Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Black_Liger]

Why make things so complicated? Why not think that Tagoma And Sorbet are the masterminds while the other guys are just brawn, and that they need Freeza as his name actually means something in the universe, without him, nobody would even consider them dangerous. Didn't Sorbet actually wanted Freeza to command his army and reorganize it rather than getting vengeance? They just need his name and managing skills.

And pray tell why would he listen to them? If he's so much stronger, he'd assert his way to the top. Clearly his rage hidden power is greater than everyone else.

Could be many things, maybe out of Loyalty? maybe he doesn't even care and just wants to fight. if we question this, why the hell doesn't Videl fight mr satan and be the world champion? cuz she doesn't feel like it. Maybe it's the same.


Oh butt, Liger-kun, there's you way you can know that, the movie is not out.

Exactly.....


There is no reason to throw crap at anything and everything until the movie comes out, hell if it's bad I'll join in on the rant. But at this rate you'll hate the movie even if it's good. with all that negativity.

[dbzfan7]

Why make things so complicated? Why not think that Tagoma And Sorbet are the masterminds while the other guys are just brawn, and that they need Freeza as his name actually means something in the universe, without him, nobody would even consider them dangerous. Didn't Sorbet actually wanted Freeza to command his army and reorganize it rather than getting vengeance? They just need his name and managing skills.

And pray tell why would he listen to them? If he's so much stronger, he'd assert his way to the top. Clearly his rage hidden power is greater than everyone else.

Could be many things, maybe out of Loyalty? maybe he doesn't even care and just wants to fight. if we question this, why the hell doesn't Videl fight mr satan and be the world champion? cuz she doesn't feel like it. Maybe it's the same.


Oh butt, Liger-kun, there's you way you can know that, the movie is not out.

Exactly.....

There is no reason to throw crap at anything and everything until the movie comes out, hell if it's bad I'll join in on the rant. But at this rate you'll hate the movie even if it's good. with all that negativity.

There is a reason. She said her dad doesn't let her train with him. Though after she knows the truth, it's cause she doesn't care to. She lets her dad be the champ cause it makes him happy. These people are evil. No way if one person has the power to control an entire army would they subject themselves under someone weaker.

Know what would be interesting. If that mook was the leader of the Freeza's army because he was strong. Sorbet and Tagoma are tired of him perhaps because he isn't a good leader, and a meat head. So they want to resurrect their true leader.

Good is also subjective, some would call Battle of Gods good, some would call it bad. I enjoy it to a degree despite it's flaws.

[Chuquita]

Re: the minions vs the supporting cast

I think the "Sorbet's ring drains or seals the main cast's access to their power" theory holds weight. If they can have that machine in "The Plan to Destroy the Saiyajins" playdia animation block their ability to use ki, there's no reason Sorbet's ring couldn't either.

[Bullza]

Why make things so complicated? Why not think that Tagoma And Sorbet are the masterminds while the other guys are just brawn, and that they need Freeza as his name actually means something in the universe, without him, nobody would even consider them dangerous. Didn't Sorbet actually wanted Freeza to command his army and reorganize it rather than getting vengeance? They just need his name and managing skills.

Sorbet is a mastermind but Tagoma was just said to be a bodyguard. Sorbet made a point of him being an excellent warrior on the same level as Zarbon as if that were an accomplishment, so he would be the brawn.

In the special chapter it mentions that one of the planets inhabitants were fighting back and so the army had to withdraw which implies to me that they can't be that strong which is why they decide to revive Frieza.

Frieza does mention them being weak too. It's because of all this above is why I think there probably is going to be some reason for why the henchmen become so strong or why the others become so weak and I'd be fine with that.

But on the off chance there just happened to be some fodder henchmen out there far stronger than Frieza and the Super Saiyans were then that would just plain suck and undermine what they were supposed to be.

Someone mentioned that maybe Sorbet's ring siphoned the power out of people, if it's the case of him draining Gohan and Piccolo's power and making them weak enough to be hurt by these fodder then I'd be fine with that too.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The ring is probably just used the channel ki (perhaps like Chi Chi's childhood helmet or something)? It's was clearly used to fire an attack during the Heroes stream's in-game stuff.

[dbzfan7]

Re: the minions vs the supporting cast

I think the "Sorbet's ring drains or seals the main cast's access to their power" theory holds weight. If they can have that machine in "The Plan to Destroy the Saiyajins" playdia animation block their ability to use ki, there's no reason Sorbet's ring couldn't either.

Then why do they need 4 months? Go to earth right away, drain everyone, then win.

[kei17]

Re: early movie viewers

I think Julian and Kei will find out the second week of March if they made it.

I think I'll pass on that this time. The advance screening in Tokyo will take place on Monday. I'm now a full-time worker and probably won't be able to go. Also, honestly, I'm not as excited as I was when BoG was coming.

Why wouldn't you be excited?

1) Unlike BoG, it's not the first movie in decades.
2) I prefer in-universe developments over battles choreographed by an untalented director.
3) The animation doesn't seem to have gotten better.
4) I don't want to hear metal music in Dragon Ball regardless of Toriyama's approval.
5) I despise idol groups intended for pedophiles.

[Herms]

Guys, don't jump to conclusions over that pic. The soldier may have gotten a sucker punch in that Piccolo will easily retaliate from. Remember, they are fighting hundreds of soldiers at once.

Yeah, the simplest explanation is that they get worn out and caught off guard fighting against hundreds of guys all at once. I mean, the promotional material keeps drumming on about how there's 1,000 of these guys. Strength in numbers seems to be their big selling point. Maybe you can critique the idea of Piccolo getting worn out fighting so many mooks, but surely it's more sensible than Piccolo getting beat up by one mook? And really, how much precedent do we have for Z Fighters fighting huge, huge numbers of mooks? Like, more than 20? People keep bringing up Cell versus the army, but a) Piccolo isn't Cell, and b) Freeza's mooks aren't random Earth soldiers. The other really obvious example is Goku vs. the Red Ribbon Army, but again it's an army of pretty ordinary Earthling...and even Kame-sennin doesn't think he would have had the stamina to take them all out the way Goku did. Boo wiping out the Earth's remaining population...but again it's only large numbers of ordinary people. There's Bardock vs. all those mooks in the Bardock special...but he seems to mostly just plow on through them on his way to Freeza. It might have played out differently if he tried defeating each and every one of them.

I'll say again that even a lv.100 Arceus can't defeat 1,000 Lv.1 Rattatas without all its moves running out of PP and it depleting all of its own HP using Struggle. Can anyone possibly argue that Piccolo is stronger than Arceus? The very idea is sheer blasphemy!

[Scarz]

5) I despise idol groups intended for pedophiles.

Okay, I know I shouldn't ask in fear of derailing, but I'm so damn curious. Please elaborate, I'm not familiar with Japanese idol groups or the fan base around them.

[Bullza]

And really, how much precedent do we have for Z Fighters fighting huge numbers of mooks?

Piccolo created an explosive wave in the original series and levelled an entire island. Nappa lifted his fingers and created an even bigger explosion.

Piccolo should be able to wipe out the entire lot of them at this point just by replicating the same move.

It should be as easy as Buu killing all the humans.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

1) Unlike BoG, it's not the first movie in decades.
2) I prefer in-universe developments over battles choreographed by an untalented director.
3) The animation doesn't seem to have gotten better.
4) I don't want to hear metal music in Dragon Ball regardless of Toriyama's approval.
5) I despise idol groups intended for pedophiles.

Wait. You mean the composer from Kai does the metal for the background music for the movie?

I understand about the animation. The layouts look pretty uninspired. The character designs look pretty decent, though. The models looks much better than the previous film, at least.

[Herms]

I'm not sure if Mike will go for this, but at this point I think we really do need one thread for movie news and another thread for all the in-universe conversation. All else aside, I think there needs to be a way for people who just want the latest movie news to be able to find the latest movie news in a quick and efficient manner. I know there's the main site news updates, but sometimes it takes a while to get a proper news update together. Not to mention that at this point most of the site's front page consists of all the Bulma blog updates, which probably only count as actual news about half the time. Thoughts?

That said, on to more in-universe conversation...

Piccolo created an explosive wave in the original series and levelled an entire island. Nappa lifted his fingers and created an even bigger explosion.

Piccolo should be able to wipe out the entire lot of them at this point just by replicating the same move.

Yeah, but Piccolo's a good boy now. Suppose he doesn't want to obliterate entire islands or cities while fighting these guys? I know Goku's policy during the Boo arc was to just let stuff get destroyed and fix it all with the dragon balls later, but everyone else seemed to find that a little callous.

It should be as easy as Buu killing all the humans.

Nobody besides Boo every does anything remotely like Boo's Human Extiniction Attack. It's a pretty impressive demonstration on his part, frankly. And again, it's only used to kill off loads of ordinary Earthlings. Freeza's mooks ought to be a bit harder than that. I mean, Boo's attack didn't even manage to kill Chiaotzu.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

I'm on with you for this one, Herms. All those battle power discussions have been raged on for quite a while in this thread that overshadowed the news discussions. For people like me and Chuquita who enjoy the news discussion, I would rather take those strength topics else where. It's nothing more than a distraction, really.

So, yeah, if you and VegettoEX can approve for a thread that focuses in-universe discussions, I'd be very much appreciated.

[kei17]

1) Unlike BoG, it's not the first movie in decades.
2) I prefer in-universe developments over battles choreographed by an untalented director.
3) The animation doesn't seem to have gotten better.
4) I don't want to hear metal music in Dragon Ball regardless of Toriyama's approval.
5) I despise idol groups intended for pedophiles.

Wait. You mean the composer from Kai does the metal for the background music for the movie?

I meant "F" by Maximum the Hormone. Toriyama seems to like it, but I just don't want to hear metal or hard rock or whatever like that as an insert song in DB. Also, it doesn't help that the lyrics of the song contain some thoughtless references to Aum Shinrikyo's terrorism which is obviously inappropriate for an anime movie intended for kids.

[Chuquita]

Re: Herms

Wishing much good luck in hopes of you being able to spin-off the in-universe debates into a separate thread. It really does feel like there's two threads co-existing here; I could scroll through pages of strength debates before reaching a new-info post.

It really is a different atmosphere from the BOG thread.

[kei17]

5) I despise idol groups intended for pedophiles.

Okay, I know I shouldn't ask in fear of derailing, but I'm so damn curious. Please elaborate, I'm not familiar with Japanese idol groups or the fan base around them.

I don't know much about the fan base because I'm not interested in idol groups in the first place, but I think it's mixture of nerdy pedophiles and girls adoring show business. Regardless of who like 'em, I'm not fond of any kind of businesses that put real-life children on show with sexual appeals.

So, I'm not happy with Momoiro Clover Z being involved with the franchise.

[Black_Liger]

5) I despise idol groups intended for pedophiles.

Okay, I know I shouldn't ask in fear of derailing, but I'm so damn curious. Please elaborate, I'm not familiar with Japanese idol groups or the fan base around them.

I don't know much about the fan base because I'm not interested in idol groups in the first place, but I think it's mixture of nerdy pedophiles and girls adoring show business. Regardless of who like 'em, I'm not fond of any kind of businesses that put real-life children on show with sexual appeals.

So, I'm not happy with Momoiro Clover Z being involved with the franchise.

What, so most Idols are underage?. O.O that is creepy. About the (F) Theme song, I don't know how I feel about it. I do admit it seems to over the top non Dragon Ball. One thing though, I would have preffered if they used "Only A Chilling Elegy" Instead of (F)

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

I'm not sure if Mike will go for this, but at this point I think we really do need one thread for movie news and another thread for all the in-universe conversation. All else aside, I think there needs to be a way for people who just want the latest movie news to be able to find the latest movie news in a quick and efficient manner. I know there's the main site news updates, but sometimes it takes a while to get a proper news update together. Not to mention that at this point most of the site's front page consists of all the Bulma blog updates, which probably only count as actual news about half the time. Thoughts?

Yeah, this is partly why I was so keen on having a whole sub-forum for the film. This really bothered me when we were waiting for BOG coming out and especially when Kei17 returned from the premiere and was answering questions. I don't want to be "that guy", but it really does kill a lot of the excitement when we get new material and all people want to talk about is why Piccolo's getting punched in the face.

Now to be a complete hypocrite and throw in an analogy here; who would in a fight? Five Mike Tysons (in his prime) vs. One thousand ten year olds....think about it.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

What, so most Idols are underage?. O.O that is creepy.

A quick search says legal age of consent in Japan as a whole is 13, but most the districts have their own laws/rules/whatever that bump it up to 18 if you aren't in a romantic relationship? I dunno, I guess it can get a bit muddied if that's the case. It's hard to really get into Kei's mindset here with Momoiro Clover Z specifically though, because this is basically the first I've heard of them and all the girls are now of legal age. Definitely a bit odd when you think you actually look back and consider when the group was formed though, but that's probably also stepping into off-topic territory, so I don't really want to linger on the subject.

[MasterVampire]

Guys, don't jump to conclusions over that pic. The soldier may have gotten a sucker punch in that Piccolo will easily retaliate from. Remember, they are fighting hundreds of soldiers at once.

Why bother fighting 100's of soldiers all at once?
Just get Piccolo or Vegeta to do some massive attack and wipe them all out at the same time.