Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by ACCloud » Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:45 am

*This was originally in response to a deleted post. As said post was removed, I decided to remove the quote. Just wanted to mention this in case something down there doesn't make sense =)*

I loved Battle of Gods (been a fan for nearly 15 years at this point), and am enjoying the information about Fukkatsu no F. I haven't found anything that I find to be a big inconsistency (honestly, I'm having trouble seeing the small ones), and I'm someone that usually worries about that sort of thing in other franchises. Constructive criticism is good, but considering we don't have all the answers yet (not by a long-shot, it seems), I think it might be more fun to speculate about what the answers to these potential inconsistencies could be :D

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:01 am

Gyt Kaliba wrote:But to take it to a level where you constantly disparage the original creator, saying 'man they suck nowadays, they should just stop and let other people take care of their creation', or 'they really shouldn't be allowed to write things anymore without someone holding their hand or at least watching over their shoulder', or so on?That, to me, seems to be flying in the face of the truth that, without those original authors, you wouldn't have the material that you do like anymore either. So if they still feel like they have stories to tell, and other affiliated parties agree and decide to produce said new material, then they should be allowed to put out this new material. And while it's definitely fair game for people to like or dislike said material, I don't really think it's right for there to be so much vitriol thrown the author's way either. Just an iota more respect shown to the people who gave you material that you love, that you've made it a point to come to a community dedicated to one of those works, is all I would ask, personally.
I agree with almost everything you are saying, except the bolded stuff. In a case like this with Toriyama, is that really that fair of a statement? Yeah he's the original author of the content we on this forum love. I personally love pretty much every work he puts out and I still fully support him writing whatever stories he wants to tell, but I honestly don't think its disrespectful or anything to desire that someone just glance over what he writes and point out some minor corrections for the sake of consistency (once again, things like dates, character ages, number of wishes, how dead bodies work, etc). Why? Because I think it is very important to note that said original content (the manga) that we came to love only came to be what it is in the first place because he had people watching over his shoulders in the form of his editors. Of course things can never turn out perfect, but they did try to keep him in line and help maintain some of the consistency, as well as reject ideas they didn't think were for the good of the series/popular with the fans.
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:12 am

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:I agree with almost everything you are saying, except the bolded stuff. In a case like this with Toriyama, is that really that fair of a statement? Yeah he's the original author of the content we on this forum love. I personally love pretty much every work he puts out and I still fully support him writing whatever stories he wants to tell, but I honestly don't think its disrespectful or anything to desire that someone just glance over what he writes and point out some minor corrections for the sake of consistency (once again, things like dates, character ages, number of wishes, how dead bodies work, etc). Why? Because I think it is very important to note that said original content (the manga) that we came to love only came to be what it is in the first place because he had people watching over his shoulders in the form of his editors. Of course things can never turn out perfect, but they did try to keep him in line and help maintain some of the consistency, as well as reject ideas they didn't think were for the good of the series/popular with the fans.
I knew there was something I forgot to have in my post, thanks for bringing this up.

To clarify, I do agree that it's probably a good idea for Toriyama (or any manga author, or author in general) to have an editor or someone, even if it's just a friend or relative, to look over their work and make sure it's the best it can be. Toriyama's editors are a big part of what made Dragon Ball as we know it into what it is, just as Toei and the voice cast and Kikuchi are all responsible as well for making the anime version we know into what it is (it all goes back to Toriyama and his editors at the start of course though). So I do agree that it'd be nice if we had someone who would do that for Toriyama now.

What I was decrying with that comment though was the spirit in which it normally seems to be said, as if Toriyama completely on his own is incapable of giving us interesting material. I might be putting words in people's mouths, but it just normally seems to be coming from a place of throwing even more accusations at Toriyama, rather than just wishing for even more consistent material.

Like I said, I can't control what people think or what they say, and I'd never want to nor should anyone else, but all I ask is just the slightest nod of respect to the guy who started it all, ya know?
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by EmmaWinters » Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:20 am

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Well, she hates Freeza at any rate. ... Freeza is Nozawa's standard answer when asked which DB character she hates most of all, but in a "love to hate" sort of way.
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:30 am

On a completely different note, I was thinking about the theory of Goten and Trunks dying in this movie (either being mistaken for their father/future counterpart, or just as part of Freeza's vengeance), and while I still kind of doubt it'll happen...well, I got to thinking that if it did happen, the only way it would fly is if we were for sure getting a third movie, or they just end this one saying they're going to use the Namekian Dragon Balls to wish them back, since both boys have died and been brought back before...but thinking back, that was via the Namekian Dragon Balls. So...Shenron would still be able to revive them, wouldn't he? Or was the 'can only wish someone back once' rule entirely firm on all sides, rather than just applying to people that Shenron personally had brought back once before?
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Fukkatsu no F"

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:38 am

Gyt Kaliba wrote:I knew there was something I forgot to have in my post, thanks for bringing this up.
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Like I said, I can't control what people think or what they say, and I'd never want to nor should anyone else, but all I ask is just the slightest nod of respect to the guy who started it all, ya know?
Nah, I get where you're coming from and I agree with it to. I can't really defend Dragon Ball Minus, but even though a lot of people like the other stuff he's written lately, it foes feel like the people who don't enjoy it just go overboard with the hate. I just wanted to point out the editor thing though because I feel it helps to complete both sides of that discussion.
Gyt Kaliba wrote: So...Shenron would still be able to revive them, wouldn't he? Or was the 'can only wish someone back once' rule entirely firm on all sides, rather than just applying to people that Shenron personally had brought back once before?
Nah, the rule applies in general. It's not dragon specific. Gohan worries about everyone at the Cell Games being unable to revive afterward if things go bad (via Shenlong), though Tenshihan and Yamcha had only been restored via Porunga.
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Post by EmmaWinters » Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:41 am

^ The Majin Buu panel.
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:42 am

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:Nah, the rule applies in general. It's not dragon specific. Gohan worries about everyone at the Cell Games being unable to revive afterward if things go bad (via Shenlong), though Tenshihan and Yamcha had only been restored via Porunga.
Ahh, that's right. So supposing something did happen to Goten or Trunks (or anyone else in the movie), we would need either some kind of on-or-off-screen notification that they're using the Namekian Balls again, or it'd be some kind of lead-in for a follow-up, probably.
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Post by Mr.Judge » Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:48 am

Toyotarō/Akira Toriyama illustrations in manga special of what Freeza considers an hell is actually quite funny.
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Post by Kakarot9001 » Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:55 am

lord turbo wrote:...I ain't trying to be a dick here, but this is what I'm observing so far from Toriyama. Oddly enough, Oda from One Piece is the kind of explaining every single inconsistent that's in One Piece in a reasonable fashion it seems, even if most his answers are somewhat comical.
You're right it is like Toriyama don't really care that those plot holes let us fans disappointed...
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Post by ssjjanemba » Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:08 am

Anyone else rooting on Freeza to kill beerus? lol.
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Post by sintzu » Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:18 am

ssjjanemba wrote:Anyone else rooting on Freeza to kill beerus? lol.
I think if anyone is going to die it'll be Trunks.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:44 am

I haven't been keeping up with this thread for a week, so what pages from the FnF manga have been leaked?
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Post by EmmaWinters » Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:46 am

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I haven't been keeping up with this thread for a week, so what pages from the FnF manga have been leaked?
A small handful. You're better off just reading the synopsis on the main site and waiting for someone to release the full thing.

Here's everything I have if you're interested. If I'm missing anything, someone let me know.

Here's the preview of chapter 2. The only thing worth mentioning is
that Whis seems to be training them, and their fight woke up Beerus.
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Post by Beerus-sama » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:05 am

ssjjanemba wrote:Anyone else rooting on Freeza to kill beerus? lol.
Why is this the first thing I wake up to read? :lol:

anything new since the last 5 pages? (lazy to read :P )
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Post by EmmaWinters » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:06 am

Beerus-sama wrote:anything new since the last 5 pages (lazy to read :P )
Not really, just what I linked to.
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Post by Beerus-sama » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:08 am

FatNagger69 wrote:
Beerus-sama wrote:anything new since the last 5 pages (lazy to read :P )
Not really, just what I linked to.
Thanks :D
I'm looking right now, I haven't seen that first page of the manga before, looking forward to see more :mrgreen:
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:14 am

I'm curious if they're going to show how Whis training Goku and Vegeta came about exactly. I mean, it's clear that both of them were of interest to him, as well as Beerus (even if Beerus wasn't nearly as willing to admit it), but other than that, there wasn't really even much suggestion that it would happen...even though pretty much all of us totally called it. So did Goku (dragging Vegeta along no doubt) somehow approach Whis about it, or did Whis approach them about it after Beerus went back to sleep?

It also just occurred to me that this is the first time Goku's trained under a new master since Kaio.
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Post by EmmaWinters » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:19 am

Gyt Kaliba wrote:I'm curious if they're going to show how Whis training Goku and Vegeta came about exactly.
I doubt it will be covered much in the manga, but I'm sure the movie will expand on it. The first chapter feels like it skipped a lot of what we're going to see at the beginning in order to room for Freeza's appearance.
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