Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Doctor.]

So dead people get to keep their bodies now? I was under the impression that was only anime filler. This now raises the question; why didn't Vegeta get to retain his body, but Freeza somehow can?

It's pretty vague. All we got was a picture of Freeza in a cocoon. For all we know, and like I suggested, Freeza's face could just be there so that we (and the people in the DB World) recognize the soul, it doesn't mean he has his entire body.

Either that, or it's a retcon, but since it isn't pretty clear, I like my explanation the best.

[Rozay]

Yeah, four months of just standard training is pretty bullshit even if he's way more powerful than any other warrior in the world by default. But I'll reserve my right to really judge this only when I know everything about. Right now, it doesn't look like good writing though.

[Bullza]

Yeah all this stuff that's been coming out is actually making me doubt the movie more and more. Maybe the movie will play out differently but it looks like this movie is going to end up having a lot of contradictions and plot holes.

Frieza supposedly getting stronger than Buu in just 4 months is bullshit no matter what the excuse. If he could get that much stronger in so little time then he really had no business losing to Trunks.

And it really does look like it's going to just be a generic revenge movie aswell. Basically the same idea as before but on a bigger scale.

We'll see though.

[Herms]

He then becomes upset to know that he told Baba that Majin Buu and Beerus should not be able to get in his way.

...Huh? I'm guessing that's a mistranslation of...well, something else that would make a remote amount of sense. Maybe Freeza's talking about "papa" (aka Cold)?

[Tunjevina]

Freeza also learned that Goku defeated Majin Buu and later data was not collected on Goku and the others.

So Freeza doesn't know about SSJG, which means that he thinks it would only need 4 months to surpass Goku that defeated Boo.

New theory: During this 4 months of training he will learn about Goku's SSJG power, he realizes that he needs much more time to train to surpass that, so...HE GOES TO ROSAT

He then becomes upset to know that he told Baba that Majin Buu and Beerus should not be able to get in his way.

Am I the only one who doesn't understand this line?

[jjgp1112]

Goku became fucktardedly strong after 6 days of gravity training and yet a huge boost after 4 months of training is somehow a stretch.?

[AvatarReiko]

Either that, or it's a retcon, but since it isn't pretty clear, I like my explanation the best

Well, it is not the only recton. It appears that AT has also thorn out the "wishing people back to life after 1 year" rule

[Bullza]

I hope this isn't going to be a case of Frieza training for 4 months and him conveniently getting just strong enough to be on the same level as Goku and Vegeta and will just barely lose in the end which would only beg the question that if Frieza had simply trained for 5 months instead wouldn't he have been able to stomp both at the same time?

[Doctor.]

Either that, or it's a retcon, but since it isn't pretty clear, I like my explanation the best

Well, it is not the only recton. It appears that AT has also thorn out the "wishing people back to life after 1 year" rule

That was a rule imposed when you want to revive a large number of people.

Goku became fucktardedly strong after 6 days of gravity training and yet a huge boost after 4 months of training is somehow a stretch.?

He became 45x stronger in a training regiment which was much more than what his body could handle.

Freeza is gonna get thousands (if not millions) of times stronger. Granted, we don't know which method of training he'll use, but it's still a stretch.

Not to mention that SSJG level strength is a level Goku could never achieve with pure training.

Edit: I did the math. If Goku trained for 4 months under increased gravity, whilst getting consistent boosts, he would get 900x stronger. Even if Freeza is a prodigy, the difference between Base Goku and SSJ3 Gotenks alone is around 3200x.

[Lord Beerus]

Another picture.

Spoiler:

That is pure awesome!

[NitroEX]

Reading that manga summary just makes this sound more and more like a bad fanfic. 4 months of training will suddenly make him stronger than Cell, Buu & possibly SSG Goku? C'mon now..

[Herms]

He then becomes upset to know that he told Baba that Majin Buu and Beerus should not be able to get in his way.

Am I the only one who doesn't understand this line?

We kind of cross-posted, but yeah, not sure what the deal is there. My best guess is that he actually says "papa" (meaning Cold) and they misread it as "baba" (pretty easy to do in Japanese). Although the idea that Freeza and Roshi's sister are somehow old chums is pretty amusing.

[AvatarReiko]

I wonder if Cell also got keep his body.

[Chuquita]

Generic Revenge Movie is my biggest concern about this movie right now.

But I'm gonna hold on (because hope!) and see what news comes in the remaining weeks.

[Lord Beerus]

Reading that manga summary just makes this sound more and more like a bad fanfic. 4 months of training will suddenly make him stronger than Cell, Buu & possibly SSG Goku? C'mon now..

Freeza's race must have a Zenkai-ish style of power up when going through rigorous training. That, or Freeza race is the most brokenly powerful race ever. They must have an insane amount of latent power if it only takes them 4 months to become more powerful than Gods.

[Zephyr]

Goku became fucktardedly strong after 6 days of gravity training and yet a huge boost after 4 months of training is somehow a stretch.?

I've found that any new material that doesn't jive with the ten-plus years of rigorous headcanon is a "stretch", "inconsistency", or "plothole" to a lot of people.

I personally don't see the problem though. Shaking up the status quo like this adds helps keep things from getting mundane and predictable. Adds more layers of mystery to the world as well.

"Vegeta lost his body but Freeza has one? What gives?" Maybe there's more to the world than just black and white "good guys get X and bad guys get Y". Is it the result more of Toriyama forgetting things and less of an intention to shake things up? Possibly, but even if so the end result is still the same. The manga is a product of Toriyama's habits too, after all, and we have a rich and unpredictable Dragon World as a result. What these "inconsistencies" do is make the inner workings of the DW seem much less like something we can know everything about, and that's not a bad thing.

[Mewzard]

We kind of cross-posted, but yeah, not sure what the deal is there. My best guess is that he actually says "papa" (meaning Cold) and they misread it as "baba" (pretty easy to do in Japanese). Although the idea that Freeza and Roshi's sister are somehow old chums is pretty amusing.

Especially since Linda Young still voices Baba. Lots of fun to be had there.

Also, isn't Freeza a mutant, and unusually strong for his race (like his father)? I seem to recall hearing that. Might explain his strong start and rapid growth.

[Lord Beerus]

Goku became fucktardedly strong after 6 days of gravity training and yet a huge boost after 4 months of training is somehow a stretch.?

I don't think it's stretch. Hell, it kinds of frightening when you think about it. I mean, Freeza must have damn near limitless latent power if he can become stronger than a SSJ God in just 4 months. Makes if you wonder that possibly all of Freeza's race is like this. Because if so, they would be unstoppable.

[Dyno]

Four months to reach the Realm of Gods? You can't be serious...

And this thing started to hit my head, all this training stuff... Didn't Freeza said he used to train with his parents back in his Saga?

[Blade]

Goku became fucktardedly strong after 6 days of gravity training and yet a huge boost after 4 months of training is somehow a stretch.?

Well, Goku is an alien so... Erm, oh wait, so is Freeza.

But! But Goku's a prodigy and fighting genius! Oh, wait... yeah, Freeza too.



I think it's almost as though the years of there being no new Dragonball plot-lines has lulled the fanbase into feeling as if everything that has gone on before is unshakeable lore that's set in stone. It's really not so hard to get one's head around a lot of the new stuff if basic logic is applied, I mean, it's already more than implicit that Freeza arrogantly sat in his ruling position, paranoidly fearing the rise of the Saiyan's, but never questioning the idea in his own head of his strength ever being equaled or surpassed by any lower being - it's what makes his breakdown when fighting Goku all the more poignant. Being as freakishly powerful as he was, Freeza probably never lifted a finger to train his whole life (which has been stated as much recently) - it therefore stands to reason that with such absurd natural strength, that with training he could become much, much stronger.