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by sintzu » Tue Mar 10, 2015 12:04 am
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Vegeta doesn't respect his father,
and has accepted that his former Saiyan heritage is no longer the driving force behind his life.
We don't know if he hasn't out of respect for him or not.
Him becoming king doesn't mean it'll be the driving force to his life.
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by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 12:06 am
sintzu wrote:Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Vegeta doesn't respect his father,
and has accepted that his former Saiyan heritage is no longer the driving force behind his life.
We don't know if he hasn't out of respect for him or not.
Him becoming king doesn't mean it'll be the driving force to his life.
Vegeta insults his father every time he mentions him, which is, to my recollection, all of one time.
Vegeta has accepted that the Saiyans are gone. The "I am the Prince of All Saiyans (TM)" is not a thing after defusing with Goku.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Mar 10, 2015 10:58 am
Chronic_mcduffin wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I can't stand the "Prince of all Saiyans" title from the dub...
It's "Saiyan Prince" for god's sake!
I don't like Sabat's portrayal at all, really. So, when I hear him say this, I don't like it. But it's never been the words themselves that I didn't like.
The problem is, I read the words with Sabat's voice all the time!
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by Eire » Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:48 am
Kamiccolo9 wrote:sintzu wrote:Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Vegeta doesn't respect his father,
and has accepted that his former Saiyan heritage is no longer the driving force behind his life.
We don't know if he hasn't out of respect for him or not.
Him becoming king doesn't mean it'll be the driving force to his life.
Vegeta insults his father every time he mentions him, which is, to my recollection, all of one time.
Could you quote that?
My opinion on topic? IRL in most of the cultures inheriting titles like King or Emporor wasn't something you could take for granted, even for the eldest and favourite child. You either had to be accepted by nobles and clergy or have enough balls and power to seize the title. Not to mention that proper ceremonies had to take place, most of which needed specific ritual and regalia- in medieval Europe hiding crown was a popular way to make coronation impossible since making a new one wasn't an option (taking older ones from the grave on the other hand...)
TL;DR- Vegeta probably never had a chance to validate his claim to the throne.
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by TheRed259 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:52 am
Fun Fact: Vegeta does call himself ''King of the Saiyans'' in the Greek & Italian dubs of the first Broly Movie.
I also noticed that he calls himself ''King'' in the Super Android 13 Movie (Italian dub).
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by Kamiccolo9 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:16 pm
Eire wrote:
Could you quote that?
My opinion on topic? IRL in most of the cultures inheriting titles like King or Emporor wasn't something you could take for granted, even for the eldest and favourite child. You either had to be accepted by nobles and clergy or have enough balls and power to seize the title. Not to mention that proper ceremonies had to take place, most of which needed specific ritual and regalia- in medieval Europe hiding crown was a popular way to make coronation impossible since making a new one wasn't an option (taking older ones from the grave on the other hand...)
TL;DR- Vegeta probably never had a chance to validate his claim to the throne.
It's when Freeza is telling Vegeta about his father, and Vegeta does a snide "Please...I was stronger than him when I was a kid."
(emoted for emphasis)
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by Eire » Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:59 am
Sine when telling that you are better at something counts as disrespect? Especially when he was talking to his sworn enemy so I doubt that he would confess his true feelings.
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by ABED » Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:10 pm
Eire wrote:Sine wiem telling that you are better at something counts ar disrespect? Especislly wiem hee was talking to his sworn enemy so I doubt that he would confess his true feelings.
This is not me being snobby, but this is really hard to understand.
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by Low Tone G » Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:18 pm
Do not worry cuz Vegeta will call himself
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by ParkerAL » Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:29 pm
Super Sonic wrote:Marco Polo wrote:You don't become king when the previous king dies, you become king when you are coronated. For example, in real life, Louis XX, the descendant of the last king of France, is known as a prince (as well as a duke) but obviously not a king.
They're still around? Thought they all got guillotined.
Louis XVI was the only French monarch ever executed by guillotine. His younger brother, Louis XVIII, came to the throne after the First French Republic and Napoleon's empire fell apart. The French spent much of the late 18th and early 19th centuries switching back and forth between Republicanism and Monarchism. The last French monarch was actually Emperor Napoleon III, the more famous Napoleon's nephew, who reigned from 1852 to 1870.
In regards to Vegeta's title, there are many examples of countries that had Princes as the head of state.
Hans-Adam II of Liechtenstein is a modern example. So I guess, to the extent that the Saiyans still have a government at all, it would a principality now, instead of kingdom.
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by Eire » Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:29 pm
ABED wrote:Eire wrote:Sine when telling that you are better at something counts are disrespect? Especially when he was talking to his sworn enemy so I doubt that he would confess his true feelings.
This is not me being snobby, but this is really hard to understand.
Sorry, it's not you, it's my spellcheck switching languages.
I think we can't judge Vegeta's feelings for his father from this single statement. Vegeta wanted to insult and enrage his enemy at the heat of the battle, not to make any kind of sincere confession. That's just (maybe a bit exacerbated) statement that gives us nothing about his personal feelings. We saw that relationship in Cold's family was more nuanced than hierarchy based on power, so why couldn't it be similar case?
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by sintzu » Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:14 pm
sintzu wrote:It would be epic if he declares himself king after killing Freeza.
It looks like Toriyama might think so as well :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNPNmXxIyPk
I hope this is true.
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by Low Tone G » Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:52 pm
I hope it's not... it was enough that he brought back Freeza, that was way too enough out of fanfic traits.
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by sintzu » Wed Mar 11, 2015 3:33 pm
Low Tone G wrote:
I hope it's not... it was enough that he brought back Freeza, that was way too enough out of fanfic traits.
The good guys are always coming back so what's wrong with it being the villain for once ?
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by Low Tone G » Wed Mar 11, 2015 3:47 pm
sintzu wrote:Low Tone G wrote:
I hope it's not... it was enough that he brought back Freeza, that was way too enough out of fanfic traits.
The good guys are always coming back so what's wrong with it being the villain for once ?
Bacause there are other 11 universes with nothing known about them and vaisting a two-hours long movie(if it will be that long) for a mirrored story of Freeza Arc it's nothing more than a fanfic idea(I hope that the execution will not be on that level).
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by Big Momma » Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:18 pm
Why do people give these types of videos any credit? Or even watch them?
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by Dyno » Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:25 pm
Big Momma wrote:Why do people give these types of videos any credit? Or even watch them?
Think they are too overhyped or just need to calm down emotionally.
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by sintzu » Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:14 pm
Big Momma wrote:
Why do people give these types of videos any credit? Or even watch them?
So we'll have something to talk about.
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by sayian_nation_ » Wed Mar 11, 2015 6:37 pm
Freeza made Vegetas dad his bitch and he witnessed it. I'd feel the same way about my so called King of Saiyans.
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by Marco Polo » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:07 pm
Saiyan_nation_ wrote:Freeza made Vegetas dad his bitch and he witnessed it. I'd feel the same way about my so called King of Saiyans.
Not canon. Vegeta's dad was Beerus' bitch instead.
