How much did Goku power increase after ssj god?

[Hitiro]

Three million multiplied by four hundred is only 1.2 billion.

Yeah my bad, i miss counted, but atleast we know that 1.2 billion the minimum that Goku could have in ssj3. obviously Goku went thru yardrat, android time skip, hyperbolic time chamber and 7 years in after life training. his base power level would have increased by that time.

This also makes sense because ssj Gogeta power level is 2.5 billion which is more than twice the power of Goku ssj3.

It's hard to take this page as a fact as Goku and the gang have increased their battle powers several times over. I mean in the 10-ish years since he first transformed into a SSJ he more than likely increased his battle power more than double what it was on Namek. So SSJ3 would be above 2.5 billion.

[Bullza]

I'd heard before that SSJ4 was 10x stronger than SSJ3 but I don't see how that adds up with Baby.

Baby was much stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Oozaru Baby should be 10x stronger than that so should also be much stronger than SSJ4 Goku but he was weaker.

[GokuRules987]

Three million multiplied by four hundred is only 1.2 billion.

Yeah my bad, i miss counted, but atleast we know that 1.2 billion the minimum that Goku could have in ssj3. obviously Goku went thru yardrat, android time skip, hyperbolic time chamber and 7 years in after life training. his base power level would have increased by that time.

This also makes sense because ssj Gogeta power level is 2.5 billion which is more than twice the power of Goku ssj3.

It's hard to take this page as a fact as Goku and the gang have increased their battle powers several times over. I mean in the 10-ish years since he first transformed into a SSJ he more than likely increased his battle power more than double what it was on Namek. So SSJ3 would be above 2.5 billion.

Yes and dont forget that we also need to take in the exponentional multiplier since it was shown that the bigger the power level is the bigger the actual multiplier for that power level is. Thats why Goku at power level 10 struggled to bust a car whole Master Roshi at power level of 180 (jackie chun) was able to blow up the moon.

Goku multiplier exponential in ssj3 would be 325018.867925X

1.2 billion pl X 325018.867925X which is around 390 trillion power level or 3.9002264e+14, which is his raw power calculated from the exponential formula.


2.708490566037736e-4 x (choose any power level)= multiplier exponentional

Best way to put this in is by going too google search and typing the 2.708490566037736e-4 times (power level you want)
and it should calculate it for you the answer.

[Dayspring]

Daizenshuu first explains that SSJ is 50x base. Chozenshuu, IIRC, agrees with this and claims that SSJ2 is double SSJ, while SSJ3 is 4x SSJ2. That means the official strength of SSJ4 is 400x base form. I want to say God Ki isn't a straight-up multiplier so much as its a different form power altogether. After all, SSJ Vegeta was able to put Beerus on the ropes for a bit.

For me, I think of it as "Human Ki" in the billions and "God Ki" in the low hundreds (meaning, whatever Kami taught Goku how to use), while SSJG essentially converted his Human Ki's strength into God Ki. This would explain why SSJ3 Goku is nothing, but both base form Goku and SSJ Vegeta had moments where they could go toe to toe with Beerus.

[singsing]

Daizenshuu first explains that SSJ is 50x base. Chozenshuu, IIRC, agrees with this and claims that SSJ2 is double SSJ, while SSJ3 is 4x SSJ2. That means the official strength of SSJ4 is 400x base form. I want to say God Ki isn't a straight-up multiplier so much as its a different form power altogether. After all, SSJ Vegeta was able to put Beerus on the ropes for a bit.

For me, I think of it as "Human Ki" in the billions and "God Ki" in the low hundreds (meaning, whatever Kami taught Goku how to use), while SSJG essentially converted his Human Ki's strength into God Ki. This would explain why SSJ3 Goku is nothing, but both base form Goku and SSJ Vegeta had moments where they could go toe to toe with Beerus.

Goku could because he had absorbed SSG into himself. In Vegeta's case Beerus was just fucking with him.

[Dayspring]

Daizenshuu first explains that SSJ is 50x base. Chozenshuu, IIRC, agrees with this and claims that SSJ2 is double SSJ, while SSJ3 is 4x SSJ2. That means the official strength of SSJ4 is 400x base form. I want to say God Ki isn't a straight-up multiplier so much as its a different form power altogether. After all, SSJ Vegeta was able to put Beerus on the ropes for a bit.

For me, I think of it as "Human Ki" in the billions and "God Ki" in the low hundreds (meaning, whatever Kami taught Goku how to use), while SSJG essentially converted his Human Ki's strength into God Ki. This would explain why SSJ3 Goku is nothing, but both base form Goku and SSJ Vegeta had moments where they could go toe to toe with Beerus.

Goku could because he had absorbed SSG into himself. In Vegeta's case Beerus was just fucking with him.

I disagree, but even in that case, one could surmise that SSJG is x500 or anything else over x400.

[singsing]

Daizenshuu first explains that SSJ is 50x base. Chozenshuu, IIRC, agrees with this and claims that SSJ2 is double SSJ, while SSJ3 is 4x SSJ2. That means the official strength of SSJ4 is 400x base form. I want to say God Ki isn't a straight-up multiplier so much as its a different form power altogether. After all, SSJ Vegeta was able to put Beerus on the ropes for a bit.

For me, I think of it as "Human Ki" in the billions and "God Ki" in the low hundreds (meaning, whatever Kami taught Goku how to use), while SSJG essentially converted his Human Ki's strength into God Ki. This would explain why SSJ3 Goku is nothing, but both base form Goku and SSJ Vegeta had moments where they could go toe to toe with Beerus.

Goku could because he had absorbed SSG into himself. In Vegeta's case Beerus was just fucking with him.

I disagree, but even in that case, one could surmise that SSJG is x500 or anything else over x400.

Idk, from what I saw Beerus stomped Goku while using 70% of his power. After Vegeta's outburst, Beerus appeared out of the smoke without a single scratch and disappointment at the realization that Vegeta wasn't the Super Saiyan God. From WoG, Beerus is the strongest being in the history of Z. Meaning he's at least stronger than Super Vegetto, which is backed up by Goku stating not even fusion would be enough to beat Beerus.

Also, I'm not sure if you're saying that, but are you disagreeing with me saying Goku absorbed SSG's power? Because that's literally stated both in the movie and by the author.

[Tectorman]

I'd heard before that SSJ4 was 10x stronger than SSJ3 but I don't see how that adds up with Baby.

Baby was much stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Oozaru Baby should be 10x stronger than that so should also be much stronger than SSJ4 Goku but he was weaker.

Bebi Vegeta was Vegeta Base (equal to Goku) times 100 (SSJ2) times whatever multiplier puts him above SSJ3 Goku (at least 4, maybe 5 or something), which comes from Bebi's power and maybe some that he's stealing from the Earthlings or from his previous Saiyan hosts.

Goku's SSJ3 was Goku Base times 400. Goku's Super Oozaru was SSJ (at least; it might've also had SSJ2 or even 3 in there) times the Oozaru. Or 10 times 50 (or more). And minus his self-control.

His SSJ4 was Base x 4000, either already using the power of Super Oozaru or bringing out his full power (depending on how much of his SSJ transformations you think Super Oozaru was using), plus reapplying his self-control.

Oozaru Bebi was Vegeta in Base times 100 (SSJ2) times 10 (Oozaru) times the 4 or five from Bebi's power MINUS some number due to the newly introduced poor interaction between Bebi's power and the Oozaru transformation (some number that counters his power down to what Goku could handle.

We learn at the end of the fight that the Oozaru did negatively impact Bebi. He could no longer back to his morphic virus form and had to make his escape in a conventional human form. So it's reasonable to assume another negative interaction between the Oozaru and his own power.

[Dayspring]

Idk, from what I saw Beerus stomped Goku while using 70% of his power. After Vegeta's outburst, Beerus appeared out of the smoke without a single scratch and disappointment at the realization that Vegeta wasn't the Super Saiyan God. From WoG, Beerus is the strongest being in the history of Z. Meaning he's at least stronger than Super Vegetto, which is backed up by Goku stating not even fusion would be enough to beat Beerus.

My point is that Vegeta did manage to get some hits in that forced Beerus to recoil. Vegeta even whacked him with a full combo. SSJ3 Goku could not. The reason Beerus wasn't injured by Vegeta's attacks is because they weren't strong enough. In other words, there was enough "God-style Ki" in Vegeta's attack to get some licks in, but licks don't hurt. SSJ3 Goku had regular ki only, which was why he couldn't accomplish as much as SSJ Vegeta did, despite being much stronger.

Also, I'm not sure if you're saying that, but are you disagreeing with me saying Goku absorbed SSG's power? Because that's literally stated both in the movie and by the author.

No, I was disagreeing with you saying the only reason Vegeta was successful at all was because Beerus was doing it to taunt him.

[singsing]

Idk, from what I saw Beerus stomped Goku while using 70% of his power. After Vegeta's outburst, Beerus appeared out of the smoke without a single scratch and disappointment at the realization that Vegeta wasn't the Super Saiyan God. From WoG, Beerus is the strongest being in the history of Z. Meaning he's at least stronger than Super Vegetto, which is backed up by Goku stating not even fusion would be enough to beat Beerus.

My point is that Vegeta did manage to get some hits in that forced Beerus to recoil. Vegeta even whacked him with a full combo. SSJ3 Goku could not. The reason Beerus wasn't injured by Vegeta's attacks is because they weren't strong enough. In other words, there was enough "God-style Ki" in Vegeta's attack to get some licks in, but licks don't hurt. SSJ3 Goku had regular ki only, which was why he couldn't accomplish as much as SSJ Vegeta did, despite being much stronger.

Also, I'm not sure if you're saying that, but are you disagreeing with me saying Goku absorbed SSG's power? Because that's literally stated both in the movie and by the author.

No, I was disagreeing with you saying the only reason Vegeta was successful at all was because Beerus was doing it to taunt him.

How does Vegeta magically receive god ki from a rage boost?

[Hitiro]

Is the assumption that Vegeta had to have Godly Ki because Beerus said something like regular Ki can't harm him or something along those lines. Beerus could just be saying that their regular Ki, as it is right now, is not enough to do anything to him. In my opinion Godly Ki is a more potent Ki than regular Ki. If I were to put it a better way 1 value of regular Ki equates to 1 Battle Power, for instance. Whereas 1 Godly Ki value would equate to 10,000 Battle Power.