Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Bullza]

Question, what is 20th Century Fox's involvement with this movie?

[DBZAOTA482]

Question, what is 20th Century Fox's involvement with this movie?

Distribution.. ??

[rereboy]

. Freeza is a mutant prodigy born with a power level of 120,000,000 with access to much superior technology.

Goten, Trunks and Gohan were saiyan prodigies, who all mastered the legendary saiayn transformation before they were teenagers. The former two did it with ease and were able fight on par with 18, who is worlds above Freeza. People have to stop using this "prodigy" argument.

True. Goten and Trunks barely even trained, they just played with each other, Goten didn't even know how to fly, and yet they were both much stronger than Freeza and capable of scaring #18 with their power held back.

If Freeza is a prodigy and only needs to train 4 months to get from his level at Namek to Beerus' level, its kind of hard to justify why Goten and Trunks, being even bigger prodigies, don't get similar gains from training.

[Bullza]

Question, what is 20th Century Fox's involvement with this movie?

Distribution.. ??

But for which countries?

With Battle of Gods did Fox distribute the movie in countries outside of Japan?

[Doctor.]

. Freeza is a mutant prodigy born with a power level of 120,000,000 with access to much superior technology.

Goten, Trunks and Gohan were saiyan prodigies, who all mastered the legendary saiayn transformation before they were teenagers. The former two did it with ease and were able fight on par with 18, who is worlds above Freeza. People have to stop using this "prodigy" argument.

True. Goten and Trunks barely even trained, they just played with each other, Goten didn't even know how to fly, and yet they were both much stronger than Freeza and capable of scaring #18 with their power held back.

If Freeza is a prodigy and only needs to train 4 months to get from his level at Namek to Beerus' level, its kind of hard to justify why Goten and Trunks, being even bigger prodigies, don't get similar gains from training.

But they did.

They got from below Fat Boo to Super Boo level in a week or so, right?

[rereboy]

True. Goten and Trunks barely even trained, they just played with each other, Goten didn't even know how to fly, and yet they were both much stronger than Freeza and capable of scaring #18 with their power held back.

If Freeza is a prodigy and only needs to train 4 months to get from his level at Namek to Beerus' level, its kind of hard to justify why Goten and Trunks, being even bigger prodigies, don't get similar gains from training.

But they did.

They got from below Fat Boo to Super Boo level in a week or so, right?

Gotenks did. Not them individually. Individually, there's nothing suggesting that they ever surpassed their fathers at any moment. Which, like I said, considering that they are even bigger prodigies than Freeza, is kind of hard to justify.

On that note, if Freeza can increase his level to Beerus' level in 4 months of training, then Gotenks, a fusion of two bigger prodigies than Freeza, is only at Super Buu level with his SSJ3?

[SaiyaJedi]

Toriyama is releasing a new manga? Colour me interested!

Before the rumours explode, it appears to just be a one-off to accompany the movie. Looks like it'll be given away to attendees who see the film, like people who went to see Strong World and Film Z received One Piece Volume 0 and Volume 1000 respectively; although I believe the latter actually consisted of concept sketches and other supplementary material. Whatever it turns out to be, I can already tell it'll be going for a fairly hefty price on eBay.

I'm fairly certain that it will be something along similar lines to One Piece.

The "1.5 million" figure and not "15 million", which is laughably absurd for a country with only 127 million people in it mirrors the initial print runs for "Volume 0" (1.5 million) and "Volume 1000" (2 million). However, it should also be noted that both received substantial extra printings on the order of 1-2 million copies in order to fulfill demand in theaters. Perhaps the true test of Revival of "F"'s staying-power will be whether it, too, receives more than the initial batch.

[Saiga]

Why anyone would actually prefer to see that, I will never understand.

It's been bugging the shit out of me that your response to any criticism has seemed to always wind up presenting a false dichotomy - so often you keep saying "I don't know why you'd prefer [scenario I invented] over what we got" when there's absolutely nothing to suggest they want the alternative you mentioned.

Just because I might say the new army beating up Piccolo is shit doesn't mean I want to see Piccolo effortlessly crush them and then the movie ends. It means I have an issue with the decision to put Piccolo up against a bunch of Freeza soldiers and would rather see something completely different to avoid either of those problems.

Thinking the way they're making the side characters fight in a battle that shouldn't logically mean anything doesn't mean I want them to get swept away and do nothing.

Thinking Freeza's new form is bad doesn't mean I want him to have some AF-esque shit, thinking his strength gains are absurd doesn't mean I want him to come back and be a weakling, etc.

[MagicBox]

New Toriyama Dragon Ball one-shot?



New Toriyama Dragon Ball one-shot exclusively for early moviegoers that might never receive a printed retail or digital release?

[Gyt Kaliba]

It's been bugging the shit out of me that your response to any criticism has seemed to always wind up presenting a false dichotomy - so often you keep saying "I don't know why you'd prefer [scenario I invented] over what we got" when there's absolutely nothing to suggest they want the alternative you mentioned.

Perhaps I am putting words into people's mouths a bit, so for that I apologize - but when all one does is harp endlessly about a fact, in this case the fact being that the background crew is going to take on a swarm of soldiers, with no other meat to it, then I'm left to assume one of two things. 1) They'd actually prefer to see something as boring as the stronger people just one-shotting people to preserve their notions of power levels. 2) They'd prefer not to see anything new at all. If it's the former, then I repeat, that just seems like a boring scenario to me. If it's the latter (which it's quickly seeming to be), then perhaps it's best they do just that - ignore the new stuff if all it's going to do is irritate them.

I mean, seriously, I get it. There's plenty of stuff not to like about the new stuff, and a lot of people are latching on to that and not seeing any of the good stuff that's come along with it. Or maybe even the 'good' stuff isn't good to them to begin with. And that's fine! But do we really, really need to hear about it every time new information comes out, especially when it's just the same information we already knew just stated again? There is absolutely no need to continually harp on things and turn this entire thread into a cesspool of negativity, which is all it is accomplishing, and making it hard for people that are looking forward to the film to do so. Is it so hard to just go 'nah this isn't for me' and move on?

[RandomGuy96]

Yeah, and getting offended at a fictional case of it makes so much sense too.

Sure, finding something unfunny and gross is the same thing as "being offended by a fictional crime". Ironclad logic here. Why does anyone bother to criticize any type of comedy? Haven't they seen the glorious Gyt Argument, about how scenarios being fictional makes it illogical to criticize them? Heck, this applies even for cases where people are actually offended rather than just annoyed by a joke they find gross and unfunny. Especially for those cases. Because as we all know, fiction cannot be criticized, and has no effect on society.

I honestly can't remember if you personally had stated it, but it wouldn't surprise me, and it's been brought up ad nauseam for a while now. Of course you don't like it though, cuz heaven forbid there be something from the new content you don't have some kind of issue with.

I liked some of the character interactions in BOG, and Beerus was a decent character if you can ignore his constant shilling. That's about it, though. It ain't my fault that every detail we've gotten from this movie indicates to me that it will be complete garbage, and that it has hit just about every negative on my check list. It's fun to follow it, regardless.

Giving 'little moments' to the background cast is certainly a more entertaining way for them to spend time in the movie than just having one of the bigger, stronger characters carelessly hand-wave their way through the army. Why anyone would actually prefer to see that, I will never understand.

False dichotomy, yadda yadda, Saiga explained this well.

[Kakarot9001]

Vegeta attained SS by training. Goku attained SS2 and 3 off screen training, are they disgusting too?

Yeah, but Goku trained for 7 f**king YEARS... That's not even close to someone who was defeated and killed by a untrained SSJ and with only 4 MONTHS of training got power enough to battle a former Super Saiyan God

Since I haven't said it before (I think), I may as well do so now. I don't like the idea of the henchmen army. Not only because it makes zero sense from an in-universe strength-related standpoint, but also because it is meaningless to the story. Dragon Ball has ALWAYS worked on the logic of "if you're too weak, don't even bother showing up, even in scores". That's been the justification for why they don't team up on the villains since at least the Daimao arc. There's no real point in letting Krillin and Tenshinhan have their little moments against the grunts, since these grunts can easily be dispatched at once with a single wave of the hand by Goku.

I totally agree with that, but I like how they're making a good sub-plot for minor characters... But where the f*ck is Yamcha?

[Gyt Kaliba]

Sure, finding something unfunny and gross is the same thing as "being offended by a fictional crime". Ironclad logic here. Why does anyone bother to criticize any type of comedy? Haven't they seen the glorious Gyt Argument, about how scenarios being fictional makes it illogical to criticize them? Heck, this applies even for cases where people are actually offended rather than just annoyed by a joke they find gross and unfunny. Especially for those cases. Because as we all know, fiction cannot be criticized, and has no effect on society.

Fiction definitely does not have near as much of an effect on society as some people like to paint that it does. It's the same weak argument that claims violent video games have caused school shootings, when really the problem is people being horrible to their fellow people. But no, let's scapegoat it and blame it on fictional material for existing, because clearly it's the real threat out there!

I liked some of the character interactions in BOG, and Beerus was a decent character if you can ignore his constant shilling. That's about it, though. It ain't my fault that every detail we've gotten from this movie indicates to me that it will be complete garbage, and that it has hit just about every negative on my check list. It's fun to follow it, regardless.

So basically you really do get enjoyment out of whining consistently and just being a pain to others. Should've figured.

You can try and tear into my comments all you want, as I've freely admitted that maybe I was putting words into others mouth's a bit too much with that previous post, but it doesn't change the fact that your constant complaining is adding absolutely nothing to the discussion when, irregardless of what counter-arguments come up, you just end up going 'nope, you're wrong, I'm right, this is all terrible, you're wrong if you think it's good, yadda yadda'. And it's clear that that's literally all you care to do.

So I'm done. Like, completely done. Your bullheadedness has reached unfathomable levels and I don't think my brain cells can take much more of it.

[SaiyaJedi]

Allow me to remind you, very firmly, that ad-hominem attacks on fellow forum-members are not to be tolerated. Either stick to discussing the movie, or go cool your heads somewhere else.

Account warnings will be given out if this reminder is not heeded.

[RandomGuy96]

Fiction definitely does not have near as much of an effect on society as some people like to paint that it does. It's the same weak argument that claims violent video games have caused school shootings, when really the problem is people being horrible to their fellow people. But no, let's scapegoat it and blame it on fictional material for existing, because clearly it's the real threat out there!

We're on a forum about a comic book/cartoon. Of course I'm going to criticize it for what I see as something unfunny and gross. It just so happened that your response was "it's fiction, it's illogical to criticize it!".

Your attempt to shift goal posts ain't gonna work, by the way. No one ever said violent video games were to blame for school shootings. No one ever said that children's cartoons were responsible for all sexual assault (though they certainly don't help society's attitudes at all).

So basically you really do get enjoyment out of whining consistently and just being a pain to others. Should've figured.

I like how simply giving an occasional opinion translates to "whining and being a pain to others". You seem to think that
literally every post I've made here involves some kind of complaint. That isn't true. But...

You can try and tear into my comments all you want, as I've freely admitted that maybe I was putting words into others mouth's a bit too much with that previous post, but it doesn't change the fact that your constant complaining is adding absolutely nothing to the discussion when, irregardless of what counter-arguments come up, you just end up going 'nope, you're wrong, I'm right, this is all terrible, you're wrong if you think it's good, yadda yadda'. And it's clear that that's literally all you care to do.

...even if it were true, it doesn't matter. I'm reacting to the stuff as it comes, same as anyone else. I'd argue my "constant complaining", which actually includes some facts about continuity and comments about what would make a better story, are far more relevant and valuable than "Hey, I like this thing, I'm hyped". Yet you never seem to throw out condescending insults to those people. The people whose contributions are worthless, the people that need to shut up and leave, are the ones with different opinions than you. Fancy that.

[Dyno]

So... A new manga?

Don't know what to expect, aside it will focus on Freeza. (?)

[Saiga]

Perhaps I am putting words into people's mouths a bit, so for that I apologize - but when all one does is harp endlessly about a fact, in this case the fact being that the background crew is going to take on a swarm of soldiers, with no other meat to it, then I'm left to assume one of two things. 1) They'd actually prefer to see something as boring as the stronger people just one-shotting people to preserve their notions of power levels. 2) They'd prefer not to see anything new at all. If it's the former, then I repeat, that just seems like a boring scenario to me. If it's the latter (which it's quickly seeming to be), then perhaps it's best they do just that - ignore the new stuff if all it's going to do is irritate them.

But I don't see why you have to go with any of those assumptions. Both of them seem like a stretch, or a convenience to dismiss other people's opinions. I think it's far more likely to be number 3 in all cases: they want new material without the logical problems they're presenting. That's me.

I'd love new material if it was something I could actually enjoy. That's why I can never ignore the new material, even without any expectations, because I'll definitely never get what I want if I don't look for it.

I mean, seriously, I get it. There's plenty of stuff not to like about the new stuff, and a lot of people are latching on to that and not seeing any of the good stuff that's come along with it. Or maybe even the 'good' stuff isn't good to them to begin with. And that's fine! But do we really, really need to hear about it every time new information comes out, especially when it's just the same information we already knew just stated again? There is absolutely no need to continually harp on things and turn this entire thread into a cesspool of negativity, which is all it is accomplishing, and making it hard for people that are looking forward to the film to do so. Is it so hard to just go 'nah this isn't for me' and move on?

Weeeeell I feel you can say the exact same thing for defending things as well. How much is that needed compared to criticizing them to begin with? Because there are plenty of posts that fall into the same trap the complaints are: they're repeating things already said, without actually bringing in something new. You'll get a whole bunch of "Piccolo shouldn't be getting his ass kicked" posts that don't bring any new argument or ideas forward, but then you've got just as many "it's not farfetched at all, you're just upset because of your headcanon!" posts that likewise don't differ enough to be new in any way. It seems to cut both ways just as much.

I get that it's a bummer trying to be hyped for something when other people won't buy into it, but those who are critical are also finding enjoyment discussing these perceived flaws with others and it's a real bummer when people don't appear to allow that happening. And I don't even mean finding enjoyment in a perverse "hah I knew this would suck way", but being able to better phrase what you dislike about something or understand why you dislike something from discussing with others is something to be enjoyed.

Also on the sexual assault thing: yeah I've got to say fuck that. Society has some real problems with how it deals with assault and consent, and while there is no hard proof that making jokes of it contributes to these problems, it sure as shit does nothing to help. It's just such a sensitive issue that I absolutely can't enjoy having a predator made a comedic, positive character.

I don't like being lumped in with overprotective/over-sensitive people just because I don't like seeing sexual assault being made light of.

[dbgtFO]

So... A new manga?

Don't know what to expect, aside it will focus on Freeza. (?)

Probably not.
Seems like a book showcasing new designs and such rather than a new manga.
Would be cool if Toriyama made a feature on Freeza's past/upbringing, how his transformations Work or something like that.
Given that he's finally back from the dead it seems fitting to give him a more detailed background story, wouldn't you agree?

[Kakarot9001]

Can someone really imagine Goku fighting Freeza WITHOUT this BGM?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEPIXIJ6Skc

[Dyno]

Probably not.
Seems like a book showcasing new designs and such rather than a new manga.
Would be cool if Toriyama made a feature on Freeza's past/upbringing, how his transformations Work or something like that.
Given that he's finally back from the dead it seems fitting to give him a more detailed background story, wouldn't you agree?

Uh, interesting.
Yes, I totally agree. But it would also be interesting and awesome if he does the same for the Saiyans.