The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Kid Buu]

Hmm, how about the Mummy then?

Also Cyborg Tao in 22nd Budokai Tenshinhan's position?

[RandomGuy96]

Hmm, how about the Mummy then?

The Mummy would most likely win the 21st Budokai. Roshi said he probably would've beaten Goku from back then, but Roshi himself might have a chance with that move that puts people to sleep.

Chapter: 102, P13.4
Context: Kuririn asks Kame-sennin if Goku has a chance against the mummy fighter.
Kame-sennin: “As he was up until now, Goku probably wouldn’t have been able to win…However, it looks like he’s definitely gotten better through this later training…I wonder what will happen…”

[Kid Buu]

Okay, how about...instead of Tenshinhan in the 22nd Budokai, how about Daimao arc Yajirobe (before Toriyama seemed to recton his strength)?

I think he'd easily beat Yamcha, but not sure about Jackie Chun or Goku. Since he'd be pretty song, but doesn't have any Ki moves or anything.

[In Brightest Day]

The Invisible Man enters the 21st Budokai instead of Ran Fan. How does he fare?

Not well if he gets paired up with Nam. Yamcha was winning prior to Uranai Baba distracting him simply by listening to Invisible Man's footsteps, and then completely dominated him once he became visual... Yamcha should have still been sitting around his 21st Budokai level too. Without interference from Baba, Nam should only have minor difficulty here unless he isn't smart enough to simply listen. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Hmm, how about the Mummy then?

Mummy-kun was considered "incredibly fast" and "ferociously good" by Muten-Rôshi, who said that "up until now, Goku probably wouldn't have have been able to win."

Also Cyborg Tao in 22nd Budokai Tenshinhan's position?

IMO, he clears it with ease. Neither Son Goku or Kamesennin could do anything more than superficial damage, unless they could land a Kamehameha Wave.

[RandomGuy96]

Okay, how about...instead of Tenshinhan in the 22nd Budokai, how about Daimao arc Yajirobe (before Toriyama seemed to recton his strength)?

I think he'd easily beat Yamcha, but not sure about Jackie Chun or Goku. Since he'd be pretty song, but doesn't have any Ki moves or anything.

He would easily one-shot Yamcha, narrowly defeat Roshi (there was apparently a sizeable gap between Roshi and Goku/Ten), and lose to Goku after a hard fight. He was holding his own against Goku, despite being at a disadvantage, and Goku called him the most resilient guy he'd ever met.

[In Brightest Day]

Okay, how about...instead of Tenshinhan in the 22nd Budokai, how about Daimao arc Yajirobe (before Toriyama seemed to recton his strength)?

I think he'd easily beat Yamcha, but not sure about Jackie Chun or Goku. Since he'd be pretty song, but doesn't have any Ki moves or anything.

The thing with Yajirobe is that when we first see him he had basically only gotten stronger out of necessity, rather than a passion for martial arts/fighting like everyone else. We kind of see this later when he basically stops giving a shit when Karin gives him a place to chill, is forced to train with Kami and shows up at the Vegeta-Goku battlefield right on the eleventh hour. The point being, while everyone at the 22nd Budokai is going to have a tough time bringing him down basically due to a natural toughness on his part, his Ki control and strategy is pretty limited. I have him marginally weaker than Tenshinhan, so Goku is certainly waaaay too versatile to lose and while Roshi is still at a (somewhat smaller) power disadvantage, I would say he's cunning enough to at least pull off a ring-out.

Yajirobe would be wise to avoid taking Yamcha's Kamehameha head on. I don't think it would necessarily by an automatic KO, but it would wind the shit out of him and leave him vulnerable to an attack that Yamcha's certainly smart enough to capitalize on. With that said, if Yaji takes the fight 100% seriously unlike Tenshinhan he should win without too much trouble.

[Saiga]

Hmm, how about the Mummy then?

The Mummy would most likely win the 21st Budokai. Roshi said he probably would've beaten Goku from back then, but Roshi himself might have a chance with that move that puts people to sleep.

Chapter: 102, P13.4
Context: Kuririn asks Kame-sennin if Goku has a chance against the mummy fighter.
Kame-sennin: “As he was up until now, Goku probably wouldn’t have been able to win…However, it looks like he’s definitely gotten better through this later training…I wonder what will happen…”

What about Roshi's Electric Shock Surprise? He said it would kill Goku if he didn't concede and Roshi's quote makes it sound as though Mummy isn't too much stronger than Goku.

[Bullza]

Whose the strongest character Korin could beat?

[Hugo Boss]

Whose the strongest character Karin could beat?

22nd Tenkaichi Goku. I remember Karin saying Goku was almost stronger than him when he fought Piccolo the first time.

[TobyS]

Base Gohan (Cell Games I guess)
vs
Freeza.

We know that Goku didn't surpass Freeza in base.
But he could have got anywhere close to 10-90% for Beerus statement to still work.
We know that Gohan IS a lot stronger than Goku and SS Forms are only multipliers.
So Base Gohan was a lot stronger than Goku too...

Enough to take the space tyrant?

[Doctor.]

Base Gohan (Cell Games I guess)
vs
Freeza.

We know that Goku didn't surpass Freeza in base.
But he could have got anywhere close to 10-90% for Beerus statement to still work.
We know that Gohan IS a lot stronger than Goku and SS Forms are only multipliers.
So Base Gohan was a lot stronger than Goku too...

Enough to take the space tyrant?

Unless you're implying that Cell Games Base Gohan > BoG Base Goku, I don't see how this could be fair. Goku surpassed Gohan by the Boo arc, as Vegeta stated that SSJ2 Goku was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan at the Cell Games.

[Lord Beerus]

Base Gohan (Cell Games I guess)
vs
Freeza.

We know that Goku didn't surpass Freeza in base.
But he could have got anywhere close to 10-90% for Beerus statement to still work.
We know that Gohan IS a lot stronger than Goku and SS Forms are only multipliers.
So Base Gohan was a lot stronger than Goku too...

Enough to take the space tyrant?

Freez wins but barely. Gohan needs to go SSJ to take care of Freeza. That x50 multiplier is big difference.

[Bullza]

Wouldn't Base Goku in Battle of Gods be stronger than Base Gohan in the Cell Games saga though?

[TobyS]

Base Gohan (Cell Games I guess)
vs
Freeza.

We know that Goku didn't surpass Freeza in base.
But he could have got anywhere close to 10-90% for Beerus statement to still work.
We know that Gohan IS a lot stronger than Goku and SS Forms are only multipliers.
So Base Gohan was a lot stronger than Goku too...

Enough to take the space tyrant?

Unless you're implying that Cell Games Base Gohan > BoG Base Goku, I don't see how this could be fair. Goku surpassed Gohan by the Boo arc, as Vegeta stated that SSJ2 Goku was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan at the Cell Games.

Oh yeah, I was working backwards from Gohan obviously I can't count mystic as base, but before that he was weaker than he was at the cell games according to most people.

Lets assume Z-sword put him above his Cell games level, how does he fare now?

Alternatively, A hypothetical BoG era Gohan who never went Mystic but did train really hard so he is tougher than Goku.

Or a Mystic Gohan using what "would be his base power"

You get what I mean.

[Saiga]

So basically, you want to know how powerful Gohan's base could have potentially been, and if he would be capable of reaching the point where he could beat Freeza without Super Saiyan?

I think Goku, while not able to beat 100% Freeza with just his base, wasn't terribly far off. So I do think if Gohan trained probably or had his potential unlocked without the mystic state, he'd be able to defeat Freeza.

[Lord Beerus]

Videl vs Chi Chi

[Kamiccolo9]

Videl vs Chi Chi

Videl is nothing.

Chi-Chi has an official level of 130-something, and made it to the finals of the Tenkaichi Budokai back when that actually meant something.

[voltlunok]

Videl vs Chi Chi

Videl is nothing.

Chi-Chi has an official level of 130-something, and made it to the finals of the Tenkaichi Budokai back when that actually meant something.

Doesn't she also still have the Bansho fan as well? Cause if so then yeah Chi-Chi wrecks house! Either way my money is on battle mama.

[TheGmGoken]

Demigod(Xenoverse) vs Full Power BoG Goku

Ultimate Spiderman (Miles) vs 21st Tenkaichi Budokai Goku

[Kaboom]

Not really a VS question but how strong is SSJ4 Goku, when it first appears? Is it true that somewhere it was said to be equal to that of Super Vegito?

I'll count it as one anyway. It's hard to place any GT characters in direct comparison with Z characters, because the power scaling and "logic" for the former is all over the place. But we have an old quasi-guidebook statement saying that Vegetto's power is "perhaps" greater than a Super Saiyan 4. It's certainly at least possible, considering we never really witnessed Vegetto's full power in Z.

Any way you slice it, Super Saiyan 4 seemed to have rocketed Goku up to or beyond a level previously only achieved by extraordinary Fusions (i.e. those of himself and Vegeta).

Radraditz (Hypothetical Potara Fusion of 2 Raditzes) vs 1% Final Form Freeza
SSJ4 Gogeta (Buu Arc) vs Super Buu (Vegetto Absorbed)
Base Gogetto (Hypothetical Dance Fusion of 2 Vegettos) vs Super Buu (Omega Shenron Absorbed)

— Uh... My gut tells me that Mr. Quadruple Sunday would be roughly a match for 2nd-form Freeza (who is about 1% as strong as his true form's full power)[/i]. Anything more than that would be a bit too much for him.
— I'd say Gogeta would already be able to put up a fight against this Boo with Super Saiyan 3, but giving him SS4 seals the deal and gives him the win. Assuming Boo's body isn't already overloaded and disintegrated from within from trying to contain Vegetto's power.
— The only thing more omnipotent than one Vegetto is two Vegettos combined.

SSJ Goku (on Namek), SSJ Future Gohan, Piccolo (Android arc) and Kibito vs. Android #19, Cooler (transformed, Movie 5), Dr. Gero, King Cold, 100% Mecha Freeza and Yakon. [Both Androids are post-absorption.]

Vegeta (vs. 1st form Freeza) vs. Captain Ginyu, Dore, Neiz and Sauzer. [Ginyu can't switch bodies.]

— The heroes team has a slight edge in average power which just barely lets them overcome the villain team's superior numbers after a tough battle. Piccolo actually ends up doing more work than any of the Super Saiyans.
— One power of about 250k, versus 3 powers of almost 200k with a power of 120k as backup. I think Vegeta's ultimately going down, here. He won't make it easy, though, and will probably take one or two of them down with him.

Goten and/or Trunks VS M8 Broly

If it's Super Saiyan 1 Broli and the kids are at their post-RoSaT strength, then they can take him. If they're not, and/or it's "Legendary" form Broli... ouch. Two new red stains on the wall.

- Vegeta (vs. 1st form Freeza) vs. Son Gohan and Krillin (vs. 1st form Freeza), Son Goku (vs. Captain Ginyu) and Captain Ginyu.
- Shorty and Scarface vs. Toobi and Cabira.
- King Cold, Freeza, Cooler, Kuriza and their entire army vs. The Green Lantern Corps.

— If Goku's allowed to use the Kaio-Ken at any level beyond the basic 2x, they beat Vegeta. If not, then they probably won't.
— Dunno who you're talking about, so pass.
— I'm betting the Green Lanterns have the means, somehow and somewhere in their arsenal, to emerge victorious in an all-out takedown of Freeza's Planet Trade organization. Maybe not in a direct fight, but I would think they'd they'd figure out a way.

A Buu Saga SSJ4 Goku VS Buuhan

Super Saiyan 4 is almost as broken and overkill as Fusion. Even with the relatively "restrained" SS4 power estimations I use for my fanon stuff, it's still enough for Goku to take down Gohan-Boo.

Beerus vs Omega Shenron

My answer's the same as for every BoG-to-GT comparison or matchup: No good way to tell. These newly-introduced higher gods don't even seem to use the same type or grade of ki as everyone else. It's like comparing the feats of horses against unicorns.

The Invisible Man enters the 21st Budokai instead of Ran Fan. How does that fare?

I'm thinking he doesn't get far. Most of the contestants would be clever or skilled enough to counter his invisibility.

Hmm, how about the Mummy then?
Also Cyborg Tao in 22nd Budokai Tenshinhan's position?

— Roshi or Goku might be able to beat him, I guess. I dunno.
— He might make it far, but Goku or Tenshinhan would possibly still be a match for him.

Base Gohan (Cell Games I guess)
vs
Freeza.

We know that Goku didn't surpass Freeza in base. But he could have got anywhere close to 10-90% for Beerus statement to still work. We know that Gohan IS a lot stronger than Goku and SS Forms are only multipliers. So Base Gohan was a lot stronger than Goku too... Enough to take the space tyrant?

As already pointed out, Gohan was only stronger than Goku during the Cell Games. By the time of the Boo arc, Goku had surpassed him again. Add a few years on to that, but Goku STILL can't beat Freeza without Super Saiyan. I'd figure Boo-arc base Gohan to be "only" around Freeza's 50% level at best. That said...

Lets assume Z-sword put him above his Cell games level, how does he fare now?

Even if a day's worth of weight-training could do him that much good, I doubt it'd double his power or more, to the point that he's a match in base for 100% Freeza.

Alternatively, A hypothetical BoG era Gohan who never went Mystic but did train really hard so he is tougher than Goku.
Or a Mystic Gohan using what "would be his base power"
You get what I mean.

But assuming Gohan DIDN'T spend those 7 years slacking off, and trained his hardest the way Goku and Vegeta did... I don't know, really. He may well have been the first of the Saiyans to break through that particular ceiling and be a match for 100% Freeza without Super Saiyan.

Videl vs Chi Chi

Videl was stronger than normal, but was still only on a normal human level overall. She got some "Ki Usage for Beginners" lessons from Gohan, enough for her to learn to fly, but her actual power level isn't going to rise radically from just that.

Chichi, meanwhile, was a trained Turtle School student just like guys like Kuririn and Yamcha, and in terms of power level she's officially on-par with Muten Roshi. She's going to outright spank Videl in a fight any day of the week.

Demigod(Xenoverse) vs Full Power BoG Goku

Ultimate Spiderman (Miles) vs 21st Tenkaichi Budokai Goku

— I dunno. Ask again in a month when more people have played through Xenoverse's story.
— From what I've seen, Miles is a sucky fighter who gets cheap wins using his "Venom Blast" ability. It only tickles Goku, who proceeds to zip behind him and knock him out in one punch before Miles can even react to his spider-sense.