Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Gianchio]

You prefer Episode of Bardock and the DB Heroes manga over Battle of Gods? I'm legitimately dumbfounded to your reasoning, but eh.

Yup. I didn't give a reason did I? I believe I didn't... But yes it's a no contest when it comes to EoB, OVA, The Path to Power Movie, MOST of the DBz movie, and the Heroes manga vs BoG. BoG wasn't a fun experience for me honestly.

IMHO DB Heroes is mere abuse of the brand...

[Kaboom]

So some brand-new animated material, written and conceived by the original author as a continuation of his main story, is seemingly overwriting a poorly-executed, cash-grab sequel series labeled as a "side story" since forever... and anyone, anywhere, at all, is actually upset about it?

Getting new Toriyama-heralded movies which supersede GT is a BAD thing now? Did I wake up in some sort of freaky alternate universe where all sense and reason is inverted?

I mean, I like GT as its own thing to a certain extent too, but come on.

[TheGmGoken]

Funny, BoG to me at least was like the embodiment of fun.

I see where you're coming from. But it just wasn't for me.

Also when did people start liking GT?

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

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[Kamiccolo9]

Did I wake up in some sort of freaky alternate universe where all sense and reason is inverted?

It's called the Internet.

[Captain Space]

You prefer Episode of Bardock and the DB Heroes manga over Battle of Gods? I'm legitimately dumbfounded to your reasoning, but eh.

Yup. I didn't give a reason did I? I believe I didn't... But yes it's a no contest when it comes to EoB, OVA, The Path to Power Movie, MOST of the DBz movie, and the Heroes manga vs BoG. BoG wasn't a fun experience for me honestly.

IMHO DB Heroes is mere abuse of the brand...

To be fair Heroes is just kind of an exercise in, "Hey, let's make a cool arcade game and just throw in everything we possibly can!"

Funny, BoG to me at least was like the embodiment of fun.

I see where you're coming from. But it just wasn't for me.

Entirely fair enough. I don't begrudge anyone for not liking BoG as much as I did, and I'm sorry if I come off that way as I'm arguing against other points.

[Captain Space]

Also, your whole point just baffles me. I mean, Kami forbid we let the creator of a story continue to create that story. (I mean, I suppose it's because you think he's doing it badly, and there we just come to an impasse because I don't.)

He has demonstrated in a number of ways that he's somehow no longer capable to fulfill that role effectively, and so probably no longer should. He is better placed as a project consultant or designer than as the person who should lead Dragonball into the future. In my opinion, anyway. That is the point of my post, and my belief is that Revival of F will likely prove this further.

I suppose that is your opinion, yes. From the point of view of someone who liked Battle of Gods immensely, though, understand that from that perspective it looks like the series couldn't be in better hands.

[ArchedThunder]

What I don't get is why GT fans want the new movies to take GT into account. What does it add to GT? GT is contained within itself and relies heavily on the Z anime to prop it up, how would new movies that take place before it effect it in anyway? There are no questions at the beginning of GT that need answering with prequels. You can enjoy GT as its own thing still with or without the new movies, while the new movies provide something to push the plot of the original story forward.

[Hellspawn28]

Sometimes I feel like DBZ fans hate anything that is new . DB- is nowhere as bad as most fans make out to be. You have fans that hate on BOG for power reasons but still love GT and the old DBZ movies. I feel like DBZ fans are never happy with anything. Toriyama is better when it comes to making DBZ stuff compare to Toei in my opinion.

(And here I thought the Saint Seiya fandom was divided about new material

You should see how the Alien fanbase can be when it comes to new material. Alien 5 is ignoring A3 and A:R, you have some fans on AVPGalaxy that are not happy about it.

[JulieYBM]

The lack of quality television that Dragon Ball GT is aside, 'cash-grab' is such a horrendously bad attempt at demeaning the worth of Dragon Ball GT. Everything about Dragon Ball is a cash-grab, including these past two movies.

[Gianchio]

Also, your whole point just baffles me. I mean, Kami forbid we let the creator of a story continue to create that story. (I mean, I suppose it's because you think he's doing it badly, and there we just come to an impasse because I don't.)

He has demonstrated in a number of ways that he's somehow no longer capable to fulfill that role effectively, and so probably no longer should. He is better placed as a project consultant or designer than as the person who should lead Dragonball into the future. In my opinion, anyway. That is the point of my post, and my belief is that Revival of F will likely prove this further.

I suppose that is your opinion, yes. From the point of view of someone who liked Battle of Gods immensely, though, understand that from that perspective it looks like the series couldn't be in better hands.

Exactly. Just because you don't like BOG or any of the new stuff doesn't mean Toriyama can't do anything. It means that you simply don't like BOG.

[KaiserNeko]

The lack of quality television that Dragon Ball GT is aside, 'cash-grab' is such a horrendously bad attempt at demeaning the worth of Dragon Ball GT. Everything about Dragon Ball is a cash-grab, including these past two movies.

Well, there's a bigger argument there, but the issue is the nature of these "cash grabs". To clarify, GT was a "cash grab" and nothing else. At least these "cash grabs" have Toriyama trying to do something new and interesting, from his mind; not Toei Animation's questionable writing staff.

[Captain Space]

He has demonstrated in a number of ways that he's somehow no longer capable to fulfill that role effectively, and so probably no longer should. He is better placed as a project consultant or designer than as the person who should lead Dragonball into the future. In my opinion, anyway. That is the point of my post, and my belief is that Revival of F will likely prove this further.

I suppose that is your opinion, yes. From the point of view of someone who liked Battle of Gods immensely, though, understand that from that perspective it looks like the series couldn't be in better hands.

Exactly. Just because you don't like BOG or any of the new stuff doesn't mean Toriyama can't do anything. It means that you simply don't like BOG.

...not quite what I meant, not that I entirely disagree with you.

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

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[Dyno]

Everything about Dragon Ball is a cash-grab, including these past two movies.

Wish people knew about that. But... Only what they don't like they call them "cash-grab".

[Captain Space]

I don't think BoG has as many holes as some people seem to think, though there certainly are some.

[ArchedThunder]

Sometimes I feel like DBZ fans hate anything that is new . DB- is nowhere as bad as most fans make out to be. You have fans that hate on BOG for power reasons but still love GT and the old DBZ movies. I feel like DBZ fans are never happy with anything. Toriyama is better when it comes to making DBZ stuff compare to Toei in my opinion.

I hated minus but love BoG and am very excited for RoF. I didn't like what Toriyama did with the Bardock story and much prefer the TV special.

[TheGmGoken]

Sometimes I feel like DBZ fans hate anything that is new . DB- is nowhere as bad as most fans make out to be. You have fans that hate on BOG for power reasons but still love GT and the old DBZ movies. I feel like DBZ fans are never happy with anything. Toriyama is better when it comes to making DBZ stuff compare to Toei in my opinion.
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I like Xenoverse, EoB, 2008 Special, Heroes, and New BGM. All are fairly new stuff. And no fandom is happy with everything because everyone has an opinion. There's no universally approved opinion. I don't dislike BoG for power reasons. Also have you Read Gaffer Tape and Rocketman post about Minus? Pretty much sums everything up on why Minus is trash.

[Gianchio]

Sometimes I feel like DBZ fans hate anything that is new . DB- is nowhere as bad as most fans make out to be. You have fans that hate on BOG for power reasons but still love GT and the old DBZ movies. I feel like DBZ fans are never happy with anything. Toriyama is better when it comes to making DBZ stuff compare to Toei in my opinion.

I hated minus but love BoG and am very excited for RoF. I didn't like what Toriyama did with the Bardock story and much prefer the TV dpe5cial.

I prefer the TV special too. I like the fact that Bardock is an evil guy at the beginning.

[Captain Space]

Though I like most of the new material, I do agree the Father of Goku special was a better story than Minus.

(Though at least Minus had Goku's mother in it.)