Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Ajay]

At the risk of sounding rude, it's because Kakarot9001's English doesn't seem to be good enough to fully understand the point everyone is making. It happened previously in an engagement I had with him so I just let it be.

No. It's just that I barely read what you said before about boil characters taking Vegeta as an example, pardon.

Well, that's pretty disheartening to read. If we take the time to read and respond to your posts in some detail, the least you can do is give us the same courtesy. It would save a lot of headaches and frustration in the long run.

And, if you're simply disinterested in reading what someone has to say, it's probably best not to respond at all. It's not fun to try and hold a conversation with someone who's not paying any attention to what you're saying.

[Chuquita]

The Bulma blog should be posting a few hours from now.

[Kakarot9001]

Well, that's pretty disheartening to read. If we take the time to read and respond to your posts in some detail, the least you can do is give us the same courtesy. It would save a lot of headaches and frustration in the long run.

And, if you're simply disinterested in reading what someone has to say, it's probably best not to respond at all. It's not fun to try and told a conversation with someone who's not paying any attention to what you're saying.

My mistake, I read really fast... Which made me assume that you were comparing Vegeta with Beerus in development, which was not your point actually, sorry.

[Dyno]

I hope it is Gine's voice actress giving her words at how wonderful and cute was to play Gine.

[fadeddreams5]

No. I didn't deny anything... I said many times that in my point of view Linda Young is a better portrayal as Freeza than Ayres, it's you that insists saying this that means to me something like: "You must retreat what you said man, I know it's your opinion right, but I don't care because nobody agrees with you, so you're wrong, admit this please"

Besides, for me that's no such thing as "factually wrong" if you can't leave someone with a opinion that highly differs from yours, it's a shame

I posted this before:
Akira Toriyama created Freeza with the intention of him being more like Ayres' portrayal of the character. In other words, the aristocratic and sophisticated tone is how Freeza is meant to be portrayed (sadism included).

Linda Young's Freeza is not at all like this. That doesn't mean anyone is wrong to like her more, but she is not what Toriyama envisioned when he made this character. Plain and simple. >.>

Nobody's saying you're wrong because the majority have a different opinion from yours. They're just saying one portrayal is more accurate to the original manga version of the character; Ayres' Freeza is how he's meant to be. It's kind of how Kai is essentially how DBZ was supposed to be: no filler, and dialogue more close to the writing in the manga. Doesn't mean you have to like it more than the original DBZ dub, but it is more accurate to the source material. The latter is fact.

[dbzfan7]

At the risk of sounding rude, it's because Kakarot9001's English doesn't seem to be good enough to fully understand the point everyone is making. It happened previously in an engagement I had with him so I just let it be.

No. It's just that I barely read what you said before about boil characters taking Vegeta as an example, pardon.

Well, that's pretty disheartening to read. If we take the time to read and respond to your posts in some detail, the least you can do is give us the same courtesy. It would save a lot of headaches and frustration in the long run.

And, if you're simply disinterested in reading what someone has to say, it's probably best not to respond at all. It's not fun to try and told a conversation with someone who's not paying any attention to what you're saying.

Which is why I'm sick of debating the Linda Ayres topic. He's missed the point several times. Confusing accurate portrayal vs preference. At least 5 people have been trying to spell things out for him, but that's not enough apparently.

No. I didn't deny anything... I said many times that in my point of view Linda Young is a better portrayal as Freeza than Ayres, it's you that insists saying this that means to me something like: "You must retreat what you said man, I know it's your opinion right, but I don't care because nobody agrees with you, so you're wrong, admit this please"

Besides, for me that's no such thing as "factually wrong" if you can't leave someone with a opinion that highly differs from yours, it's a shame

I posted this before:
Akira Toriyama created Freeza with the intention of him being more like Ayres' portrayal of the character. In other words, the aristocratic and sophisticated tone is how Freeza is meant to be portrayed (sadism included).

Linda Young's Freeza is not at all like this. That doesn't mean anyone is wrong to like her more, but she is not what Toriyama envisioned when he made this character. Plain and simple. >.>

Nobody's saying you're wrong because the majority have a different opinion from yours. They're just saying one portrayal is more accurate to the original manga version of the character; Ayres' Freeza is how he's meant to be. It's kind of how Kai is essentially how DBZ was supposed to be: no filler, and dialogue more close to the writing in the manga. Doesn't mean you have to like it more than the original DBZ dub, but it is more accurate to the source material. The latter is fact.

Thank you. I'm tired of debating the difference.

[Kakarot9001]

Linda Young's Freeza is not at all like this. That doesn't mean anyone is wrong to like her more, but she is not what Toriyama envisioned when he made this character. Plain and simple. >.>

Nobody's saying you're wrong because the majority have a different opinion from yours. They're just saying one portrayal is more accurate to the original manga version of the character; Ayres' Freeza is how he's meant to be. It's kind of how Kai is essentially how DBZ was supposed to be: no filler, and dialogue more close to the writing in the manga. Doesn't mean you have to like it more than the original dubbed DBZ, but it is more accurate to the source material. The latter is fact.

And I said something similar early: "Nakao is the original portrayal as Freeza, but I don't see Ayres close to him just like I see how Linda Young is" and I'm not saying that this is a fact because again and again... It's my POV
If people says that Ayres more accurate than Linda, I'm okay with that (Even that for me there is controversies about this statement)

Thank you. I'm tired of debating the difference.

Me too

[fadeddreams5]

Linda Young's Freeza is not at all like this. That doesn't mean anyone is wrong to like her more, but she is not what Toriyama envisioned when he made this character. Plain and simple. >.>

Nobody's saying you're wrong because the majority have a different opinion from yours. They're just saying one portrayal is more accurate to the original manga version of the character; Ayres' Freeza is how he's meant to be. It's kind of how Kai is essentially how DBZ was supposed to be: no filler, and dialogue more close to the writing in the manga. Doesn't mean you have to like it more than the original dubbed DBZ, but it is more accurate to the source material. The latter is fact.

And I said something similar early: "Nakao is the original portrayal as Freeza, but I don't see Ayres close to him just like I see how Linda Young is" and I'm not saying that this is a fact because again and again... It's my POV
If people says that Ayres more accurate than Linda, I'm okay with that (Even that for me there is controversies about this statement)

Wait, so you're saying you feel Linda Young is closer to Nakao's interpretation of the character than Ayres, and thus, you feel that's why she's more accurate for Frieza?

[Kakarot9001]

Wait, so you're saying you feel Linda Young is closer to Nakao's interpretation of the character than Ayres, and thus, you feel that's why she's more accurate?

Yeah, because Nakao dubs Freeza with a effeminate voice and Freeza in fact has a effeminate appearance and that's how I see Linda Young close to his portrayal

[dbzfan7]

Linda Young's Freeza is not at all like this. That doesn't mean anyone is wrong to like her more, but she is not what Toriyama envisioned when he made this character. Plain and simple. >.>

Nobody's saying you're wrong because the majority have a different opinion from yours. They're just saying one portrayal is more accurate to the original manga version of the character; Ayres' Freeza is how he's meant to be. It's kind of how Kai is essentially how DBZ was supposed to be: no filler, and dialogue more close to the writing in the manga. Doesn't mean you have to like it more than the original dubbed DBZ, but it is more accurate to the source material. The latter is fact.

And I said something similar early: "Nakao is the original portrayal as Freeza, but I don't see Ayres close to him just like I see how Linda Young is" and I'm not saying that this is a fact because again and again... It's my POV
If people says that Ayres more accurate than Linda, I'm okay with that (Even that for me there is controversies about this statement)

Wait, so you're saying you feel Linda Young is closer to Nakao's interpretation of the character than Ayres, and thus, you feel that's why she's more accurate for Freeza?

I'll make a thread for this.

[KaiserNeko]

It's really frustrating to see people in this thread think and act like they know what's better for DragonBall than the industry veteran mangaka who has been writing more stories professionally than most people have ever dreamed of as a hobby.

Whilst your criticisms and personal opinions of his material are of note, they are pretentious at best and utterly disrespectful at worst. They dismiss the attachment and love Akira Toriyama has for his work, it dismisses his own artistic integrity and ability, and it erroneously suggests you know what's better for the series more than he does. A series that belongs to him, a series that he made. Almost everything of what you love and hate about the series came from his mind, in one way or another. So for any of you to act like it's no longer in the best interest of the series for Akira Toriyama to have majority creative control, I think you've completely lost sight of what made it beautiful in the first place.

My favorite parts of DragonBall were never about the fights. Sure, the huge moments of drama were always thrilling, the fights could sometimes be incredibly creative and engaging, and goodness knows he could ramp up the danger. It was the characters, and the moments between them. It was the story, the adventures, the creativity of a wonderfully talented artist with a penchant for poop jokes.

I don't give a damn about SUPER SAIYANS anymore. I don't care about Gohan going Super Saiyan, I don't care about the look of Golden Freeza, I (especially) don't care about the inconsistencies with GT. I'm betting the moment with Kuririn and 18 is going to in fact be an adorable scene, Gohan not being a fighter any more makes perfect sense from a character perspective, Freeza's Hell is utterly perfect with the exception of Momoiro Clover Z's involvement, and no more Super Saiyans is exactly what the series needs at this point, I feel. It took far too much attention away from other characters who couldn't reach the form and has become a stale concept.

Toriyama has never been perfect. We could sit here all day pointing out flaws with the original series. But keep that in mind whilst plenty of you try and act like these movies are breaking from and disrespecting the spirit of the original series, because Battle of Gods felt more like actual DragonBall than any single of the 13 DragonBall Z movies before it, introduced wonderful new characters, gave some established characters wonderful moments, and even with it's flaws still managed to be a fun, engaging experience for most.

This movie could totally blow, of course. But considering the fun I had with Battle of Gods, I'm certainly willing to give this film a chance.

Wait, so you're saying you feel Linda Young is closer to Nakao's interpretation of the character than Ayres, and thus, you feel that's why she's more accurate?

Yeah, because Nakao dubs Freeza with a effeminate voice and Freeza in fact has a effeminate appearance and that's how I see Linda Young close to his portrayal

Nakao doesn't make Freeza "effeminate", per se. He portrays him as a soft spoken, haughty aristocratic type. The "feminine quality" you see there isn't supposed to be distinctly female, nor should his overall voice be. It undermines the entire concept of the character to have a woman voicing him, as his entire character portrayal is actually, in some ways, dependent on the masculinity behind the subtle flamboyance and condescending demeanor. This is something that, as has been noted by plenty of users on this forum and other places, Christopher Ayres has accomplished on many occasions.

To plenty of folks here and outside the forums, Linda Young's performance is distinctly female and very much lacks that air of aristocratic superiority. It drops the royal demeanor and doesn't touch on any of his more masculine qualities. Not to mention, her acting as the character has always been terribly forced, partially because of her age and the voice itself being rather difficult to emote in properly. For goodness sakes, she couldn't even keep up with the new scripts; scripts that, I might also add, delivered leaps and bounds over it's predecessors. I have no disrespect for Linda Young, but in my personal opinion, she never had any place voicing a distinctly male character such as Freeza. Chris Ayres has time and again delivered upon the core concept of the character. People much closer to the series than you, both in English and Japanese, believe that. Folks who understand Japanese far and away better than you believe that. The director for the English dub who has worked on the series personally for over 10 years believes that.

Chris Ayres gives a far more accurate representation of Freeza in the English dub than Linda Young ever did or ever will. It's as close to fact as one can possibly get in this matter.

[Herms]

Still no sign of today's Bulma blog update, but in the meantime I've thrown together an overview of the blog posts so far. Mostly so I can keep track of it, if nothing else.

59 Days Left: Introduction ("That’s right! That means it’s the 59 [Go-ku in Japanese] day milestone!")
58 Days Left: Goku ("They put all the little pieces of [Freeza's] body back together using a whatchamacallit machine, seems like")
57 Days Left: Freeza hijacks blog (Bulma: "Hijacking a lady’s computer like that! What a jerk!")
56 Days Left: Staff post on celebration for BoG Special Edition Japanese DVD/Blu-Ray release ("and someone in a Freeza costume turned up and things really kicked off!")
55 Days Left: Gohan ("...I think I can still become Super Saiyan...")
54 Days Left: Masako Nozawa, voice of Goku, Gohan...and the suspiciously unmentioned Goten ("as I read the script I was constantly going 'wow, didn’t see that coming!'"; "As always, I hope every single person in the entire world sees this")
53 Days Left: Ryusei Nakao, voice of Freeza ("I’m incredibly grateful that people think that 'Freeza=Ryūsei Nakao'")
52 Days Left: Vegeta ("..........")
51 Days Left: Piccolo ("…I don’t get this at all…")
50 Days Left: Toshio Furukawa, voice of Piccolo ("It's the Revival of F-urukawa!")
49 Days Left: Staff post on movie's recording session; (on the script being 5 volumes: "despite the massive volume, the cast still handled it all with as much aplomb as you’d expect")
48 Days Left: Momoiro Clover Z ("Dragon Ball’s been around forever…I mean, even my dad loves it!); ends with 'on to part 2', which so far is a no-show
47 Days Left: Kuririn (Bulma: "You'll get yourself killed again if you're not careful!" Kuririn: "Please don't say things like that...")
46 Days Left: Staff post on new trailer featuring Freeza's 'further evolution'
45 Days Left: Staff post on Fit's gum tie-in
44 Days Left: Mayumi Tanaka, voice of Kuririn ("Since on Earth Kuririn is strongest. Not Satan, you know.")
43 Days Left: Kame-sennin ("Maybe I should get some acupuncture in the meantime")
42 Days Left: Staff post on "Volume F" and other early attendee gifts
41 Days Left: Masaharu Sato, voice of Kame-sennin ("When it comes down to it, 'puff-puffs' are more my area of expertise")
40 Days Left: Staff post on Kirin Mets drink tie-in, and blurb for Weekly Jump No.15's Momoiro Clover interview
39 Days Left: No.18 (Bulma: "Geez, she may be the tsundere to end all tsundere")
38 Days Left: Miki Ito, voice of No.18 ("maybe next we can get a soap opera type spin-off like 'This Love, Kuririn and No.18')
37 Days Left: Future Trunks. He sends a letter. From the future. ("I’ve heard a rumor that over in your world Freeza has been resurrected")
36 Days Left: Staff post on Curry House tie-in ("featuring original designs such as 'Son Goku Teleporting', or 'Son Goku Chowing Down on Curry'")
35 Days Left: Takeshi Kusao, voice of Trunks ("I think this film will raise the curtain on the next era of the Dragon Ball legend")

[SonsOfUlron21]

They start the blog at 59 because that's how you say goku in Japanese.cool

[dbzfan7]

It's really frustrating to see people in this thread think and act like they know what's better for DragonBall than the industry veteran mangaka who has been writing more stories professionally than most people have ever dreamed of as a hobby.

Whilst your criticisms and personal opinions of his material are of note, they are pretentious at best and utterly disrespectful at worst. They dismiss the attachment and love Akira Toriyama has for his work, it dismisses his own artistic integrity and ability, and it erroneously as if you know what's better for the series than he does. A series that belongs to him, a series that he made. Everything you love and hate about the series came from his mind, in one way or another. So for any of you to act like it's no longer in the best interest of the series for Akira Toriyama to have majority creative control, I think you've completely lost sight of what made it beautiful in the first place.

My favorite parts of DragonBall were never about the fights. Sure, the huge moments of drama were always thrilling, the fights could sometimes be incredibly creative and engaging, and goodness knows he could ramp up the danger. It was the characters, and the moments between them. It was the story, the adventures, the creativity of a wonderfully talented artist with a penchant for poop jokes.

I don't give a damn about SUPER SAIYANS anymore. I don't care about Gohan going Super Saiyan, I don't care about the look of Golden Freeza, I (especially) don't care about the inconsistencies with GT. I'm betting the moment with Kuririn and 18 is going to in fact be an adorable scene, Gohan not being a fighter any more makes perfect sense from a character perspective, Freeza's Hell is utterly perfect with the exception of Momoiro Clover Z's involvement, and no more Super Saiyans is exactly what the series needs at this point, I feel. It took far too much attention away from other characters who couldn't reach the form and has become a stale concept.

Toriyama has never been perfect. We could sit here all day pointing out flaws with the original series. But keep that in mind whilst plenty of you try and act like these movies are breaking from and disrespecting the spirit of the original series, because Battle of Gods felt more like actual DragonBall than any single of the 13 DragonBall Z movies before it, introduced wonderful new characters, gave some established characters wonderful moments, and even with it's flaws still managed to be a fun, engaging experience for most.

This movie could totally blow, of course. But considering the fun I had with Battle of Gods, I'm certainly willing to give this film a chance.

Wait, so you're saying you feel Linda Young is closer to Nakao's interpretation of the character than Ayres, and thus, you feel that's why she's more accurate?

Yeah, because Nakao dubs Freeza with a effeminate voice and Freeza in fact has a effeminate appearance and that's how I see Linda Young close to his portrayal

Nakao doesn't make Freeza "effeminate", per se. He portrays him as a soft spoken, haughty aristocratic. The "feminine quality" you see there isn't supposed to be distinctly female, nor should his overall voice be. It undermines the entire concept of the character to have a woman voicing him, as his entire character portrayal is actually, in some ways, dependent on the masculinity behind the subtle flamboyance and condescending demeanor. This is something that, as has been noted by plenty of users on his, Christopher Ayres has accomplished on many occasions.

To plenty of folks here and outside the forums, Linda Young's performance is distinctly female and very much lacks that air of aristocratic superiority. It drops the royal demeanor and doesn't touch on any of his more masculine qualities. Not to mention, her acting as the character has always been terribly forced, partially because of her age and the voice itself being rather difficult to emote in properly. For goodness sakes, she couldn't even keep up with the new scripts; scripts that, I might also add, delivered leaps and bounds over it's predecessors. I have no disrespect for Linda Young, but in my personal opinion, she never had any place voicing a distinctly male character such as Freeza. Chris Ayres has time and again delivered upon the core concept of the character. People much closer to the series than you, both in English and Japanese, believe that. Folks who understand Japanese far and away better than you believe that. The director for the English dub who has worked on the series personally for over 10 years believes that.

Chris Ayres gives a far more accurate representation of Freeza in the English dub than Linda Young ever did or ever will. It's as close to fact as one can possibly get in this matter.

Well as much as I've complained or been negative, that still doesn't change the fact I probably will enjoy myself. Whether my opinions feel side superstars are treated unjustly, design choices, etc, none of these are deal breakers. Nothing I've seen so far no matter how stupid or bad I thought it was, none of it made me think "Fuck this movie will be bad". I may be one of those negative folk, but I still believe the movie will be good. Information may bug the shit out of me, but things like weak ass mooks being a threat, Gohan's treatment, questionable designs, and other stuff were never going to make me hate his movie. I can point out similar things in Battle of Gods, but I still like Battle of Gods. The tidbits may piss me off, but overall I'm sure Toriyama will keep me entertained. I would like some details and continuity ironed out, but Toriyama won't fail me when it comes to just enjoying everything at face value. Besides this stuff is still pretty tame in comparison to other franchises which do far worse than these gripes I have.

Also sweet break down of the Freeza subject.

[Kamiccolo9]

It's really frustrating to see people in this thread think and act like they know what's better for DragonBall than the industry veteran mangaka who has been writing more stories professionally than most people have ever dreamed of as a hobby.

Whilst your criticisms and personal opinions of his material are of note, they are pretentious at best and utterly disrespectful at worst. They dismiss the attachment and love Akira Toriyama has for his work, it dismisses his own artistic integrity and ability, and it erroneously as if you know what's better for the series than he does. A series that belongs to him, a series that he made. Everything you love and hate about the series came from his mind, in one way or another. So for any of you to act like it's no longer in the best interest of the series for Akira Toriyama to have majority creative control, I think you've completely lost sight of what made it beautiful in the first place.

My favorite parts of DragonBall were never about the fights. Sure, the huge moments of drama were always thrilling, the fights could sometimes be incredibly creative and engaging, and goodness knows he could ramp up the danger. It was the characters, and the moments between them. It was the story, the adventures, the creativity of a wonderfully talented artist with a penchant for poop jokes.

I don't give a damn about SUPER SAIYANS anymore. I don't care about Gohan going Super Saiyan, I don't care about the look of Golden Freeza, I (especially) don't care about the inconsistencies with GT. I'm betting the moment with Kuririn and 18 is going to in fact be an adorable scene, Gohan not being a fighter any more makes perfect sense from a character perspective, Freeza's Hell is utterly perfect with the exception of Momoiro Clover Z's involvement, and no more Super Saiyans is exactly what the series needs at this point, I feel. It took far too much attention away from other characters who couldn't reach the form and has become a stale concept.

Toriyama has never been perfect. We could sit here all day pointing out flaws with the original series. But keep that in mind whilst plenty of you try and act like these movies are breaking from and disrespecting the spirit of the original series, because Battle of Gods felt more like actual DragonBall than any single of the 13 DragonBall Z movies before it, introduced wonderful new characters, gave some established characters wonderful moments, and even with it's flaws still managed to be a fun, engaging experience for most.

This movie could totally blow, of course. But considering the fun I had with Battle of Gods, I'm certainly willing to give this film a chance.

Damn it Kaiser, that was beautiful, and it has too many characters to put as my sig, even with spoilers.

[Chuquita]

I concur. Beautiful post. Hopes in this thread restored.TuT
This thread has been drowning lately. Kaiser your post was a life preserver and I hope it gets us back on the ship.

[Herms]

So for any of you to act like it's no longer in the best interest of the series for Akira Toriyama to have majority creative control, I think you've completely lost sight of what made it beautiful in the first place.

The other thing (and maybe this is a banal point, but it still needs saying) is that DB is a franchise that exists to be financially successful. Jump only let Toriyama wrap up Dr. Slump on condition that he start up another series, so that they could hopefully have another Toriyama hit on their hands. That's why DB's around to begin with, and that's why they started making these new movies. By all accounts BoG did pretty well, and early signs are that this next movie may be even more successful. With things going the way they are, why on Earth should the folks at Toei and Shueisha take creative control away from Toriyama? It's worked out pretty well for them so far.

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

Marked for deletion.

[fadeddreams5]

Well as much as I've complained or been negative, that still doesn't change the fact I probably will enjoy myself. Whether my opinions feel side superstars are treated unjustly, design choices, etc, none of these are deal breakers. Nothing I've seen so far no matter how stupid or bad I thought it was, none of it made me think "Fuck this movie will be bad". I may be one of those negative folk, but I still believe the movie will be good. Information may bug the shit out of me, but things like weak ass mooks being a threat, Gohan's treatment, questionable designs, and other stuff were never going to make me hate his movie. I can point out similar things in Battle of Gods, but I still like Battle of Gods. The tidbits may piss me off, but overall I'm sure Toriyama will keep me entertained. I would like some details and continuity ironed out, but Toriyama won't fail me when it comes to just enjoying everything at face value. Besides this stuff is still pretty tame in comparison to other franchises which do far worse than these gripes I have.

This is pretty much how I've acted and feel. I would never disrespect the man who's basically the reason I'm on this site, but that doesn't mean I can't disagree with his direction or decisions. I don't do it to undermine anyone; it's just fun discussing the creative aspects of DBZ and... any show, book, or movie I watch/read. : D

It is very likely this will be my favorite DBZ movie, as far as enjoyment goes. n.n

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

It's really frustrating to see people in this thread think and act like they know what's better for DragonBall than the industry veteran mangaka who has been writing more stories professionally than most people have ever dreamed of as a hobby.

Whilst your criticisms and personal opinions of his material are of note, they are pretentious at best and utterly disrespectful at worst. They dismiss the attachment and love Akira Toriyama has for his work, it dismisses his own artistic integrity and ability, and it erroneously suggests you know what's better for the series more than he does. A series that belongs to him, a series that he made. Almost everything of what you love and hate about the series came from his mind, in one way or another. So for any of you to act like it's no longer in the best interest of the series for Akira Toriyama to have majority creative control, I think you've completely lost sight of what made it beautiful in the first place.

My favorite parts of DragonBall were never about the fights. Sure, the huge moments of drama were always thrilling, the fights could sometimes be incredibly creative and engaging, and goodness knows he could ramp up the danger. It was the characters, and the moments between them. It was the story, the adventures, the creativity of a wonderfully talented artist with a penchant for poop jokes.

I don't give a damn about SUPER SAIYANS anymore. I don't care about Gohan going Super Saiyan, I don't care about the look of Golden Freeza, I (especially) don't care about the inconsistencies with GT. I'm betting the moment with Kuririn and 18 is going to in fact be an adorable scene, Gohan not being a fighter any more makes perfect sense from a character perspective, Freeza's Hell is utterly perfect with the exception of Momoiro Clover Z's involvement, and no more Super Saiyans is exactly what the series needs at this point, I feel. It took far too much attention away from other characters who couldn't reach the form and has become a stale concept.

Toriyama has never been perfect. We could sit here all day pointing out flaws with the original series. But keep that in mind whilst plenty of you try and act like these movies are breaking from and disrespecting the spirit of the original series, because Battle of Gods felt more like actual DragonBall than any single of the 13 DragonBall Z movies before it, introduced wonderful new characters, gave some established characters wonderful moments, and even with it's flaws still managed to be a fun, engaging experience for most.

This movie could totally blow, of course. But considering the fun I had with Battle of Gods, I'm certainly willing to give this film a chance.

That was fantastic. I agree with everything you just said. It's always been about the characters for me. Sure, the insane action sequences is probably what appealed to most people in the first place but Toriyama's characters have so much charm that it's hard to not be invested in who they are and what they'll become. It's characters like Beerus and Whis that made me fucking love Battle of Gods. It's the rivalry between characters like Goku and Vegeta that made me love the Buu arc. Seeing them do the thumbs up to each other after the battle with Kid Buu is one of my favourite moments in the entire series, no amount of epic action scenes can top the characters this series offers.