Fans thoughts on GT in light of BoG, FnF

[Hellspawn28]

Goku's comment on Rildo always starts a big debate since Goku mention him being stronger then Buu. It made most fans to believe that Base Goku>SSj3 Buu saga Goku which I find to be bullshit. Goku never states which Buu he was talking about and Goku mention that Rildo was not using his full power when fighting him in base form. Goku was likely talking about Rildo at full power which is his metallic form. General Rildo in his base form to me is around Mr. Buu level in my opinion. I say that he's above SSj2 level but he would lose to Kid Buu and any form of Super Buu in his base form. In his third form (metallic form) then he should able to put up a fight against Buutenks but lose to Buuhan.

[Kid Buu]

I for once is happy that Toriyama is back since he has give us better ideas and more cooler stuff then Toei did during the 90's.

Awesome ideas like "everybody stands in a circle to power up goku" and "base goku stronger than everyone" and "freeza returning". You'd never see that in GT.

Hey man, GT ain't got Shiny Pokemon Freeza. That's a new idea!

[ekrolo2]

Still like it more than the Buu Saga, always have and always will. Is there stupid shit that doesn't make any sense? You bet your ass there is, is there enough good in there to keep me both entertained and interested as to what happens next? Yup, whereas the Buu Saga continues to bore me into a coma every time I try to watch it.

[Cetra]

Goku's comment on Rildo always starts a big debate since Goku mention him being stronger then Buu. It made most fans to believe that Base Goku>SSj3 Buu saga Goku which I find to be bullshit.

After Battle of Gods it is even an official fact.

And GT Goku is not more ridiculous than Divine Base Goku or Whis oder Beerus or Freezer. GT Goku fits even more now. Also how Vegeta is the only one comparable to him.

[ekrolo2]

Goku's comment on Rildo always starts a big debate since Goku mention him being stronger then Buu. It made most fans to believe that Base Goku>SSj3 Buu saga Goku which I find to be bullshit.

After Battle of Gods it is even an official fact.

And GT Goku is not more ridiculous than Divine Base Goku or Whis oder Beerus or Freezer. GT Goku fits even more now. Also how Vegeta is the only one comparable to him.

Goku becoming that strong after 15 (20 in the dub) years while still ridiculous but is wwwayyyy less bs than Freeza becoming stronger than him post BoG in 4 months.

[Cetra]

Goku's comment on Rildo always starts a big debate since Goku mention him being stronger then Buu. It made most fans to believe that Base Goku>SSj3 Buu saga Goku which I find to be bullshit.

After Battle of Gods it is even an official fact.

And GT Goku is not more ridiculous than Divine Base Goku or Whis oder Beerus or Freezer. GT Goku fits even more now. Also how Vegeta is the only one comparable to him.

Goku becoming that strong after 15 (20 in the dub) years while still ridiculous but is wwwayyyy less bs than Freeza becoming stronger than him post BoG in 4 months.

GT should actually be about 5 years after EoZ but I do not see a problem with this power. Dragon Ball was always like "okay a villain has been beaten, lets make an enormous power leap afterwars so he seems ridiculously weak compared to the main character". I mean Goku already had a good match against non-full power Cell but SSJ3 Goku would have no problem with Cell at all.

[sintzu]

I think fans will dislike Gt more with each new movie cause they're proving that new stories can be done right while Gt did pretty much everything wrong.

[ekrolo2]

After Battle of Gods it is even an official fact.

And GT Goku is not more ridiculous than Divine Base Goku or Whis oder Beerus or Freezer. GT Goku fits even more now. Also how Vegeta is the only one comparable to him.

Goku becoming that strong after 15 (20 in the dub) years while still ridiculous but is wwwayyyy less bs than Freeza becoming stronger than him post BoG in 4 months.

GT should actually be about 5 years after EoZ but I do not see a problem with this power. Dragon Ball was always like "okay a villain has been beaten, lets make an enormous power leap afterwars so he seems ridiculously weak compared to the main character". I mean Goku already had a good match against non-full power Cell but SSJ3 Goku would have no problem with Cell at all.

That is true in regards to the power scaling, personally I feel Toriyama kinda shot himself in the foot by making even the Saiyan Saga villains so much stronger than the ones before and then it got even crazier later on. I mean after the Freeza Saga they only way you could make bad guys who can take on the heroes was to either make them androids, a weird Frankenstein dude who's made up of the heroes best qualities, a pink magic blob who just so happens to get stronger by absorbing the heroes and so forth. I know that villain escalation is a trope of shounens but DB did not do it that well at all and GT is where the cracks really got to show. At least it was consistent in that Goku was the only guy left worth a damn (which he was in the EoZ since Vegeta cut back on his training as did Gohan, Goten and Trunks, Uub had no chance in hell of doing anything since Goku had to make himself as strong as Vegeto just to fight the stronger GT villains and Uuub is WAY below Vegito).

[dalome]

In BoG, It was said that base goku was still weaker than Freeza.
It means that in almost 17 years (with the the year in rosat), Base goku didn't become 40x stronger than on namek.
So with regular training, base goku gt who is 15 years after BoG should be less than 40x stronger.
It means base gt Goku should be maybe weaker than his ssj1 self in buu arc.
So without ssj3, Goku should not be stronger than Gohan.

And in gt, not only base goku (against rildo) > ssj3 buu arc, but he is much stronger in EoGT against omega shenron in base form and like If It was not enough, he can even become ssj4.
AT least in BoG and FnF, Goku can't transform. He is like a super mystic mode who can't transform. He can't become stronger without training.
But in gt, It is like if Goku was already Mystic mode, and could even become mystic ssj4.

And during this time, majuub becomes weaker than ssj1 Goku.

[ekrolo2]

In BoG, It was said that base goku was still weaker than Freeza.
It means that in almost 17 years (with the the year in rosat), Base goku didn't become 40x stronger than on namek.
So with regular training, base goku gt who is 15 years after BoG should be less than 40x stronger.
It means base gt Goku should be maybe weaker than his ssj1 self in buu arc.
So without ssj3, Goku should not be stronger than Gohan.

And in gt, not only base goku (against rildo) > ssj3 buu arc, but he is much stronger in EoGT against omega shenron in base form and like If It was not enough, he can even become ssj4.
AT least in BoG and FnF, Goku can't transform. He is like a super mystic mode who can't transform. He can't become stronger without training.
But in gt, It is like if Goku was already Mystic mode, and could even become mystic ssj4.

And during this time, majuub becomes weaker than ssj1 Goku.

Uub is only as strong as Kid Buu since Goku's as strong as his SSJ3 self when GT happens that already means Goku turning Super Saiyan makes him far stronger than Uub. As for Majuub, the same thing applies. Goku needed to get SSJ4 that made him just as strong as SSJ Vegito to defeat Baby Vegeta, so unless Majuub could somehow get as strong as Vegito, he was useless. Same for everyone complaining that Goten & Trunks never used SSJ3 Gotenks, he would've been useless, probably more so than his kid self as Goten & Trunks quit training and their powers weren't anything that impressive to begin with without fusion.

[dalome]

But super Uub was stronger against baby Vegeta than goku ssj3. And even Uub normal was able to last a little against baby.
But against super 17, super Uub is not stronger than the kids in ssj1 or in base form.
And Uub is not strong like kid buu, he is much stronger.
He didn't only train to control his power, he became stronger too.
As a living being, he can become stronger with training. He is not limited to the power of kid buu.

[ekrolo2]

But super Uub was stronger against baby Vegeta than goku ssj3. And even Uub normal was able to last a little against baby.
But against super 17, super Uub is not stronger than the kids in ssj1 or in base form.
And Uub is not strong like kid buu, he is much stronger.
He didn't only train to control his power, he became stronger too.
As a living being, he can become stronger with training. He is not limited to the power of kid buu.

Goku didn't last in SSJ3 initially cause his body can't take it and him getting the tail only marginally increased its duration. For all intents and purposes, without his adult body SSJ3 was useless.

I've yet to see any evidence to regular Uub being stronger than Kid Buu. In fact, just judging by his strength at the start of GT he's only able to stalemate Goku who's as strong as his former SSJ3 self from the end of Z. That puts him at about Kid Buu level, doesn't matter if he can potentially get stronger later, as of this point in the series his level is not up to snuff.

Plus I don't think he could've gotten any stronger by himself without merging with Fat Buu, I honestly think he capped off at Kid Buu level as Goku himself seemingly said his training was done. Same way Gohan capped off once his full potential was unlocked, and even then, his merger with Fat Buu wouldn't have even made him as strong as Buutenks.

In GT, unless you're Vegito level, you're almost completely useless for combat. And given what's shown at the end of Z and in GT, Goku is clearly the only one who bothered to improve himself. Everyone else was left in the dust even at EoZ. Vegeta realized he can't beat him so he quit, Gohan got tired of this shit so he quit, as did Trunks & Goten and Uub capped off at a level not good enough to fight the threats he faced.

[dalome]

Uub was able to hit final baby Vegeta.
Goku was forced to use ssj3 against baby Vegeta 1.
And baby Vegeta 1 didn't have a scratch.

And super buu was even stronger.

If base goku Gt is at least buu tier, Uub who is at least as strong as goku ssj3 is much stronger than kid buu.

[SSJGFrieza]

GT is the Dragonball equivalent of Hokuto no Ken 2. A fan-fiction tier mess.

[Mewzard]

GT is the Dragonball equivalent of Hokuto no Ken 2. A fan-fiction tier mess.

But HnK2 was based on the manga still, it just split off after the time skip, and never adapted the final bits of the manga.

GT is more like Saint Seiya Omega. Both were anime only spin offs of their popular anime that changed a lot of things people liked about them.

[Rocketman]

GT is the Dragonball equivalent of Hokuto no Ken 2. A fan-fiction tier mess.

And bog/Freesa Returns For The Fifth Time aren't?

[dbzfan7]

GT is the Dragonball equivalent of Hokuto no Ken 2. A fan-fiction tier mess.

And bog/Freesa Returns For The Fifth Time aren't?

6th time I think. Mecha Freeza, Other World Freeza, Ghost Freeza, One Shotted Freeza, GT Freeza, and Super Saiyan Freeza being number 6.

[ekrolo2]

GT is the Dragonball equivalent of Hokuto no Ken 2. A fan-fiction tier mess.

And bog/Freesa Returns For The Fifth Time aren't?

Sssshhhh, its by Toriyama, that makes it good by default.

[Mewzard]

GT is the Dragonball equivalent of Hokuto no Ken 2. A fan-fiction tier mess.

And bog/Freesa Returns For The Fifth Time aren't?

It's only his second real return in Toriyama's work.

Also, the difference is, BoG had a soul to it (it took a long time, but Toriyama finally started caring again) and was actually entertaining.

GT was a boring, soulless cash in that never fully understood what made Dragon Ball great in the first places (a few good moments not withstanding). I've never been able to enjoy it (and I know that's not a rare opinion).

But BoG? It worked. I had more fun watching it than the 13 movies that had Z in the title that proceeded it.

[DBZAOTA482]

Here's my thoughts....

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AFTER


BoG and FnF didn't make GT lame. GT makes GT lame.