Why are the Daizenshuu considered canon

[flashback0180]

Like I said ... Did Toriyama have anything to do with it?

[Kamiccolo9]

Because if you fill them with gunpowder and set them on fire, they explode.

Seriously. Try it out.

[SSJ God Gogeta]

When was the Daizenshuu ever considered a large, heavy piece of artillery, typically mounted on wheels, formerly used in warfare?

Edit:Dammit! Beat me to it.

[Herms]

Joking aside, they're official guidebooks published by Shueisha. Toriyama gave them his full approval and contributed various things like cover illustrations, a series of interviews, a series of short comic strips detailing his daily life now that DB's serialization was finished, "character secrets" and other in-universe stuff, etc. There's also interviews with Toriyama's editors, anime staff like Takao Koyama, the voice artists, etc. There's an awful lot about the making of the series that we only know about because of those guides.

They also feature lots of pretty pictures.

As for in-universe stuff, besides the whole "approved by Toriyama" spiel, various things introduced in the daizenshuu turn up in later guides and other supplemental material. The map of the DB cosmos Toriyama created for it has been reprinted many times and even used in one of the Kai title cards, and the map of the DB Earth has formed the basis for world maps in numerous DB games. The timeline's likewise been reprinted a bunch, and the dates it assigns the events of the series are featured in DB Online, Heroes, and now Xenoverse. The battle powers for characters like Super Saiyan Goku introduced in Daizenshuu 7 turn up in everything from video games to T-shirts. The "Tenshinhan is descended from aliens" thing is still kicked around, getting mentioned in the Dragon Box booklets and the Sparking! games. Part of the revisions made for the Kanzenban editions of the manga include changing Vegeta's battle power against Recoom to match what Daizenshuu 7 said it was, and changing the date Cell announces for the Cell Games to match what the Daizenshuu 7 timeline said.

So long story short, love them or loathe them, they're valuable sources of real world information on the series, and much of the in-universe material they introduce has had considerable staying power. Shueisha even saw fit to create those updated "chouzenshuu" versions of them to go along with the release of BoG. Arguably just sheer laziness on their part, but I think it just goes to show how all the guides that had been released following the daizenshuu mostly just felt like less impressive versions of them.

[Kamiccolo9]

Part of the revisions made for the Kanzenban editions of the manga include changing Vegeta's battle power against Recoom to match what Daizenshuu 7 said it was, and changing the date Cell announces for the Cell Games to match what the Daizenshuu 7 timeline said.

This was interesting. I had thought that the Kanzeban predated the Daizenshuu.

[Herms]

This was interesting. I had thought that the Kanzeban predated the Daizenshuu.

Quite the opposite. The daizenshuu starting being released in 1995, shortly after the manga finished running in Jump and before the DBZ anime even finished airing (that's why TV Animation Part 3 eventually came out, to cover the episodes that hadn't aired when Daizenshuu 5 went to print). The kanzenban on the other hand didn't start coming out until 2002. They were part of the big second wave of DB merchandise in Japan.

[Kamiccolo9]

This was interesting. I had thought that the Kanzeban predated the Daizenshuu.

Quite the opposite. The daizenshuu starting being released in 1995, shortly after the manga finished running in Jump and before the DBZ anime even finished airing (that's why TV Animation Part 3 eventually came out, to cover the episodes that hadn't aired when Daizenshuu 5 went to print). The kanzenban on the other hand didn't start coming out until 2002. They were part of the big second wave of DB merchandise in Japan.

Was there ever any overlap? I guess if there were, it would be with the last few Daizenshuu, the ones no one ever talks about. TV Animation Part 3 was....10, right?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

No. The last Daizenshu was printed in July of 1996. So they finished way before the Kanzenban were a thing.

[Kamiccolo9]

No. The last Daizenshu was printed in July of 1996. So they finished way before the Kanzenban were a thing.

Cool, thanks. My timeline of early-mid DB history is all screwed up

[Dyno]

Herms, could you please tell me everything covered up in Chozenshuu about Episode of Bardock? Aside of Plantjins and Chilled himself who were drawn by Toriyama, there is. I always caught me wondering if there is more useful information there... And an explanation of how Bardock went to the past.

[Bullza]

These books seem interesting from what I've seen so why have they never been released in the West? Or the updated recent Chozenshu guides even?

[Kamiccolo9]

These books seem interesting from what I've seen so why have they never been released in the West? Or the updated recent Chozenshu guides even?

For the same reason that the incredibly sexy Final Fantasy Ultimanias haven't been released: not enough demand.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Speaking of Square, Kamiccolo, any reason for Master Xehanort? Besides, well, the obvious.

[Kamiccolo9]

Speaking of Square, Kamiccolo, any reason for Master Xehanort? Besides, well, the obvious.

Just the obvious. Never was a Trekkie, and I've got Galvatron on my other forum.

[DieHard]

Herms, could you please tell me everything covered up in Chozenshuu about Episode of Bardock? Aside of Plantjins and Chilled himself who were drawn by Toriyama, there is. I always caught me wondering if there is more useful information there... And an explanation of how Bardock went to the past.

He went to past because explosion of planet. [PORNOGRAHPIC IMAGE REMOVED BY MODERATOR. USER BANNED.]

[Kamiccolo9]

Herms, could you please tell me everything covered up in Chozenshuu about Episode of Bardock? Aside of Plantjins and Chilled himself who were drawn by Toriyama, there is. I always caught me wondering if there is more useful information there... And an explanation of how Bardock went to the past.

He went to past because explosion of planet. [PORNOGRAHPIC IMAGE REMOVED BY MODERATOR. USER BANNED.]

You know, for someone who wrote this:

I don't understand, could you speak proper english? [PORNOGRAHPIC IMAGE REMOVED BY MODERATOR. USER BANNED.]

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... sh#p878132

You don't seem to take much care in how you post.

[DieHard]

LEAVE ME ALONE DAMMIT! [PORNOGRAHPIC IMAGE REMOVED BY MODERATOR. USER BANNED.]

[Doctor.]

Oh god, the "c" word again.

[DieHard]

Why is everyone doing this to me?What have me done? [PORNOGRAHPIC IMAGE REMOVED BY MODERATOR. USER BANNED.]

[Hellspawn28]

These books seem interesting from what I've seen so why have they never been released in the West? Or the updated recent Chozenshu guides even?

They did release the first volume a while back and I remember picking it up back in 2008 back when Borders was in still Columbia, MD. I guess the others didn't get release here because it didn't seem to sell that well. The DBZ anime is more popular then the manga despite both the manga and anime have been around since the late 90's in the US.