BOG supports Kid Buu=God tier

[AvatarReiko]

So, this guy on Comic vine who is arguing that Goku>Mystic Gohan. Not only that, but he is convinced that the new information from BOG as well as statements from the manga, points to Kid Buu being god tier, and settles the Super Buu/Kid Buu. This notion is utterly ridiculous if you ask me.

So long story short, his arguments are this...

1.) Goku, after mastering/absorbing the SSJGod power and receiving training from Whis, still looks forward to a fight with the reincarnated Kid Buuand asks Mr. Buu to rig the tournament seedings so he can fight Uub when they're both at full power. Why would Goku think a reincarnated Kid Buu would be a match for him if he were really weaker than Gotenks or Gohan? Goku also states that someone other than them(the z-senshu)could win the budokai.

2.) Old Kai states that the person who sealed him in the Z-sword(who we now know to be Beerus) was in the same weight class as Buu.

3.) Goku states(when Vegeta contemplates killing Kid Buu)that if they hadn't played their part in ensuring the Genki Dama's success, that everyone would have died. This statement would be wrong if Gohan or Gotenks can just come in any time and save the day.

Just wanted to get your thoughts on this.

[rereboy]

1) a reincarnation of Kid Buu doesn't have to be only as strong as Kid Buu was, especially if he is trained to his fullest. If anything the new movie with Freeza indicates that villains like Freeza, Cell and Kid Buu could be way stronger than they were in the manga with the right conditions given their amazing potential. Also, its obvious that those statements were made in the context of the manga where Beerus and SSJG hadn't been thought up yet.

2) that was millions of years of ago. Look at how much power Goku gained in just his lifetime.

3) what was meant was that if Buu wasn't stopped, everybody was going to die and since the Genki Dama stopped him, that saved everybody. It goes without saying that if they had failed, there were still powerful fighters to take on Buu so not all was immediately lost.

[Herms]

2.) Old Kai states that the person who sealed him in the Z-sword(who we now know to be Beerus) was in the same weight class as Buu.

I guess it depends on how you define "weight class", but all he really says is that the guy who sealed him away was really strong and really evil, but not as much as Boo. His comparison isn't any more specific than that.

[Rocketman]

23rd Budokai Goku was God tier.

[Pantalones]

1.) Goku, after mastering/absorbing the SSJGod power and receiving training from Whis, still looks forward to a fight with the reincarnated Kid Buuand asks Mr. Buu to rig the tournament seedings so he can fight Uub when they're both at full power. Why would Goku think a reincarnated Kid Buu would be a match for him if he were really weaker than Gotenks or Gohan? Goku also states that someone other than them(the z-senshu)could win the budokai.

Goku's a Saiyan, he's always hoping for a good fight, especially when it's someone new that he's never really fought before and doesn't already know everything about... so of course he hopes Uub is going to be absurdly powerful or at least have the potential to get there with training. Uub was reincarnated with Kid Buu's power, but (as mentioned already) that doesn't mean that's his maximum power forever. Like how Gohan seems to have been born with the capability of shooting into the hundreds or low-end thousands if he got angry enough, but his full potential power as an adult (eventually unlocked) is literally millions of times beyond what his "rage boosted" maximum was way back at age 4.

Heck, taking Goku's apparently-permanent SSj God boost into account, Uub's "base" level could be Kid Buu level when fighting Goku, and his enraged state could be pushing him way, way into the Super Buu/fusions/highest gods range. Without any training yet. Just imagine how strong that Uub could get with training.

Of course, the easiest answer is that Toriyama wasn't thinking of Battle of Gods when this part of the series was originally written--as originally intended, the Goku that headed off to train with Uub wasn't super freakishly strong like post-BoG Goku is now, just "regular Goku" with another 10 years of training (that may have given him a "mastered SSj2/3" if such a thing is possible, or at least some moderate gains in base form, but probably nothing drastic.)

2.) Old Kai states that the person who sealed him in the Z-sword(who we now know to be Beerus) was in the same weight class as Buu.

Beerus was that strong 75 million years ago. He was also described as "evil, just not as evil as Buu" and the Beerus we know isn't exactly "evil," just has a nasty temper... which probably kinda helps when destroying stuff is your job. He might not have even been the God of Destruction yet back then, and who knows how much less powerful he would be without the massive godly ki he has now. Apparently Beerus in the past was a legitimate "bad guy," just not a universal-destruction-level threat like Buu... presumably Whis straightened him out a bit over the years.

3.) Goku states(when Vegeta contemplates killing Kid Buu)that if they hadn't played their part in ensuring the Genki Dama's success, that everyone would have died. This statement would be wrong if Gohan or Gotenks can just come in any time and save the day.

Kid Buu wouldn't wait around for Gohan and/or Gotenks to come fight him like Super Buu, he'd just blow the planet up again--just like he did seconds after his introduction the first time, not caring that there were at least a couple of people around who could give him a fight at the time.

So yeah, if they didn't kill Buu with the Genki Dama when they did, he probably would've killed everyone else before they had a chance to do anything... not because he was stronger but because there's not a whole lot you can do when suddenly your planet's been blown up and you can't breathe and the guy who did it is zipping off to who-knows-where in another galaxy to destroy even more.

[dbzfan7]

Elder Kaioshin said this

5. Elder Kaioshin and his power-up [#BO2#EKS]
Chapter: 479 (DBZ 285), P6.5, P7.2, P8.2-3
Elder Kaioshin: “That’s ri~~~ight. Lo~~~ong, lo~~~ong ago, there was this ridiculously strong and ba~~~ad dude. Well, not as much as this Majin Boo guy now, but still~~~. He did it, he se~~~ealed me away inside that sword. Me here. He was freaked out by how fearsome I am. Yep, sure wa~~~as.”
Goku: “…He don’t look like that amazin’ an old-timer…I’ll test him out a bit.”
*Goku blasts Elder Kaioshin, who gets really hurt*
Goku: “…Like I thought, he’s just an old blowhard…”
Elder Kaioshin: “It-it wasn’t my power that my enemy was freaked out by…! It was my ferocious ‘ability’!”

Seems to me he said this past guy wasn't as strong or bad as Boo....yet Beerus is more powerful.

[ZazamPow]

Elder Kaioshin said this

5. Elder Kaioshin and his power-up [#BO2#EKS]
Chapter: 479 (DBZ 285), P6.5, P7.2, P8.2-3
Elder Kaioshin: “That’s ri~~~ight. Lo~~~ong, lo~~~ong ago, there was this ridiculously strong and ba~~~ad dude. Well, not as much as this Majin Boo guy now, but still~~~. He did it, he se~~~ealed me away inside that sword. Me here. He was freaked out by how fearsome I am. Yep, sure wa~~~as.”
Goku: “…He don’t look like that amazin’ an old-timer…I’ll test him out a bit.”
*Goku blasts Elder Kaioshin, who gets really hurt*
Goku: “…Like I thought, he’s just an old blowhard…”
Elder Kaioshin: “It-it wasn’t my power that my enemy was freaked out by…! It was my ferocious ‘ability’!”

Seems to me he said this past guy wasn't as strong or bad as Boo....yet Beerus is more powerful.

As said, 75 million years is... quite a long time. Beerus probably grew in strength.

[freezamite]

Well, while we always knew that both Freezer and Cell had a lot more potential than they showed in their fights (had they properly trained), I don't think this is the case for Kid Boo. I've always seen Kid Bu like the androids, in the sense that they have the strength they have but they can't get stronger.

Bu could increase his strength through absorptions but I don't think he could get stronger through training.

[Low Tone G]

Elder Kaioshin said this

5. Elder Kaioshin and his power-up [#BO2#EKS]
Chapter: 479 (DBZ 285), P6.5, P7.2, P8.2-3
Elder Kaioshin: “That’s ri~~~ight. Lo~~~ong, lo~~~ong ago, there was this ridiculously strong and ba~~~ad dude. Well, not as much as this Majin Boo guy now, but still~~~. He did it, he se~~~ealed me away inside that sword. Me here. He was freaked out by how fearsome I am. Yep, sure wa~~~as.”
Goku: “…He don’t look like that amazin’ an old-timer…I’ll test him out a bit.”
*Goku blasts Elder Kaioshin, who gets really hurt*
Goku: “…Like I thought, he’s just an old blowhard…”
Elder Kaioshin: “It-it wasn’t my power that my enemy was freaked out by…! It was my ferocious ‘ability’!”

Seems to me he said this past guy wasn't as strong or bad as Boo....yet Beerus is more powerful.

As said, 75 million years is... quite a long time. Beerus probably grew in strength.

I don't really agree that Beerus has grown that much only by training... even if he had millions of years to train. I rather think that Beerus was still stronger than Buu was in Buu saga, only that Beerus wasn't as evil as him, and that is perfectly correct if we view him nowdays. I better think Beerus was also God tier back then as he was the God of Destruction in charge, but being short-tempered he sealed the Old Supereme Kai away as he was forbidden to destroy him and his planet. Look Whis that he offered Goku the job of Destroyer God when he grew God, and not before. I think it should be some criterias to employ a being to be a successor like when he is God tier at least.

[Hitiro]

I don't really agree that Beerus has grown that much only by training... even if he had millions of years to train. I rather think that Beerus was still stronger than Buu was in Buu saga, only that Beerus wasn't as evil as him, and that is perfectly correct if we view him nowdays. I better think Beerus was also God tier back then as he was the God of Destruction in charge, but being short-tempered he sealed the Old Supereme Kai away as he was forbidden to destroy him and his planet. Look Whis that he offered Goku the job of Destroyer God when he grew God, and not before. I think it should be some criterias to employ a being to be a successor like when he is God tier at least.

I don't see why not if it has been 75 million years. If Beerus increases his battle power by 2x every year for 75 million years his battle power would be incalculable. Even over 75 years(Because it's impossible to work out 2^75 million on a regular calculator) Beerus would have gotten 37,778,931,862,957,161,709,568x stronger than when he started. In short scale that is 37 sextillion times stronger.

[rereboy]

Not to mention that Goku managed to get 70% of Beerus power in just, what, around 50 years? What is that compared to 75 million years?

[Dayspring]

We don't need BoG to know that Kid Buu is in the same weight class as gods. The Kaioshin are the gods in question. The whole point of the Buu saga is that he was too strong for them.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

"God tier"? Its range is from Dende to Whis... Almost everyone is god tier...

[Lord Beerus]

Honestly, being a God in Dragon Ball doesn't mean much. The term "God" is thrown around so much and used so loosely, that it doesn't really mean anything. Practically every major main and supporting characters from the King Piccolo arc and beyond were essentially God-tier.

[RandomGuy96]

23rd Budokai Goku was God tier.

So was 22nd Budokai Goku. Karin was a god.

[Dayspring]

Honestly, being a God in Dragon Ball doesn't mean much. The term "God" is thrown around so much and used so loosely, that it doesn't really mean anything. Practically every major main and supporting characters from the King Piccolo arc and beyond were essentially God-tier.

Think "God" vs "god." Lower-ranking gods are referred to as kami (the Japanese word for "god") in the series, whereas Super Saiyan God uses the English word "God."

From that, "God tier" would refer to Kaioshins and up, since the Kaioshin are considered equal in rank to Beerus.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Think "God" vs "god." Lower-ranking gods are referred to as kami (the Japanese word for "god") in the series, whereas Super Saiyan God uses the English word "God."

Super Saiyan God uses the English word for God because it follows the same style as the previous SS forms, which are referred completely in English (Super Saiyan 3 is pronounced Suppa Saiyajin Suri for example, not Cho Saiyajin San). Also, the Super Saiyan God is also referred as the Kami/God of the Saiyans in some promotional material for BoG. SSGod should be in the same tier as the Kami of Earth. The reason he is so strong is probably because he is the god of a fighting-race.