Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[KentalSSJ6]

You do know there is no more "going god" with Goku right? He absorbed SSJG into his body and no longer has to transform to use it's power. It's literally his base power now.

[Sora Saiyan]

mAcChaos. Yes a current Vegetto would be an insane amount stronger than Goku and Vegeta.

[Herms]

If I could ask, why does Ti-en become Tenshinhan, but names like Krillin remain as written?

I don't know, the filter was set up on the forum years before I even began posting here, let alone became part of the staff, so I didn't have a hand in deciding what would or wouldn't get filtered. If I had to guess, maybe it's because "Krillin" is still a straightforward way of transliterating the kana for the character's name (クリリン/Kuririn) even if it doesn't match the name pun (栗/kuri, "chestnut). Whereas "Ti'en" completely ditches 2/3rds of the character's name, and uses the Chinese reading for the first third rather than the Japanese reading. It's complicated though, because using the Chinese reading arguably fits the name pun better: he's named after the dish 天津飯tenshinhan, which means "Tianjin rice" since it was supposedly made with rice from Tianjin, China ("Tian" and "Ti'en" are both ways of spelling the Chinese reading of the character 天 in the city's name). So arguably the only real issue with "Ti'en" is how it ditches the "shinhan" in his name, and even then Funi has been using "Ti'en Shinhan" as the character's full name for years, even if most of the time they go with simply "Ti'en". Of course, to me "Ti'en Shinhan" looks really weird because it's mixing and matching Chinese and Japanese in a way that doesn't quite make sense, but that's not necessarily the sort of thing that warrants having a word filter to change (and anyway, the filter changes "Ti'en Shinhan" to "Tenshinhan Shinhan", which is obviously worse).

Sorry, that was a bit rambling, but it boils down to "I don't know, but presumably it seemed to make sense at the time".

[freezamite]

Coola could train 4 months to surpass SSJ4

We'd need to know how much of a multiplier SSJ4 is to begin with.

I saw a theory in a site that could be applied:

- Oozaru = x10

- Super Saiyan = x50
- Ascended Super Saiyan = x55
- Ultra Super Saiyan = x65
- Full Power Super Saiyan = x65

- Super Saiyan 2 = x75
- Super Saiyan 3 = x85
- Super Saiyan God = x90

- Golden Oozaru = x95
- Super Saiyan 4 = x100

I think numbers would be more like:
SSJ = between 3x and 10x
Full power SSJ = between 15x and 40x
SSJ2 = between 20x and 50x
SSJ3 = between 22x and 55x

Regarding the multiplication range, it depends on the first stage of the SSJ. If one chooses to consider the basic SSJ a 3x increase then it would be 15x for full power, 20x for SSJ2 and 22x for SSJ3. On the other hand, if we take 10x for the basic SSJ then it's 40x for FPSSJ, 50x for SSJ2 and 55x for SSJ3.

Those are the two most plausible possibilities in my opinion!

[Sora Saiyan]

We actually do have official numbers for the SSJ multipliers up to 3. Do you not follow them Freezamite?

[lord turbo]

FutureGohanSSJ2, I'm going to make a a thread about this argument between us so we don't clutter this thread for being off topic so VegettoEX or anyone else don't have to remind us of that. I'll PM the link to the thread when I'm done making it.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

We actually do have official numbers for the SSJ multipliers up to 3. Do you not follow them Freezamite?

I don't think he does. He thinks Freeza's 100% power is as strong as Cell's perfect form if I remember correctly.

[lord turbo]

And how could SSJ4 be less powerful than SSJG?

Super Saiyan God boosts Goku's powers significantly more than what Super Saiyan 4 does. I'm not entirely sure if this is true but I'm sure I read on here once that Super Saiyan 4 Goku was comparable to Super Vegito whereas Super Saiyan God Goku could be far stronger than SSJ3 Vegito.

It is stated in one of the anime comics for GT that Vegetto is perhaps even stronger than a SSJ4, we know Beerus is stronger than Vegetto, and so is God Goku IMO, both by a wide margin.

The only problem with that is GT was still in production while the supplement material Perfect Files and such was being made so things obviously got changed along the way, similar to the Pan doesn't have enough Saiyajin blood to turn SSJ yet Goku and Vegeta jr. can. The Vegetto comparison is one of them since in the actual series Bebi Vegeta turns into Super Bebi Vegeta after absorbing the Saiyajin ki from Bra, Trunks, Goten, and Gohan and states he has now attained the greatest of Saiyajin power, Goku agrees saying he's telling the truth.. This automatically puts Super Bebi Vegeta above Vegetto if he was already as regular Bebi Vegeta. Of course SSJ4 Goku is superior to Oozaru Super Baby Vegeta who is ten times stronger than Super Baby Vegeta due to the 10x multiplier from oozaru so SSJ4 Goku is actually many times beyond Vegetto.

[Sora Saiyan]

We actually do have official numbers for the SSJ multipliers up to 3. Do you not follow them Freezamite?

I don't think he does. He thinks Freeza's 100% power is as strong as Cell's perfect form if I remember correctly.

Well that's... new. Quite curious what makes him think that, if this is indeed the case.

[kei17]

Whereas "Ti'en" completely ditches 2/3rds of the character's name, and uses the Chinese reading for the first third rather than the Japanese reading. It's complicated though, because using the Chinese reading arguably fits the name pun better: he's named after the dish 天津飯tenshinhan, which means "Tianjin rice" since it was supposedly made with rice from Tianjin, China ("Tian" and "Ti'en" are both ways of spelling the Chinese reading of the character 天 in the city's name).

Tenshinhan is a pseudo-Chinese dish which originates in Japan. There's no corresponding dishes in China.

[sailorspazz]

Super exciting surprise while I was working today! So there's a TV at the store that plays broadcasts from TV Japan (a special subscription channel that plays Japanese language content). I happened to walk near the TV and notice there were Fukkatsu no F images playing! It looked similar to some images that were posted recently with scenes of animators (well, recently in real time...in thread time, probably dozens of pages ago by now ), but I started snapping pics with my phone anyway in case something new came up (hindsight tells me I should have just used the goddamn video function, but I was too excited to think straight!). There were shots of Gokuu being sketched, that shot of Vegeta's behind Vegeta from behind (in motion! he flies up into the air afterward), and the sketch I've posted below, which I don't recall seeing yet:


I don't remember seeing anything else new, and after the Fukkatsu no F stuff it went on to talk generally about the popularity of anime around the world. But I was just blown away that I could be going about my day and suddenly be treated to some tidbits from the movie I so desperately want to see!

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

I believe this is the full segment here:
http://video.fc2.com/content/20150224FZZxqWSa
It appears that most of the Dragon Ball-related stuff occurs towards the start of the video, approximately from the third minute and through to the seventh.

[sailorspazz]

Yep, thanks for that! Though this is making me stay up way later than I intended The part where they go into the studio is around 4:30.

So listening to the audio this time around, they're not giving any new information about the movie (it's about business and stuff), but it's a nice way to see some of those visuals in motion!

[KentalSSJ6]

So weird hearing Schemmel's Goku on a Japanese video.

[freezamite]

We actually do have official numbers for the SSJ multipliers up to 3. Do you not follow them Freezamite?

You mean those "official" numbers taken from the Daizenshuu? The same ones even Toriyama had to explain in an interview that didn't represent what he had drawn on the manga?

Well that's... new. Quite curious what makes him think that, if this is indeed the case.

It's the case but I don't think this is the place to do it. If you're that curious I can explain why I think this through private messages! XD

[lord turbo]

Whoops, sorry, wrong thread.

[VegettoEX]

Folks, please keep these off-topic (not to mention dismissive, sarcastic, rude, and quite frankly, absolutely-intolerable-at-this-point) battle power arguments to their own separate threads. This thread flies fast and furious as it is, and with so many thousands upon thousands of eyes watching the website and even this particular thread for news, it becomes pretty embarrassing for us (as it should be for you) to have to keep babysitting such madness.

[Bullza]

Maybe... Maybe he's turning over the leaf in the 2017 Dragon Ball Z movie?! Imagine Freeza having held a grudge against the Saiyans, when they get in the pinch, Freeza will interfere to save them? That may be the start of their rivalry.

Oh god no, that'd be an horrendous idea.

[Sora Saiyan]

We actually do have official numbers for the SSJ multipliers up to 3. Do you not follow them Freezamite?

You mean those "official" numbers taken from the Daizenshuu? The same ones even Toriyama had to explain in an interview that didn't represent what he had drawn on the manga?

Well that's... new. Quite curious what makes him think that, if this is indeed the case.

It's the case but I don't think this is the place to do it. If you're that curious I can explain why I think this through private messages! XD

See I find they actually do fit, especially when we have a kaio-Ken x 20 just getting to Freezas 50%, a 50 x increase works really well. Kaio Ken definitely becomes outdone by SSJ in power alone. It is getting off topic now though


Lord Turbo

I actually have no way to respond in universe, unless it's as simple as forgetting or hyperbole. It doesn't make sense with Rou Kaioshin stating something like SSJ4 is the strongest ki he's sensed, when this guide states Vegetto might actually be stronger. It doesn't really work unless they just forgot or over exaggerated.

Edit: Sorry Vegetto EX just seen your post.

[dbgtFO]

As I said back when Freeza was first revealed, he's going to become a good guy totally explaining Neko Majin Z

Huge speculation incoming!
Given Toriyama's liking for Superman and his origin, I predict that the movie will end in a similar way to how Justice League Unlimited ended given how much it mirrors those final episodes so far:
Darkseid, Superman's worst enemy, is revived and he's even stronger than he was the last time around and immediately brings his fractious army under control and sets out to attack Earth with all his men. Lex Luthor goes to warn Superman and the JL and they agree to work together to fight against the incoming invasion.
A tough battle ensues and the main members of the League and Luthor gets to face off against Darkseid, whereas the supporting cast fights the army.
Superman reveals his full power, but is unable to defeat Darkseid. Lex Luthor having been to another realm arrives on the scene and offers Darkseid "The anti-life-equation" and they depart to another realm or something ending the battle.

I could see something like that happen with Freeza getting offered another universe by Whis or something after everyone has failed to defeat him and then they depart with Freeza possibly becoming God of Destruction in another universe.
I think Whis is training Goku and Vegeta, because he is aware of Freeza being revived and knows that he'll be a tought opponent and so wants to test them to see who will be the next God of Destruction. Goku goes first and fails, then Vegeta gives it a try and runs Freeza really close, but Freeza still wins and as he's about to finish it Whis arrives and offers the position to him. I think that's what will happen given Nakao's alluding to Freeza surviving.

When I look at it this also reminds me of the first avenger movie, where the villain invades Earth with a huge army.
The Dragon Ball version of:
Loki: "I have an army!"
Tony Stark: "We have a hulk."
..couldn't be more fitting:

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