Petition for the rest of the Toonami dub post-RTD Edition

[UltimateHammerBro]

Even if there was a general agreement about how different the Toonami version is from the DBZ dub currently on DVD and Blu-Ray (redubbing of lines while keeping more or less the original cast, with only a few recasts, is not enough to set it apart IMO), there's no way that this is going to be profitable for Funimation.

• How limited would this edition have to be in order for them not to lose money? Keep in mind that it takes time and money to produce a DVD set.
• If they did a very limited edition, how much would each set have to cost for them not to lose money?
• Would they be certain that all of the copies would be sold?
• And finally: how many people, hardcore DBZ fans or not, would actually pay for this set, which would likely have to be more expensive than usual and essentially contains the same DBZ already available on DVD and Blu-Ray?

There are people who talk about it online, but remember that Funimation released the Dragon Boxes marketing them for the fans, and even in that case the sales weren't good enough to keep licensing them. The RTD Edition had an entirely different voice cast, and there was no way to turn the original Ocean dub into an uncut release, and there was a significant number of people eager to have an official release of that dub. And even with all of this, it had to be a limited edition. Every release, prior to being made, has to have a significant number of potential customers in order to make a profit.

I'm sorry to be that guy, but the real world's the real world.

That said, I could see a future release (yet another!) of DBZ, which included the original dub, when necessary, as an alternate track, in a format which didn't take too much space. But even that would have to be taken from the uncut DVDs, not from Toonami.

[90sDBZ]

The main reason I'd like to see this happen is for the old performances including Dale Kelly's work, as well as the old intros instead of that remastered dub one all the time. I know the singles do exist, but hunting them all down would be time consuming and ridiculously expensive in the long run. And even they had some redubbing done to them. I'd have been perfectly happy if the new Blu-rays had simply included an extra audio track which let you switch to the old dub with Sabat's original performance in Season 3, the old intros, filters left on 19 and Super Buu's voices, pointless lines that were later added in removed and such. They couldn't have done it for Season 1 and 2 for obvious reasons, but they could have done it from Ginyu Assault onwards.

I wouldn't mind it being Uncut. I know that the Ginyu Assault episode would still start at a different point, and that the Uncut version of the Cell Games never used Dale Kelly, but they could easily add Kelly's narration to the Uncut footage nonetheless.

For me the perfect release would be a Blu-ray with 4 Audio options:

1. English Remastered dub with Japanese music
2. English Remastered dub with English music
3. English Original dub with English music (available from episode 68 onwards)
4. Original Japanese Audio

It would include all NEPs and eyecatches. It would use Rock the Dragon as the Intro/Ending for the Captain Ginyu and Frieza sagas if you selected Original dub, and then Faulconer's intros/endings from the Garlic Jr saga onwards. And it would also include Dale Kelly during the Cell Games if you selected original dub. This way we'd still get to cherrypick which dub we wanted, and we wouldn't have people complaining about it being censored in 2015. It would be the ultimate package to Funimation dub fans new and old.

OR what they could do to justify releasing the old dub edited is simply have 2 Audio tracks:

1. Funimation's original edited inhouse dub of episodes 54-276

AND (for those who want this)

2. The Westwood dub as an added option for episodes 108-276

It works because the Westwood dub is edited by default anyway. It does contain some extra cuts on top of Funi's, but that would be no big deal for those who still care about this dub. This way it would be appealing to 2 niches at the same time.

[Kakacarrottop]

If this release ever does come to fruition (i highly doubt it) then I think FUNi could be able to distinguish it from similar releases by adding a few extras. For example they could finally add the option to hear the Japanese voices with American music, they could also make the Shuki Levy score from the Saban dub an audio option, and maybe add a few Westwood dub episodes as extras on each disc or something.

[VegettoEX]

For example they could finally add the option to hear the Japanese voices with American music

This is not technically/realistically/feasibly possible due to a lack of an isolated Japanese voice track. One-off fan interpolations don't count and would never fly as a legitimate release. Furthermore, they would have to edit the Japanese recordings to fit with the edited visuals, which is insane.

they could also make the Shuki Levy score from the Saban dub an audio option

There is no Levy score beyond episode 53, and that's already been released as the "Rock the Dragon" set.

and maybe add a few Westwood dub episodes as extras on each disc or something.

FUNimation does not own the rights to that production. That's not to say they maybe couldn't secure them, but it would be incredibly counter-productive for them to go after an alternate dub that they didn't create.

[clutchins]

I wouldn't mind it being Uncut. I know that the Ginyu Assault episode would still start at a different point, and that the Uncut version of the Cell Games never used Dale Kelly, but they could easily add Kelly's narration to the Uncut footage nonetheless.

The only reason those Cell Games DVDs don't have Dale Kelly is because they were released in 2004 when they had begun the process of redubbing the narration with Kyle Hebert. The first two volumes (Ultimatum and A Moment's Peace) were released in 2002, well before Kyle Hebert's time. Toonami aired those episodes with Dale Kelly and actually all five edited VHS volumes that were released before discontinuation of that set had his narrations kept in where possible. Granted the VHS tapes only had one recap and one NEP per tape, but they still exist.

[andrewtuell1991]

The only part of the original TV dub that would warrant a second box set is the "Captain Ginyu, Freeza, and Garlic Jr. Sagas" (episodes 54/68 - 102/117) as the difference between the scripts and voices are different enough to justify a second RTD boxset's existence. From the "Trunks Saga" (episode 118/103) onwards, any difference of voice-acting and music is too minuscule to give a crap about. I'd imagine, based on the first boxset, that FUNi would only release the edited versions of episodes 54-57 and 64-65. Since the first boxset had 7 episodes to a disc, I'd picture the second boxset to be something like this:

Disc 1. Episodes 54-60
Disc 2. Episodes 61-67
Disc 3. Episodes 68-74
Disc 4. Episodes 75-81
Disc 5. Episodes 82-88
Disc 6. Episodes 89-95
Disc 7. Episodes 96-102
Disc 8. Original "Lord Slug" and "Cooler's Revenge" dubs
Disc 9. Original "Bardock: The Father of Goku" and "The History of Trunks" dubs

[Daimo-Rukiri]

Hey, am I in the year 2000? I could have sworn this was 2015.

Pull me in, this decade sucks! I want a redo! jk

Getting TV Recordings is your best bet, I never recorded the Toonami Broadcast minus a few episodes which were thrown away years ago minus Japanese TV recordings.
The Toonami Broadcast is available online in good audio, pq is another story and... have fun with google! I'd watch the edited version again just for laughs if it comes with Trunks's time machine.

[mister yummy]

Unless I'm mistaken, the Edited for TV English Version of every episode of Dragonball Z is available on VHS, and the majority of them on DVD. I've touted that release for years as the only consistant release of the series on home video in North America prior to the orange bricks. I seem to remember a controversy over weather or not a few Cell Saga tapes were ever released edited from a few years back, but Ialso seem to remember discovering that they were indeed released. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

Slightly off topic, but all of the Edited for TV English Version episodes of Dragonball GT are also available on VHS, but the "Lost Episodes" are very rare. Actually, I may be mistaken about that one too... I'm absolutely sure, however, that Dragonball only has Edited TV Versions on VHS up to the "Ti<i></i>en Shinhan Saga", and the remainder is available on Uncut DVD only. I'm sure someone's taped them from Cartoon Network and uploaded them somewhere if you're desperate enough... Actually, I taped quite a few myself.

[clutchins]

Unless I'm mistaken, the Edited for TV English Version of every episode of Dragonball Z is available on VHS, and the majority of them on DVD. I've touted that release for years as the only consistant release of the series on home video in North America prior to the orange bricks. I seem to remember a controversy over weather or not a few Cell Saga tapes were ever released edited from a few years back, but Ialso seem to remember discovering that they were indeed released. Can anyone confirm or deny this?)

The edited version of every DBZ episode is not on VHS because there are only 5 out of 9 Cell Games edited tapes. And on top of that there are still missing recaps and previews across the board - VHS and DVD. The DVDs were uncut-only. Go back and read the beginning of thread because I have already laid out all the details and explained my case for this potential product.

[NitroEX]

For example they could finally add the option to hear the Japanese voices with American music

Not quite what you have in mind but your comment reminded me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GKE-qwLH4o

[TheBlackPaladin]

It may also be worth noting that part of the reason some (not all, but some) of the lines were redubbed is because the original sound files were lost. Sabat has said that on a select few, extremely rare occasions, one of their previously-recorded audio files for a particular line of dialogue will get lost, necessitating some re-recording. So, some of the "Toonami versions" of certain lines of dialogue are quite possibly lost forever anyway.

[Valerius Dover]

It may also be worth noting that part of the reason some (not all, but some) of the lines were redubbed is because the original sound files were lost. Sabat has said that on a select few, extremely rare occasions, one of their previously-recorded audio files for a particular line of dialogue will get lost, necessitating some re-recording. So, some of the "Toonami versions" of certain lines of dialogue are quite possibly lost forever anyway.

Ah, that might also be the reason behind the Faulconer score for Episode 70 being completely replaced by other Faulconer tracks, as well. They may have lost the original tracks for the episode, so they had to replace the replacement.

[thaman91]

What may have happened regarding the changed music is that the music on the orange bricks was how it was originally mixed. And then it was re-mixed at Funi's request for the original DVDs. But for the orange bricks release, they put on it the episodes as they were originally mixed. At least, that's what I remember Scott Morgan saying a while back.

So they replaced the replaced replacement with the original replacement

[TheBalishChannel]

Because this topic interests me so much, I threw together my own hypothetical DVD in the style of what I think a follow up set might have looked like if it contained the next seven episodes in the series. It resembles and functions almost identically to the "Rock The Dragon" DVD set, but I took a couple liberties in order for it to be distinguishable from the previous set. You can download the .ISO file here (193.8mb): https://mega.co.nz/#!kwVSzTJC!DXcqodqrF ... rPYrYIxehc

Eventually, I plan on taking this project seriously by burning the complete episodes (recaps, next episode previews, original narrations, etc) to physical discs so I can distribute them to some close friends of mine who loved watching the show as I did over a decade ago.