The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Angelus]

Alright, one more for the road:

Chilled VS First Form Frieza

former versus:

Spoiler:

SSJ Bardock (Episode of Bardock Movie) VS Vegeta (Post-Recoome Zenkai)

SSJ3 Goku (in Other World body) VS Pre-Split Fat Buu (with SSJ2 Majin Vegeta and Piccolo absorbed)-- no candy beams or any more absorbing

TV Special Base Young Future Trunks (post-Gohan training but pre-SSJ transformation) VS Cell Games Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu (No Tribeams or Kienzans)

Android 13 VS Android 19 and 20 (no absorbing)

USSJ Future Trunks (Post-2nd day ROSAT) VS SSJ Broly (Movie 10)

[dbgtFO]

Alright, one more for the road:

Chilled VS First Form Freeza

I think Freeza is a bit stronger than Chilled, so he wins after a hard fought battle.

[Kaboom]

base Future Trunks (post-1st day RoSaT) vs. 70% Freeza

Freeza wins, and pretty easily. He'd be around 80 million, while my arbitrary numbers place Trunks at "only" a little under 20 million.

Mutaito vs Grandpa Gohan
Raspberry vs. King Chappa

— Hmmm... *flips a coin* Gohan wins.
— I'm guessing that even if Rasberry is among the weakest of Freeza's soldiers, he can still take down a relatively normal Earthling.

Bojack (base form), Perfect Cell, Dabra and SSJ Majin Vegeta vs. SSJ Gohan (Cell Games), SSJ Goku (Buu arc), Kaioshin and Paikuhan.

The heroes win, mostly thanks to Paikuhan.

Super Saiyan potara fusion of Goten and Trunks* vs. Super Saiyan 2 or 3 Gogeta (*Kids are post-RoSaT.)
Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta (pre-Majin) vs. SPC** (**Cell has no regeneration.)

— Gogeta wins, because Goku/Vegeta Fusions are just "better" regardless of method. If Trunten were allowed to use Super Saiyan 2 or 3 himself, he might stand a chance.
— Vegeta wins. He's possibly still a tad weaker than Cell, but he'd be able to make up for it.

SSJ Bardock (Episode of Bardock Movie) VS Vegeta (Post-Recoome Zenkai)
SSJ3 Goku (in Other World body) VS Pre-Split Fat Buu (with SSJ2 Majin Vegeta and Piccolo absorbed)-- no candy beams or any more absorbing
TV Special Base Young Future Trunks (post-Gohan training but pre-SSJ transformation) VS Cell Games Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu (No Tribeams or Kienzans)
Android 13 VS Android 19 and 20 (no absorbing)
USSJ Future Trunks (Post-2nd day ROSAT) VS SSJ Broly (Movie 10)

— Assuming Bardock's at least at his 10,000 level from the first special in base, if not stronger, then at Super Saiyan he ends up at 500,000 or more, just like 1st-form Freeza. Quite a bit stronger than Vegeta's 250,000. Bardock cleans house.
— Fat Boo's right about half as strong as SS3 Goku in my eyes (based mostly on SS2 Gohan's ki powering Boo up to "almost half"). So absorbing SS2 Vegeta brings him up to about 3/4 of Goku's strength instead, and Piccolo's strength doesn't make much difference. So Goku can still win pretty easily if he goes all-out.
— If Trunks is supposed to be similar to manga Trunks, who at Super Saiyan seemed to be on-par with base Gohan, then in base he'd "only" have a PL of under a hundred thousand. In my book, Kuririn could take him easily with a large power advantage (over 100k), Tenshinhan's probably closer to him and has a huge skill advantage and can beat him too. Yamcha and Chaozu might be in trouble. ...Oh wait, they're fighting him as a group? Then he's doomed. Chaozu holds him in a psychic lock while Kuririn and Ten just mercilessly beat him to death and Yamcha stays out of the way to avoid getting killed in some freak accident.
— My arbitrary power levels for both sets of Androids say that No.13 is too strong for them.
— Broli is on-par with Cell at full power, and still too much for Trunks to handle, with or without the speed deficiency of Grade 3.

SSJ2 Gotenks post vs. Redjic

Normal Logic: As a random space dude, Redgic's power is nothing compared to that of a Fusion of two Super Saiyans, despite being 1,000x cooler than THIS particular one. He gets beaten pretty badly.
GT Logic: As someone with enough strength to coerce our almighty lord and master Base Son Goku to actually use Super Saiyan, Redgic is automatically 5,000x stronger than anyone from DBZ. He disintegrates Gotenks by glaring at him.

Chilled VS First Form Freeza

Freeza wins this one, I'd say. As I mentioned above, based on his 10,000 base strength from the first special, Super Saiyan Bardock would be up there around Freeza's 530,000 strength, and he totally kicked Chilled's ass. Freeza can do the same.

[Lord Beerus]

Chilled VS First Form Freeza

Freeza stomps.

[Dyno]

Grimlock (G1 continuity) vs King Vegeta.

[RandomGuy96]

Alright, one more for the road:

Chilled VS First Form Freeza

former versus:

Spoiler:

SSJ Bardock (Episode of Bardock Movie) VS Vegeta (Post-Recoome Zenkai)

SSJ3 Goku (in Other World body) VS Pre-Split Fat Buu (with SSJ2 Majin Vegeta and Piccolo absorbed)-- no candy beams or any more absorbing

TV Special Base Young Future Trunks (post-Gohan training but pre-SSJ transformation) VS Cell Games Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu (No Tribeams or Kienzans)

Android 13 VS Android 19 and 20 (no absorbing)

USSJ Future Trunks (Post-2nd day ROSAT) VS SSJ Broly (Movie 10)

Bardock, at less than 200,000 (as being 4,000 or more in base would make him a mid-class like Nappa, and he's explicitly stated to be weaker than mid-class), tanked all of Chilled's attacks and then killed him with one blast. So Freeza wins easily. Heck, Freeza could repeat those feats on SS Bardock himself. I think even Ginyu could handily defeat Chilled.

[Sandubadear]

After all, "Cold and Freeza are the only mutants with abnormally strong battle powers"

[TheGmGoken]

Morlun vs Dragonball universe how far does he gets. I'm predicting Yamcha at 21st Budokai but that might be too far.

[Lord Beerus]

Morlun vs Dragonball universe how far does he gets. I'm predicting Yamcha at 21st Budokai but that might be too far.

Morlun hits a brick wall against 22nd Budokai Tenkaichi Roshi.

[In Brightest Day]

Morlun vs Dragonball universe how far does he gets. I'm predicting Yamcha at 21st Budokai but that might be too far.

Morlun is a Spiderman villain, right? He stops at 1st appearance Roshi.

[Angelus]

— Broli is on-par with Cell at full power, and still too much for Trunks to handle, with or without the speed deficiency of Grade 3.

But this is a movie 10 SSJ Broly, not LSSJ.

Bardock, at less than 200,000 (as being 4,000 or more in base would make him a mid-class like Nappa, and he's explicitly stated to be weaker than mid-class), tanked all of Chilled's attacks and then killed him with one blast.

And where was it stated that Bardock was weaker than a mid-class?

[Kamiccolo9]

Morlun vs Dragonball universe how far does he gets. I'm predicting Yamcha at 21st Budokai but that might be too far.

Morlun is a Spiderman villain, right? He stops at 1st appearance Roshi.

Morlun's....weird.

He has feats ranging from Spider-Man level all the way to stuff that the Hulk normally couldn't even do, such as ripping through adamantium. He has also survived a nuclear explosion. Spider-Man also said that Morlun hit him harder than he's ever been hit before, and Spidey's fought with Thor, the Hulk, and the Juggernaut.

So, this could go either way, really. Depending on how Morlun's being depicted, Roshi would be able to win, if Morlun didn't siphon enough power off of him to turn the tables. Alternatively, Morlun could roflstomp Roshi, and then proceed to lose to Namu or something. At full power, I'd say he makes it well into Z.

[Kaboom]

But this is a movie 10 SSJ Broly, not LSSJ.

Well, all the same, since I think Movie 10 SS Broli had become roughly as strong as his Movie 8 LSS self. In fact, without the stress and speed loss of LSS, it's an even easier fight for him now.

And where was it stated that Bardock was weaker than a mid-class?

Strictly it's not, Toriyama just said that he was never promoted. He also said he was in the top percentage of low-classes, so he could well have been stronger than some of them and due for promotion soon. There's some wiggle room with guessing his power level.

[singsing]

Wasn't Bardock something like 500k+ in the TV special though? He was approaching King Vegeta.

[Kaboom]

Wasn't Bardock something like 500k+ in the TV special though? He was approaching King Vegeta.

The comparison to King Vegeta was just an invention of the TV special's awful dub, but the original Japanese version said he was approaching 10,000 (which means he'd be up around 500k as a Super Saiyan in Episode of Bardock). But Toriyama's recent Q&A comments about Bardock implies he was weak enough that he didn't get promoted to an elite.

So since we have two different alternate versions of Bardock's story now (sort of like we already did with Future Trunks), we can assign a somewhat weaker power level to him in DB Minus (Toriyama's version accompanied by Toriyama's comment about his power), while his animated self remains up near 10,000 like he was plainly said to be.

[RandomGuy96]

— Broli is on-par with Cell at full power, and still too much for Trunks to handle, with or without the speed deficiency of Grade 3.

But this is a movie 10 SSJ Broly, not LSSJ.

Bardock, at less than 200,000 (as being 4,000 or more in base would make him a mid-class like Nappa, and he's explicitly stated to be weaker than mid-class), tanked all of Chilled's attacks and then killed him with one blast.

And where was it stated that Bardock was weaker than a mid-class?

Ooishi: About how high was Bardock’s battle power, ultimately? (In Episode of Bardock) Also, if he hadn’t been defeated by Freeza and had continued his growth, about how strong would he have gotten?

Toriyama: To be honest, I haven’t thought it through that far, but Bardock is a low-class warrior. Although even saying that, almost all [Saiyans] were low-class warriors, and there were only about 10 mid-class warriors. And when you get to the elite warriors, there’s only King Vegeta and Prince Vegeta. Bardock is in the upper ranks as far as low-class warriors go, but he isn’t able to become a mid-class warrior.

This rank is determined by an innate latent battle power, but naturally, if their battle power rises greatly afterward, they can be promoted.

[Angelus]

Oh! So canon Bardock is weaker than Nappa.

And all this time that Vegeta complains that Goku was a low-class warrior, the first time they met, Goku was already an elite in terms of power level.

Speaking of Bardock let's have some versus about him:

SSJ3 Anime Bardock (Episode of Bardock; assume he gets a small zenkai from being healed) VS Third Form Frieza

Great Ape Manga Bardock (DB Minus) VS Transformed Zarbon

Anime King Vegeta VS Manga Bardock and Anime Bardock (TV Special, Bardock the Father of Goku)

Chilled VS Great Ape Anime Bardock (Episode of Bardock; he doesn't go SSJ but goes Great Ape instead)

100% Final Form Frieza VS SSJ4 Anime Bardock (Episode of Bardock)

former versus:

Spoiler:

SSJ Bardock (Episode of Bardock Movie) VS Vegeta (Post-Recoome Zenkai)

SSJ3 Goku (in Other World body) VS Pre-Split Fat Buu (with SSJ2 Majin Vegeta and Piccolo absorbed)-- no candy beams or any more absorbing

TV Special Base Young Future Trunks (post-Gohan training but pre-SSJ transformation) VS Cell Games Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu (No Tribeams or Kienzans)

Android 13 VS Android 19 and 20 (no absorbing)

USSJ Future Trunks (Post-2nd day ROSAT) VS SSJ Broly (Movie 10)

[Dyno]

Well, since I am unable to quote you, I will answer like so:

"Oh! So canon Bardock is weaker than Nappa. "

No. Because this is going word-by-word, which is something we can't do. Nappa is a mid-level soldier and is weaker than Kakarot, who is a low-class soldier. It is totally plausible to think Bardock is stronger than some mid-class, a promotion could very well happen in the "one month to destuction".


"And all this time that Vegeta complains that Goku was a low-class warrior, the first time they met, Goku was already an elite in terms of power level. "

We don't know. Nappa's power level is a guide thing. We don't know if Nappa has indeed 4.000 in the manga.


"SSJ3 Anime Bardock (Episode of Bardock; assume he gets a small zenkai from being healed) VS Third Form Freeza"

Bardock.

"Great Ape Manga Bardock (DB Minus) VS Transformed Zarbon"

Bardock or draw (considering Bardock has 3.000 here), as discussed in another thread.

"Anime King Vegeta VS Manga Bardock and Anime Bardock (TV Special, Bardock the Father of Goku)"

You may want to specify "manga Bardock" better. The one that appeared in Chapter 307 is from the TV Special.

"Chilled VS Great Ape Anime Bardock (Episode of Bardock; he doesn't go SSJ but goes Great Ape instead)"

Chilled. Considering his Zenkai was not a total "mess" like the one Kakarot got.

"100% Final Form Freeza VS SSJ4 Anime Bardock (Episode of Bardock)"

Bardock.

[DBZAOTA482]

Goku (Namek Saga) vs. Captain Ginyu ; equal power levels

[Kamiccolo9]

Well, since I am unable to quote you, I will answer like so:

"Oh! So canon Bardock is weaker than Nappa. "

No. Because this is going word-by-word, which is something we can't do. Nappa is a mid-level soldier and is weaker than Kakarot, who is a low-class soldier. It is totally plausible to think Bardock is stronger than some mid-class, a promotion could very well happen in the "one month to destuction".

Way to leave out the "He is incapable of ever becoming middle class" quote.