Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Herms]

Julian retweeted this. Wonder what is written but it looks very interesting.

Seems Freeza isn't too happy at the thought of getting beaten again after going through all the trouble of coming back to life.

[Chuquita]

Look at this picture from Fukkatsu no F... I love that spaceship

Spoiler:

So it seems that Jaco brings his spaceship with him ^^ From Dragon Ball Dream Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dragon-B ... 0244318953

May Jaco and Bulma have an amazing dialogue!

OMG! It's the ship! Good eye whoever spotted that!

Re: Chapter 2 of the manga adaption

I am so, so ready. I'm like, Spongebob-level ready for Chapter 2 , because it's my two favorite saiyajin as classmates, and Gokû and Vegeta interaction is one of my favorite things about Dragon Ball; especially because of how high Toriyama cranked up Gokû's Gokû-ness in BOG compared to how Toei writes him. I hope it to be marvelous.

[Dyno]

Seems Freeza isn't too happy at the thought of getting beaten again after going through all the trouble of coming back to life.

counting Movie 12, Vegeta is the only one that hasn't defeated Freeza yet. It is his chance and moment!

[Tennessaiyan]

I couldn't agree more about Goku and his "Goku-ness," Chuquita. No one writes Goku like AT does. In BOG it was like we got back the Saiyan we all know and love from the anime/manga ^^

Similarly, in the non-AT movies ,Vegeta seemed a little too stoic. Maybe thats why a lot of fans thought he was out of character in BOG. But Vegeta has changed, and AT brought full attention to that by featuring him sacrificing his pride via the bingo song X) Which I fully enjoyed.

[fadeddreams5]

Yeah but how much time passed between when Goku left for Namek and when he fought Freeza? How much stronger did he get? It was a ridiculous level of strength gained. Freeza's power level at 100% pure final form was on a level that no one could touch and yet Goku miraculously was able to do so in a short amount of time.

According to the DB timeline... Goku is hospitalized from his fight with Vegeta (which was on Nov. 3rd), November 4th of Age 762. Goku leaves for Namek on December 18 of Age 762 and completes his training under 100x gravity by December 23rd. Goku transforms into a SSJ on December 24th. That means in a span of just over a month Goku went from his power level fighting the saiyans to Freeza's level and beyond. The difference in their power between when he left and when he defeated Freeza was about as astronomical as this.

To put things in perspective. Radditz arrived only one year before that when everyone's power levels were below 1000. It's not that hard to believe.

The perceived strength of SSJ3 Goku vs. Beerus is unknown. Goku could have been completely defeated by a flick of Freeza's finger if Freeza had run into him when Radditz did. Freeza was like a million times stronger. Goku was able to close-in on that in about a year. Most of that in just about a month.

All of this.

I honestly think most fans seem to have forgotten the concept that X amount of training in certain circumstances can produce X amount of results. I mean it seem as though that the idea of training really hard to become incredibly strong has now become an alien concept to fans because somebody other than the Saiyans or Nameks have actually benefited greatly from it.

My issue with Frieza training is that he claims he becomes as strong as he does simply because he's a prodigy. If he became strong by training a certain way that can make him that much stronger, it wouldn't irk me. I guess I have to reserve my judgement until we see how exactly he trains, but it is different from Goku.

1. Goku has a unique saiyan trait: zenkai.
2. Goku had two unique training methods heading to Namek.

Goku was killed during the Raditz fight. This gave him the opportunity to train under King Kai, be exposed to gravity training for the first time, and learn two new techniques. Later, he was beaten to a pulp during the Vegeta fight (Zenkai!). Then, he had gravity training. If training under 10x normal gravity made him as strong as it did for the saiyan fight, naturally, 100x gave him a ridiculous increase. Not to mention, during his training, he was badly injured and used a senzu bean, so that means... zenkai! On Namek, Goku got the biggest beating of his entire life thanks to Captain Ginyu, and naturally, that gave him the greatest zenkai boost imaginable. Pretty ridiculous, but it is what it is. Despite this increase, he was no match for 50% Frieza. Goku progressively became what Frieza feared most using the method that encouraged Frieza to destroy Planet Vegeta in the first place: zenkai!

[GeeRod]

What's up with this rumor about Vegeta exploding Freeza and screaming ''I'M THE KING OF ALL SAIYANS'' bullshit?

[Herms]

Bulma's blog has been updated with a comment from Trunks. Future Trunks. Yes, really. Apparently he mailed a letter to the past. Somehow.

What's up with this rumor about Vegeta exploding Freeza and screaming ''I'M THE KING OF ALL SAIYANS'' bullshit?

Never heard of it, but it's obviously not based on any real information actually revealed about the movie thus far, if that's what you're wondering. If you're wondering how these bizarre rumors get started, then...well, that's a mystery for the ages.

[fadeddreams5]

What's up with this rumor about Vegeta exploding Freeza and screaming ''I'M THE KING OF ALL SAIYANS'' bullshit?

Vegeta is going to shove his fist down Frieza's throat. As Frieza groans and says, "...how could I...Frieza...beaten by a prince of apes...", Vegeta responds, "That's king to you... bitch." Vegeta pecks him on the cheek before Frieza explodes. His body parts are later collected and molded into golden saiyan armor, befitting of a king.

Confirmed.

[Abel Taylor]

Bulma's blog has been updated with a comment from Trunks. Future Trunks. Yes, really.

Wow! I told my brother and friends the other day "I bet Future Trunks will be on the blog!" Naturally, I was called a nerd, being asked what blog I was talking about. Still, I called that. It's as if I'm psychic.

[SSJ Electric Fury]

What's up with this rumor about Vegeta exploding Freeza and screaming ''I'M THE KING OF ALL SAIYANS'' bullshit?

Vegeta is going to shove his fist down Freeza's throat. As Freeza groans and says, "...how could I...Freeza...beaten by a prince of apes...", Vegeta responds, "That's king to you... bitch." Vegeta pecks him on the cheek before Freeza explodes. His body parts are later collected and molded into golden saiyan armor, befitting of a king.

Confirmed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNPNmXxIyPk

Another rumor about the ending... I hope it is...

[ParkerAL]

I hate the main Saiyans fighting in their base form, I like Super Saiyans transformations and the Super Saiyan itself is the essence of the series, that's why one of the most memorable episodes is when Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan for the first time.

Essence of the series? It doesn't show up until roughly three-fifths of the way through. Goku turns into a Super Saiyan in Chapter 317 of the 519-chapter-long manga.The Super Saiyan transformation is just one of many iconic features of the franchise, like the Kamehameha Wave and the Dragon Balls.

Toriyama trying to make us forget these wonderful transformations is just LAME

They've been around for more than two decades. No one is going to forget them.

[Saiga]

Taking the Kamehameha or Dragon Balls out probably wouldn't be a good idea either.

[bleed0range]

There were drastic changes with Kid Gohan's SSJ2 appearance. He looked like a small adult. >.>

That's not really true at all. Really only his hair changed... became more gold right after the transformation (but that's really from the ki power up around him) and stuck up more. Besides being drawn slightly cooler maybe, that was the only actual difference. The animation quality shot up around that time but still. He did look angrier more often as a SSJ2, so maybe that's where you're getting this adult thing. But Gohan aged in the ROSAT so that's why he is older looking.


SSJ


SSJ2

Yeah but how much time passed between when Goku left for Namek and when he fought Freeza? How much stronger did he get? It was a ridiculous level of strength gained. Freeza's power level at 100% pure final form was on a level that no one could touch and yet Goku miraculously was able to do so in a short amount of time.

According to the DB timeline... Goku is hospitalized from his fight with Vegeta (which was on Nov. 3rd), November 4th of Age 762. Goku leaves for Namek on December 18 of Age 762 and completes his training under 100x gravity by December 23rd. Goku transforms into a SSJ on December 24th. That means in a span of just over a month Goku went from his power level fighting the saiyans to Freeza's level and beyond. The difference in their power between when he left and when he defeated Freeza was about as astronomical as this.

To put things in perspective. Radditz arrived only one year before that when everyone's power levels were below 1000. It's not that hard to believe.

The perceived strength of SSJ3 Goku vs. Beerus is unknown. Goku could have been completely defeated by a flick of Freeza's finger if Freeza had run into him when Radditz did. Freeza was like a million times stronger. Goku was able to close-in on that in about a year. Most of that in just about a month.

All of this.

I honestly think most fans seem to have forgotten the concept that X amount of training in certain circumstances can produce X amount of results. I mean it seem as though that the idea of training really hard to become incredibly strong has now become an alien concept to fans because somebody other than the Saiyans or Nameks have actually benefited greatly from it.

Actually, I said all of that, not mikey4111! I know you just misquoted haha.

I think a lot of it has to do with, people can get behind the protagonist of the story gaining immense strength in a short period of time to defeat evil because you are rooting for the good guy to win. It's just easier to be on their side.

[sintzu]

Wow, people really don't Vegeta to be the hero for once do they?

Unfortunately not even though it makes since in terms of the story and will help the series get better.

[Saiga]

It's already been pointed out that their are people who'd like him as the hero and still hate that godawful ending rumour.

[bleed0range]

Yeah but how much time passed between when Goku left for Namek and when he fought Freeza? How much stronger did he get? It was a ridiculous level of strength gained. Freeza's power level at 100% pure final form was on a level that no one could touch and yet Goku miraculously was able to do so in a short amount of time.

According to the DB timeline... Goku is hospitalized from his fight with Vegeta (which was on Nov. 3rd), November 4th of Age 762. Goku leaves for Namek on December 18 of Age 762 and completes his training under 100x gravity by December 23rd. Goku transforms into a SSJ on December 24th. That means in a span of just over a month Goku went from his power level fighting the saiyans to Freeza's level and beyond. The difference in their power between when he left and when he defeated Freeza was about as astronomical as this.

To put things in perspective. Radditz arrived only one year before that when everyone's power levels were below 1000. It's not that hard to believe.

The perceived strength of SSJ3 Goku vs. Beerus is unknown. Goku could have been completely defeated by a flick of Freeza's finger if Freeza had run into him when Radditz did. Freeza was like a million times stronger. Goku was able to close-in on that in about a year. Most of that in just about a month.

All of this.

I honestly think most fans seem to have forgotten the concept that X amount of training in certain circumstances can produce X amount of results. I mean it seem as though that the idea of training really hard to become incredibly strong has now become an alien concept to fans because somebody other than the Saiyans or Nameks have actually benefited greatly from it.

My issue with Freeza training is that he claims he becomes as strong as he does simply because he's a prodigy. If he became strong by training a certain way that can make him that much stronger, it wouldn't irk me. I guess I have to reserve my judgement until we see how exactly he trains, but it is different from Goku.

1. Goku has a unique saiyan trait: zenkai.
2. Goku had two unique training methods heading to Namek.

Goku was killed during the Raditz fight. This gave him the opportunity to train under King Kai, be exposed to gravity training for the first time, and learn two new techniques. Later, he was beaten to a pulp during the Vegeta fight (Zenkai!). Then, he had gravity training. If training under 10x normal gravity made him as strong as it did for the saiyan fight, naturally, 100x gave him a ridiculous increase. Not to mention, during his training, he was badly injured and used a senzu bean, so that means... zenkai! On Namek, Goku got the biggest beating of his entire life thanks to Captain Ginyu, and naturally, that gave him the greatest zenkai boost imaginable. Pretty ridiculous, but it is what it is. Despite this increase, he was no match for 50% Freeza. Goku progressively became what Freeza feared most using the method that encouraged Freeza to destroy Planet Vegeta in the first place: zenkai!

While that's all true... yeah Goku gets serious power ups for being a saiyan... we don't know that much about Freeza's race and what it is capable of. Freeza himself was naturally strong with a power level over a million! The only beings more powerful then him at the time were a GOD and an ancient evil locked away and forgotten. Given that his base level which was actually him as a "weakling" was THAT strong... it stands to reason his body or his race may be capable of gains even greater then that of Goku.

[sintzu]

It's already been pointed out that their are people who'd like him as the hero and still hate that godawful ending rumour.

There are a lot who want him as the hero but on the flip side there are people who don't.

[ParkerAL]

Taking the Kamehameha or Dragon Balls out probably wouldn't be a good idea either.

Sure it could. It would all depend on what kind of story Toriyama or Toei set out to tell. There's nothing inherently wrong with not using some of a series's notable features in new material. Not every Dragon Ball story needs Super Saiyans, Goku's signature attacks or even the dragon balls themselves as long as it keeps the series's general aesthetic and brand of action. I'd welcome stories set in the Dragon Ball universe that ditch most of its familiar trappings. More stories like Jaco: The Galactic Patrolman, for instance.

[bleed0range]

Taking the Kamehameha or Dragon Balls out probably wouldn't be a good idea either.

Sure it could. It would all depend on what kind of story Toriyama or Toei set out to tell. There's nothing inherently wrong with not using some of a series's notable features in new material. Not every Dragon Ball story needs Super Saiyans, Goku's signature attacks or even the dragon balls themselves as long as it keeps the series's general aesthetic and brand of action. I'd welcome stories set in the Dragon Ball universe that ditch most of its familiar trappings. More stories like Jaco: The Galactic Patrolman, for instance.

Dragon Ball is not about super saiyans... it's about Son Goku and his ability to overcome any obstacles in his way (well this is one of the things it's about haha) It's about him being smart enough of a warrior to take techniques that he learns and use them better then anyone else. Kaioken is just an example of one thing... along with the kamehameha. It doesn't matter what he learns, it's that he learns new things but uses them in ways that go beyond what anyone expected. It's about him reaching USSJ and understanding it's weaknesses and realizing that SSJ2 was the "right way" to do the form. It doesn't matter if they use super saiyans transformations or not to convey this feeling.

It also doesn't matter if Vegeta finally understands these things too and is able to get the upper hand for once. The main thing always holding him back was his hot headedness. He is able to achieve most of the forms that Goku can along the way but he is always behind because of his impatience to do so. He reaches USSJ and declares himself obviously the strongest. He gets a power level gain and thinks he is a SSJ in front of Freeza, etc. Perhaps he has learned something by now from Goku and why he gets the upper hand. The only reason he was unable to achieve SSJ3 is because Goku did it in the afterlife which has different rules that apply. He admitted it was not a transformation that could probably be attained or easily attained in the real world... and Gotenks can only do it because of the magical properties of fusion.

[Chuquita]

Re: Vegeta and winning

If we don't get the cliffhanger I'm so hungry for, I would want Vegeta to win, if only because of how entertaining he gets when he has the upper hand. Things like "SUPER Vegeta" (You don't see Gohan calling himself "Super Gohan" upon achieving ssj), 'I am pure of heart, pure EVIL! Bwahahaha!', and one of my favorites--the look he gives Gokû upon exiting with Trunks from the Room of Spirit and Time safe in the knowledge that he is, at that moment, stronger than Gokû. That look that just creeps Gokû out so much it gets a reaction-type backdrop. X3
Vegeta is fun when he's hammy.

There's also the genuinely dangerous "Vegeta's winning" moments like in the Buu arc when he's all "cuffs Gokû to the mountainside, lightly caresses his cheek before slapping him." stuff.