Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Lord Beerus]

Tenshinhan stoped Cell for a while yes, I doubt Krillin could do that, same for Super Boo (Gotenks Absorbed)

Tien stopped Cell for a grand total of 30 seconds before passing out. Tien also did not stop Super Boo (Gotenks Absorbed). He deflected a ki blast from him. That's it.

He is contradicting his own manga, even in the anime if you ignore filler parts you will conclude that Tenshinhan > Krillin

How Toriyama contradicting his own manga when no one ever says that Tien is stronger than Krillin.

[rereboy]

Tenshinhan stopped Cell for a grand total of 30 seconds before passing out. Tenshinhan also did not stop Super Boo (Gotenks Absorbed). He deflected a ki blast from him. That's it.

Which are better feats than anything Krillin did after Namek. Honestly, if Yamcha's quote didn't exist and Toriyama had never talked about who is stronger, would anyone even think that Krillin is stronger?

[Chuquita]

Reading that Zoro's (from One Piece) VA is voicing Tagoma. Out of curiosity, did he voice him at the Jump Festa panel when they had people temp voicing?

[fadeddreams5]

Tenshinhan stopped Cell for a grand total of 30 seconds before passing out. Tenshinhan also did not stop Super Boo (Gotenks Absorbed). He deflected a ki blast from him. That's it.

Which are better feats than anything Krillin did after Namek. Honestly, if Yamcha's quote didn't exist and Toriyama had never talked about who is stronger, would anyone even think that Krillin is stronger?

Didn't Yamcha say that to Krillin's daughter? What else was he supposed to say? "Don't worry. Your dad is the 2nd strongest earthling in the world!" lol

[Dyno]

Didn't Yamcha say that to Krillin's daughter? What else was he supposed to say? "Don't worry. Your dad is the 2nd strongest earthling in the world!" lol

Yep, that is why you can't take that line seriously. Yamcha said that to a child.

[Kakarot9001]

Tenshinhan stoped Cell for a while yes, I doubt Krillin could do that, same for Super Boo (Gotenks Absorbed)

Tenshinhan stopped Cell for a grand total of 30 seconds before passing out. Tenshinhan also did not stop Super Boo (Gotenks Absorbed). He deflected a ki blast from him. That's it.

He is contradicting his own manga, even in the anime if you ignore filler parts you will conclude that Tenshinhan > Krillin

How Toriyama contradicting his own manga when no one ever says that Tenshinhan is stronger than Krillin.

And Krillin could do the same? Deflect a Ki Blast from Super Boo (Gotenks Absorbed)? I don't think so.

It was never stated, right... But it is implied.

[Kamiccolo9]

Didn't Yamcha say that to Krillin's daughter? What else was he supposed to say? "Don't worry. Your dad is the 2nd strongest earthling in the world!" lol

Yep, that is why you can't take that line seriously. Yamcha said that to a child.

He said "you're dad is the strongest there is" to Marron.

He added "Among Earthlings, at least," in his head. He had no reason to lie to himself.

[Kaboom]

A straightforward statement from the manga says Kuririn's the strongest Earthling, the guides and new promotional material all say Kuririn's the strongest Earthling, and even the author says says Kuririn's the strongest Earthling. The same things all treat and group Tenshinhan as an Earthling too. Nothing exists to contradict any of them. Therefore Kuririn is stronger than Tenshinhan. Period.

The last time they were directly and tangibly compared was during the Saiyan arc, and even then their battle powers were almost equal, with Kuririn already rapidly closing the previously large gap between them. The way things were going, he was already on-track to surpass Tenshinhan even BEFORE receiving a massive, dormant power-unlocking boost from the Grand Elder of Namek.

Tenshinhan's oh-so-impressive "feats" during the Cell and Boo arcs involved the Kikoho, an incredibly potent attack much stronger than Ten himself. So if you want to claim that they somehow indicate that he's stronger than Kuririn, you'd have to prove that Kuririn couldn't do the same things if he used the Kikoho as well, which is impossible.

Since nothing in the manga goes against it, there's also no good reason to doubt the official 75,000 number for Kuririn when he fought Freeza, beyond simply not WANTING to think he's that strong, because one WANTS him to be weaker to support the baseless idea that Tenshinhan surpassed him.

There is ZERO worthwhile reason to fly in the face of the manga, guides, and author, and insist that Tenshinhan somehow must be stronger than Kuririn. There's only shallow surface-level judgment ("The tall and buff guy who kept training MUST be stronger than the short guy who retired!"), or just plain ol' fashioned fanboyism for Tenshinhan.

If anyone wants to keep pointlessly bellyaching about it and display their willful ignorance for everyone to see, then make a new thread in the in-universe section. Because not only is it an incredibly vapid waste of time, it's also pretty off-topic for a thread about the new movie.

[Careless Saiyajin]

A straightforward statement from the manga says Kuririn's the strongest Earthling, the guides and new promotional material all say Kuririn's the strongest Earthling, and even the author says says Kuririn's the strongest Earthling. The same things all treat and group Tenshinhan as an Earthling too. Nothing exists to contradict any of them. Therefore Kuririn is stronger than Tenshinhan. Period.

The last time they were directly and tangibly compared was during the Saiyan arc, and even then their battle powers were almost equal, with Kuririn already rapidly closing the previously large gap between them. The way things were going, he was already on-track to surpass Tenshinhan even BEFORE receiving a massive, dormant power-unlocking boost from the Grand Elder of Namek.

Tenshinhan's oh-so-impressive "feats" during the Cell and Boo arcs involved the Kikoho, an incredibly potent attack much stronger than Ten himself. So if you want to claim that they somehow indicate that he's stronger than Kuririn, you'd have to prove that Kuririn couldn't do the same things if he used the Kikoho as well, which is impossible.

Since nothing in the manga goes against it, there's also no good reason to doubt the official 75,000 number for Kuririn when he fought Freeza, beyond simply not WANTING to think he's that strong, because one WANTS him to be weaker to support the baseless idea that Tenshinhan surpassed him.

There is ZERO worthwhile reason to fly in the face of the manga, guides, and author, and insist that Tenshinhan somehow must be stronger than Kuririn. There's only shallow surface-level judgment ("The tall and buff guy who kept training MUST be stronger than the short guy who retired!"), or just plain ol' fashioned fanboyism for Tenshinhan.

If anyone wants to keep pointlessly bellyaching about it and display their willful ignorance for everyone to see, then make a new thread in the in-universe section. Because not only is it an incredibly vapid waste of time, it's also pretty off-topic for a thread about the new movie.

This post was incredibly well put together, i feel more informed after simply reading it. (And i don't favor one character over another, i do however favor reasoning that is this well stated).

[Lord Beerus]

I think people are just upset that the whole Krillin/Tien debate has officially been ended by Toriyama, despite that fact that Toriyama already stated that Krillin was the strongest Earthling in the past already, and now people just can't accept it and are basically trying to re-write story or pass of theories as facts.

Chapter: 439 (DBZ 245), P3.2-3
Context: as Kuririn goes up against Punter
Marron: “That person dad’s fighting is big and looks strong…I wonder if he’ll be alright?...”
Yamcha: “It’s fine, fine! Someone like that doesn’t matter at all! Your father is the strongest in the world! Among Earthlings…”

My two cents

A straightforward statement from the manga says Kuririn's the strongest Earthling, the guides and new promotional material all say Kuririn's the strongest Earthling, and even the author says says Kuririn's the strongest Earthling. The same things all treat and group Tenshinhan as an Earthling too. Nothing exists to contradict any of them. Therefore Kuririn is stronger than Tenshinhan. Period.

The last time they were directly and tangibly compared was during the Saiyan arc, and even then their battle powers were almost equal, with Kuririn already rapidly closing the previously large gap between them. The way things were going, he was already on-track to surpass Tenshinhan even BEFORE receiving a massive, dormant power-unlocking boost from the Grand Elder of Namek.

Tenshinhan's oh-so-impressive "feats" during the Cell and Boo arcs involved the Kikoho, an incredibly potent attack much stronger than Ten himself. So if you want to claim that they somehow indicate that he's stronger than Kuririn, you'd have to prove that Kuririn couldn't do the same things if he used the Kikoho as well, which is impossible.

Since nothing in the manga goes against it, there's also no good reason to doubt the official 75,000 number for Kuririn when he fought Freeza, beyond simply not WANTING to think he's that strong, because one WANTS him to be weaker to support the baseless idea that Tenshinhan surpassed him.

There is ZERO worthwhile reason to fly in the face of the manga, guides, and author, and insist that Tenshinhan somehow must be stronger than Kuririn. There's only shallow surface-level judgment ("The tall and buff guy who kept training MUST be stronger than the short guy who retired!"), or just plain ol' fashioned fanboyism for Tenshinhan.

If anyone wants to keep pointlessly bellyaching about it and display their willful ignorance for everyone to see, then make a new thread in the in-universe section. Because not only is it an incredibly vapid waste of time, it's also pretty off-topic for a thread about the new movie.

Thank you so bloody much Kaboom.

It couldn't have been worded any better.

[miguelnuva1]

Tien Stopping Cell only means the Tri-Beam has a lot of knock back power not that Tien is strong. Cell can flying into the beam and was fine when Tien passed out.

[Kamiccolo9]

Chapter: 439 (DBZ 245), P3.2-3
Context: as Kuririn goes up against Punter
Marron: “That person dad’s fighting is big and looks strong…I wonder if he’ll be alright?...”
Yamcha: “It’s fine, fine! Someone like that doesn’t matter at all! Your father is the strongest in the world! Among Earthlings…”

Posting the quote alone doesn't do the statement justice. The "among Earthlings" part is what Yamcha is thinking to himself. He's not trying to make Marron feel better there, because that portion of the quote is in Yamcha's head.

[Kakarot9001]

A straightforward statement from the manga says Kuririn's the strongest Earthling, the guides and new promotional material all say Kuririn's the strongest Earthling, and even the author says says Kuririn's the strongest Earthling. The same things all treat and group Tenshinhan as an Earthling too. Nothing exists to contradict any of them. Therefore Kuririn is stronger than Tenshinhan. Period.

The last time they were directly and tangibly compared was during the Saiyan arc, and even then their battle powers were almost equal, with Kuririn already rapidly closing the previously large gap between them.

Tenshinhan's oh-so-impressive "feats" during the Cell and Boo arcs involved the Kikoho, an incredibly potent attack much stronger than Ten himself. So if you want to claim that they somehow indicate that he's stronger than Kuririn, you'd have to prove that Kuririn couldn't do the same things if he used the Kikoho as well, which is impossible.

Since nothing in the manga goes against it, there's also no good reason to doubt the official 75,000 number for Kuririn when he fought Freeza, beyond simply not WANTING to think he's that strong, because one WANTS him to be weaker to support the baseless idea that Tenshinhan surpassed him.

There is ZERO worthwhile reason to fly in the face of the manga, guides, and author, and insist that Tenshinhan somehow must be stronger than Kuririn. There's only shallow surface-level judgment ("The tall and buff guy who kept training MUST be stronger than the short guy who retired!"), or just plain ol' fashioned fanboyism for Tenshinhan.

If anyone wants to keep pointlessly bellyaching about it and display their willful ignorance for everyone to see, then make a new thread in the in-universe section. Because not only is it an incredibly vapid waste of time, it's also pretty off-topic for a thread about the new movie.

75,000 PL, huh? So did Krillin got a Zenkai or what? Because for me 75,000 PL is an avereage Ginyu Tokusentai member PL and if I remember correctly Krillin got owned by Recoome.

Krillin slacked off, Tien kept training, also Yamcha lied, he didn't see Tien for years... How the heck he should conclude something like that? Tien in Boo Saga is stronger than before, yes.

[JulieYBM]

I kind of doubt we'll see any of this in Fukkatsu no F, but it would be nice to see Toriyama write a Gokuu and Kuririn storyline again some time.

[Kaboom]

In case nobody got the hint, my post's final chunk here...

If anyone wants to keep pointlessly bellyaching about it and display their willful ignorance for everyone to see, then make a new thread in the in-universe section. Because not only is it an incredibly vapid waste of time, it's also pretty off-topic for a thread about the new movie.

...Was a moderation "suggestion" to abandon or relocate the steady stream of denial about Kuririn being stronger than Tenshinhan, since it's off-topic. Either drop it or make a new thread.

[Retan]

I kind of doubt we'll see any of this in Fukkatsu no F, but it would be nice to see Toriyama write a Gokuu and Kuririn storyline again some time.

No it wouldn't Kuririn may or may not be stronger then Tien, he still sucks as a character.

[DBZAOTA482]

I kind of doubt we'll see any of this in Fukkatsu no F, but it would be nice to see Toriyama write a Gokuu and Kuririn storyline again some time.

No it wouldn't Kuririn may or may not be stronger then Tenshinhan, he still sucks as a character.

Watch your mouth, man! Kuririn's my 2nd favorite character and I can't have you diss him.

[Retan]

Watch yours, I have a right to my opinion, got it!?!

[Barunks]

I don't know about why everyone is going on about Tien vs Krillin but I just wanted to say that I'd be cool if present trunks and goten are out and time patrol Trunks is in baby!


BTW but if I had to put my two cents on this random debate I'd say Toriyama is as wrong about krillin being stronger as he was when he said he gave Vegeta a mustache. The man can make mistakes people.

Edit: He wasn't the one who gave Vegeta a mustache, right?

[Kaboom]

Any and all further "Kuririn Vs Tenshinhan" posts after this one will be deleted at least for the rest of the day. Discuss it in a new thread or not at all.