Skar wrote:Captain Space wrote:Do I spy a Skar-Faced Bandit? Hi there! Didn't realise I'd see you here!
Anyway...once worked out a list of my own covering (speculatively, of course) a lot of unspecified Freeza saga stuff, might give it a look over and put it up here...
How you been old buddy and welcome! DBM hasn't been the same after most of the regulars left. There are a lot of nice people here. Feel free to post your power levels!
Captain Space wrote:I always took 5 to be representative of an "average" human, maybe slightly above average, like maybe the average person would be 3-4, but fair enough.
Yeah I think so too. Maybe 5 was supposed to be the bare minimum the scouter could pickup for a being with little to no ki? Who knows.
Yeah, I've been pretty good...writing a lot, acquiring fandoms...starting university...all that good stuff.
Not sure about the second point, since Raditz measured an unconscious Gohan at 1, and Bulma measured Turtle at like 0.01 or something.
Anyhow, sure, my list.
Important note: This list does NOT account for the Daizenshuu's power levels or the 'commonly-known' SSJ multipliers as I do not consider them canon. They are very reasonable guesses. But that is all they are.
So, we know that:
First form Frieza: 530,000
Second form Frieza: About 1,000,000
This 'about' is important. Because, see, when Vegeta got his final zenkai he thought he could take on Frieza--he had an idea of how strong final form Frieza would be (and putting this 100% down to his ego is ludicrous because he can sense ki). Ergo it's reasonable to assume that Frieza's transformations had a stable, predictable power growth from one to the next, until the last one which blew Vegeta's expectations out of the water and was vastly stronger than the others.
So, looking at the above two numbers, either Frieza's transformations add 500,000, or they double his power (this is where the 'about' comes in handy, as the fact that Frieza was fairly vague means I don't have to specify whether it's 1,000,300, or 1,000,6000 or whatever). Out of the two, I'd hazard a guess that it's easier to figure out that it goes up by the same amount each time than it doubling--which might simply seem like it's going up by a different amount and has no pattern. So, plus 500,000 it is.
Frieza (third form): 1,500,000
Oh, and also:
Piccolo: 1,000,000
(Based on the, admittedly not foolproof, assumption that their fight would become even again after he took off his training weights, but we never got to see that fight, as Frieza transformed immediately.)
Anyway, moving on. Based on this extrapolation Vegeta made, he would think that Frieza's PL in his final form would be about 2,000,000 (well, he wouldn't be thinking of an actual specific number, but that's the level he had in mind, in a non-numerical way). He clearly thought he could win, but he wasn't all "I shall crush him in a single blow!" It was more "I'll take him on, I'll fight a glorious battle and defeat him!" So he was evidently higher than that, but not all that much higher. This is where it becomes a little less concrete, because I just have to estimate what sort of an advantage this means, but I'd say:
Vegeta: 2,200,000
So, obviously, Frieza was stronger than he expected. By how much? Well, probably a greater amount than the 2 million difference between Vegeta and the level he thought Frieza would be at, since it wasn't "lost after epic struggle", it was "crushed rather mercilessly". It couldn't have been
too ridiculously greater, though, given that Vegeta could actually follow Frieza's movements to an extent, and managed to intercept one of his attacks. So, best estimate:
Frieza (final form): 2,500,000
And from that:
Goku: 2,500,000
Because...duh. Anyway, obviously that's neither Goku nor Frieza's full power. To work
that out, we have the fact that when Goku used the Kaioken x20, Frieza's 50% power was still slightly stronger than him.
Goku (Kaioken x20): 50,000,000
Frieza (50%): 55,000,000'
And then from that:
Frieza (100%): 110,000,000
Goku (Super Saiyan): 110,000,000
(Since they were totally even until Frieza started tiring out and losing power.)
So, all that reasoning (and please don't complain that this is wrong or whatever without reading said reasoning, but if you have read it, feel free to leave criticism, I'm sure I've made mistakes) gives us:
Frieza (first form): 530,000
Frieza (second form): 1,000,000
Piccolo: 1,000,000
Frieza (third form): 1,500,000
Vegeta: 2,200,000
Frieza (final form): 2,500,000
Goku: 2,500,000
Goku (Kaioken x20): 50,000,000
Frieza (50%): 55,000,000
Goku (Super Saiyan): 110,000,000
Frieza (100%): 110,000,000
And of course, that's not the "right answer" because there is none. But it's my best guess so far.
