Freeza is now stronger than Boo saga?

[OWmyDragonBallz]

So taken from Freeza's recent quotes for the movie says that even Majin Boo isn't a match for him which I have no idea why Freeza even knows about Majin Boo let alone having his body in hell? This BoG stuff is creating quite the mind fuck, anyone agree?

[dbzfan7]

So taken from Freeza's recent quotes for the movie says that even Majin Boo isn't a match for him which I have no idea why Freeza even knows about Majin Boo let alone having his body in hell? This BoG stuff is creating quite the mind fuck, anyone agree?

It's FnF stuff technically, not Battle of Gods. Though Battle of Gods stuff is seeping into this movie since it's a sequel to BOG.

Though to answer your question, yes. Freeza may possibly be above Boo saga, and perhaps the highest Gods...in 4 months of training....have fun with that logic.

[Herms]

Freeza says his dad Cold warned him never to tangle with Boo or Beerus. So Freeza knows about Boo thanks to Cold, and Cold knew about Boo thanks to...I don't know. Legends or something. He did destroy hundreds of planets. It was millions of years ago, but still, surely somebody ought to be able to connect the dots. I mean, here in the real world we know about the comet that wiped out the dinosaurs and whatnot.

And yeah, four months of training, but we still don't know the details. Hopefully they've come up with something that at least looks cool. Getting a gazillion times stronger after a pretty brief training period is a DB staple, so this isn't entirely out of left field. Although it's also traditionally been something the good guys pull off to gain an edge on the bad guys. So to have a bad guy do it now does feel a bit weird, but I guess it's something new too. On the other hand, if we're giving good guy quickie power-ups to villains, maybe it would have been better for Freeza to just track down some sort of evil Elder Kaioshin and get an evil Ultimate Gohan-style upgrade. Or use evil Potara to fuse with Coola or something.

[ZazamPow]

So taken from Freeza's recent quotes for the movie says that even Majin Boo isn't a match for him which I have no idea why Freeza even knows about Majin Boo let alone having his body in hell? This BoG stuff is creating quite the mind fuck, anyone agree?

It's FnF stuff technically, not Battle of Gods. Though Battle of Gods stuff is seeping into this movie since it's a sequel to BOG.

Though to answer your question, yes. Freeza may possibly be above Boo saga, and perhaps the highest Gods...in 4 months of training....have fun with that logic.

Don't be so pessimistic, we don't know the details of his training, in fact the big power boost might not even come from that.

[mAcChaos]

Freeza says his dad Cold warned him never to tangle with Boo or Beerus. So Freeza knows about Boo thanks to Cold, and Cold knew about Boo thanks to...I don't know. Legends or something. He did destroy hundreds of planets. It was millions of years ago, but still, surely somebody ought to be able to connect the dots. I mean, here in the real world we know about the comet that wiped out the dinosaurs and whatnot.

And yeah, four months of training, but we still don't know the details. Hopefully they've come up with something that at least looks cool. Getting a gazillion times stronger after a pretty brief training period is a DB staple, so this isn't entirely out of left field. Although it's also traditionally been something the good guys pull off to gain an edge on the bad guys. So to have a bad guy do it now does feel a bit weird, but I guess it's something new too. On the other hand, if we're giving good guy quickie power-ups to villains, maybe it would have been better for Freeza to just track down some sort of evil Elder Kaioshin and get an evil Ultimate Gohan-style upgrade. Or use evil Potara to fuse with Coola or something.

Maybe he finds his own RoSaT.

Having a quick way to power up does make logical sense though. If, in universe, this is a viable way to improve, then it doesn't make sense for other people to ignore it.

Until now the bad guys didn't do that stuff because the story was all about training VS raw power, but now Freeza is buying into the training too.

[freezamite]

So taken from Freeza's recent quotes for the movie says that even Majin Boo isn't a match for him which I have no idea why Freeza even knows about Majin Boo let alone having his body in hell? This BoG stuff is creating quite the mind fuck, anyone agree?

It's FnF stuff technically, not Battle of Gods. Though Battle of Gods stuff is seeping into this movie since it's a sequel to BOG.

Though to answer your question, yes. Freeza may possibly be above Boo saga, and perhaps the highest Gods...in 4 months of training....have fun with that logic.

Goku went from 9.000 to 90.000 units in 6 days of training, having trained a lot during his whole life. I can't even start to comprehend what's so "un-logic" with Freezer multiplying his power by 10 in 4 months.

[rereboy]

Because, after his defeat on Namek, he could just have trained for 1 month, become way stronger than anybody, and then come to Earth and wipe out Goku and the rest. This makes him look stupid. It makes it look like he was afraid of SSJs simply because he was too lazy to train a bit. Heck, if the movie makes him this strong in just 4 months, imagine if he actually was patient and trained for a few years after his defeat on Namek... He wouldn't even have to worry about Buu or Beerus, let alone SSJs or SSJGs.

Oh, and it makes Goku look even more stupid because he actually wanted to let Freeza go so that he could train and face him in the future... If this movie is any indication, if Freeza had agreed, Goku and the others would have been totally screwed.

[freezamite]

Because, after his defeat on Namek, he could just have trained for 1 month, become way stronger than anybody, and then come to Earth and wipe out Goku and the rest. This makes him look stupid. It makes it look like he was afraid of SSJs simply because he was too lazy to train a bit. Heck, if the movie makes him this strong in just 4 months, imagine if he actually was patient and trained for a few years after his defeat on Namek... He wouldn't even have to worry about Buu or Beerus, let alone SSJs or SSJGs.

Oh, and it makes Goku look even more stupid because he actually wanted to let Freeza go so that he could train and face him in the future... If this movie is any indication, if Freeza had agreed, Goku and the others would have been totally screwed.

He was never afraid of the SSJ until he lost against Goku, and considering the circumstances on which he lost and his personality it's only logical that he would come back to earth without training even a bit.

Regarding Goku, do you mean the same guy that spared Vegeta's life? If Vegeta had come to earth instead of going to Namek he would've found an hospitalized Goku as the only warrior capable of defending it.
The same with his "great" idea of giving Cell a senzu bean, or when he decides not to kill Guero so he can fight the androids in the future. Goku has done things like this dozens and dozens of time...

[rereboy]

He feared the possibility of SSJs long before Goku turned into one. The first ever mention of SSJ in the manga is by Freeza when he is talking to himself, I believe, even though he had already killed pretty much all saiyans to prevent them from rebelling agaisnt him, which shows just how much that notion was in his head.

And yes, Goku was stupid when he let Piccolo and Vegeta go and he was stupid when he offered to let Freeza go. But I didn't say he wasn't stupid. I mentioned that it makes Goku look even more stupid if Freeza could make such gains in power in such a small period of time which completely eclipse the gains that Goku would make in the same period.

[freezamite]

He feared the possibility of SSJs long before Goku turned into one. The first ever mention of SSJ in the manga is by Freeza when he is talking to himself, I believe, even though he had already killed pretty much all saiyans to prevent them from rebelling agaisnt him, which shows just how much that notion was in his head.

Yes, the first mention to the SSJ is from Freezer, but it's only because Vegeta betrayed him and he suspects the sayans of the earth are helping him. What Freezer says in that sentence is: "It seems that the Saiyans really do hide bottomless battle power…It increases greatly the more they battle…Of course, there’s no way they could be a match for me, but if I don’t think of the future and nip them in the bud now…After all, it’d be troublesome if they were able to become Super Saiyans…"

I don't think that's fear, but more like being cautious. Freezer wasn't scared of them in the sense they could win against him, bur more in the sense that they could interfere with his plans somehow.

That's different after a SSJ defeats him. When he sees Trunks in the earth he is really scared of them.

And yes, Goku was stupid when he let Piccolo and Vegeta go and he was stupid when he offered to let Freeza go. But I didn't say he wasn't stupid. I mentioned that it makes Goku look even more stupid if Freeza could make such gains in power in such a small period of time which completely eclipse the gains that Goku would make in the same period.

Well, Goku never cared that much about the consequences of his own acts as long as he could have a good fight. If we want to justify Goku's actions, well, he had just discovered the SSJ form and he didn't know about how much potential it would have so at that point, when Freezer was the only one he could have good fights against, it's not that illogical for him to try to spare Freezer in order to have a better fight in the future.

Characters may also have judgement errors, I mean, seeing the strength of Fat Bu once resurrected at full power I still can't believe Kaioshin didn't want to blow Babidi's spaceship because Vegeta alone would've been more than able to beat a weakened fat bu (or Goku or even Gohan if he hadn't forgot about his SSJ2 form in the babidi's spaceship or maybe even as a FPSSJ).
The same can be said by Dabra for example, he was as strong as Perfect Cell (before zenkay), he saw how Goku reached the SSJ2 form and he still went to fight against all the Z-fighters and even with the hope of defeating them all.

[Hitiro]

Goku went from 9.000 to 90.000 units in 6 days of training, having trained a lot during his whole life. I can't even start to comprehend what's so "un-logic" with Freezer multiplying his power by 10 in 4 months.

Freeza would have to multiply his battle power by a lot more than 10 in 4 months to catch up to God Tier characters. But, going from the example you provided, if Freeza was training later in the year(Where the months are longest) then he would have 122 days of training. Assuming that Freeza could keep increasing his battle power by 10 times every 6 days Freeza would have increased his battle power by 20 times. 10^20 would be an increase of 100,000,000,000,000,000,000x his original battle power. Unfortunately there are some problems with this.

Firstly, Goku only managed to increase his battle power by over 10 times because of special circumstances. Namely, Zenkai's and gravity training for which Goku was increasing the gravity every time he got used to a certain amount. If Goku had maintained training at 10 times Earth's gravity he wouldn't have become as strong as he did.

Next is the fact that Freeza would have to train under the same special circumstances ignoring Zenkai's. Freeza would need a device to constantly train under more and more difficult gravity conditions.

And then we have the fact that gains started to tail off towards the end of the manga. The characters, as far as we can guess, never increased their battle powers much more than a couple of times their original level through training, at least. It took 7 years for both Goku and Vegeta to bridge the gap between themselves and Gohan, for instance. Unless SSJ2 gives a godly boost much more than 2x SSJ then it stands to reason that Goku and Vegeta were at a point where 7 years didn't not amount to much. Otherwise they would both be stronger than Gohan's SSJ2 as SSJ's.

[sintzu]

I can't even start to comprehend what's so "un-logic" with Freezer multiplying his power by 10 in 4 months.

It doesn't have anything to do with logic.

The small minority who don't like the new stories don't because they're new not because there's actual problems with them.

[Low Tone G]

He feared the possibility of SSJs long before Goku turned into one. The first ever mention of SSJ in the manga is by Freeza when he is talking to himself, I believe, even though he had already killed pretty much all saiyans to prevent them from rebelling agaisnt him, which shows just how much that notion was in his head.

And yes, Goku was stupid when he let Piccolo and Vegeta go and he was stupid when he offered to let Freeza go. But I didn't say he wasn't stupid. I mentioned that it makes Goku look even more stupid if Freeza could make such gains in power in such a small period of time which completely eclipse the gains that Goku would make in the same period.

Yeah, Freeza was feared all the time by the Super Saiyan, not only worrying about him to be the one to cause him problems regarding the World domination.

[Hugo Boss]

I don't see any stupidity in Goku giving his foes something to seek for. But yeah Freeza suposedly powered-up in the Mecha Saga, but if he had the potential to become this strong with training alone I guess he was lazy.

Honestly, I don't think Freeza is completely right about what he said. That was a common villain boast.

[rereboy]

It doesn't have anything to do with logic.

The small minority who don't like the new stories don't because they're new not because there's actual problems with them.

I don't see any stupidity in Goku giving his foes something to seek for. But yeah Freeza suposedly powered-up in the Mecha Saga, but if he had the potential to become this strong with training alone I guess he was lazy.

Honestly, I don't think Freeza is completely right about what he said. That was a common villain boast.

Even without being able to match Goku's power in the future, the people that goku let go could cause destruction on earth por elsewhere and kill a lot of people. Even being sronger, goku can't be everythere and save everyone and he can't expect the people he let go to play by the rules.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Something I believe we haven't discussed yet is how Freeza has his body in hell when villains supposedly lose them as stated by Kami and Piccolo.
If this movie is supposedly "the true canon continuation post boo", then fans who say that would have to accept other world arc or at the least stop bashing the fact that they do have their bodies during that time.

[rereboy]

Something I believe we haven't discussed yet is how Freeza has his body in hell when villains supposedly lose them as stated by Kami and Piccolo.
If this movie is supposedly "the true canon continuation post boo" then fans who say that would have to accept other world arc.

Not really. If there's bodies in Hell, that's Toriyama doing a retcon regarding purely that fact. It wouldn't mean that any particular filler arc uninvolved with Toriyama has to have happened in the continuity.

[OWmyDragonBallz]

Something I believe we haven't discussed yet is how Freeza has his body in hell when villains supposedly lose them as stated by Kami and Piccolo.
If this movie is supposedly "the true canon continuation post boo" then fans who say that would have to accept other world arc.

Not really. If there's bodies in Hell, that's Toriyama doing a retcon regarding purely that fact. It wouldn't mean that any particular filler arc uninvolved with Toriyama has to have happened in the continuity.

And you actually believe that these "retcons" are intentional? It just seems that the man has forgotten so much and is just creating plot hole after plot hole.

[rereboy]

I believe that Toriyama just doesn't care as much about consistency and continuity as us. Its not simply a matter of forgetting things, the man is a gag artist at heart and true to his genre, he simply doesn't take things as consistency and continuity as seriously as us.

[mAcChaos]

I believe that Toriyama just doesn't care as much about consistency and continuity as us. Its not simply a matter of forgetting things, the man is a gag artist at heart and true to his genre, he simply doesn't take things as consistency and continuity as seriously as us.

Well, I think the 4 months thing is too short too, at least with the information we have now. But DBZ is already over as far as I'm concerned and this is something extra to just enjoy on the side.