidence?

You can tell by looking at him.

[GokuRules987]

What DB considers "pure" is not really meant to be "saint-like" which is what a lot of people think.

It's more like, innocent. Like a child. Unsullied by the ways of the world. Doesn't mean that they don't have their own interests and such.

Thats the point but Goku and Vegeta arent children anymore. Their Children already have children , and they obviously already had sex therefore they cant be pure.

There is a difference between being pure and being good. If Vegeta had too make a choice between saving his kid or saving a bus full of kids, he would obviously save his kid first, but goku on the other hand, for him his family is basically like any other person in the world.

[LordCrumb]

What DB considers "pure" is not really meant to be "saint-like" which is what a lot of people think.

It's more like, innocent. Like a child. Unsullied by the ways of the world. Doesn't mean that they don't have their own interests and such.

Thats the point but Goku and Vegeta arent children anymore. Their Children already have children , and they obviously already had sex therefore they cant be pure.

There is a difference between being pure and being good. If Vegeta had too make a choice between saving his kid or saving a bus full of kids, he would obviously save his kid first, but goku on the other hand, for him his family is basically like any other person in the world.

WTF? On what basis is that comment? Sure as hell better not be religion lol

[ABED]

There is a difference between being pure and being good. If Vegeta had too make a choice between saving his kid or saving a bus full of kids, he would obviously save his kid first, but goku on the other hand, for him his family is basically like any other person in the world.

He may not be the best family man but I don't think you're correct and in such a horrible situation, choosing your kid first is the right thing.

[Zephyr]

Numerous things stating and implying his goodness coupled with nothing saying he's evil leads me to conclude that he's good. We can bring our own subjective moral theories in as much as we want, but I don't think that amounts to much.

[Turtle bits]

He settled down and found a family at least, and finally found things worth protecting, and caring for, hence why he gave his life in the buu saga. Id like to think, as a fan, that he began to see through to the other side, that hey, it hurts to be blown to bits by a ki blast, so while he may not exactly enjoy it, hes "a protector of earth now", I still see a selfish streak in him, but I always felt most all what made him a pretty deplorable person in the beginning is all but gone by the end of the manga, and especially in BOG.
In other words, he represents the idea that even the worst people can change and find things to care for, in the series.

[JackyBoi99]

If you put into perspective, if vegeta hadn't changed post-sacrifice, then he'd still be a loner doing selfish deeds in order to gain greater power. From what we have seen post-sacrifice, he no longer does this and has basically settled down with his family.

Add into the mix that he can potentially become a ssj god, he must be predominantly good.

[Marco Polo]

Why "most likely" when there is no evidence?

You can tell by looking at him.

I look at him and see that he even wears Earthling clothes, in and out of battle, by the end of the series.

[GokuRules987]

Hopefully Vegeta learns to smile more before he becomes ssj god.

[Fionordequester]

WTF? On what basis is that comment? Sure as hell better not be religion lol

If it is religion, it certainly isn't the Christian religion, so I'm as confused as you are.

[GokuRules987]

WTF? On what basis is that comment? Sure as hell better not be religion lol

If it is religion, it certainly isn't the Christian religion, so I'm as confused as you are.

It had nothing to do with religion. mAcChaos replied to me that when DBZ talks about purity it means being innocent like a child. unsullied by the ways of the world.
And i personality disagree, Goku and Vegeta arent really kids, they are grown adults and they have laid with women already XD
btw remember when Goku told old kai that he was gonna hook him up with bulma on a date and even offered him porn magazines! Goku has definetly matured and got more adult like personality and humor.

[Low Tone G]

WTF? On what basis is that comment? Sure as hell better not be religion lol

If it is religion, it certainly isn't the Christian religion, so I'm as confused as you are.

It had nothing to do with religion. mAcChaos replied to me that when DBZ talks about purity it means being innocent like a child. unsullied by the ways of the world.
And i personality disagree, Goku and Vegeta arent really kids, they are grown adults and they have laid with women already XD
btw remember when Goku told old kai that he was gonna hook him up with bulma on a date and even offered him porn magazines! Goku has definetly matured and got more adult like personality and humor.

Of course... In DBZ the purity = you don't want to kill good guys + want to punish evil ones... nothing more than that. It's something like you behave righteous... So you don't want to cause pain to good people, but you protect them against evil guys who are stronger then them. The SSJ-God ritual needs people who are allies to good, not perfectly saint people. The Flying Nimbus, on the other hand, "doesn't like" people who are evil, and good people who are too tricky(Vegeta, Yamcha, Tenshinhan), perverted(Master Roshi, Oolong, Yajirobe) or conceited(Krillin(early DB), Bulma, etc).

[ParkerAL]

Although Wrath of the Dragon is not canon, I always thought his depiction in that movie was accurate for post-Boo.

I hate to go off topic but that gif just highlights how great the animation was back in the day when Dragon Ball Z actually had a budget to work with.

I know I'm late to the party, but this gif pretty much summarizes what I think Vegeta's current morality is post-Buu. He would try to save people, but in a begrudgingly kind of "ah crap, looks like I have to help these dumbasses" kind of way. He'd do it out of obligation, without making a big deal of it to keep up his Saiyan appearances.

The idea that Vegeta hasn't changed at all over the years and is still as evil as ever is nonsense and a very unpleasant way to interpret the series as a whole. Personally, I think there just haven't been enough opportunities to show how much he's changed. We have tons of examples of him doing evil shit and not as many on the other end to balance them out, which is what I think colors his character in the eyes of some. That and his tendency to bury his emotions under an aloof jerk-ass quasi-facade.

[DBZAOTA482]

Chaotic Neutral.