How strong are Android 19,20

[Hitiro]

Well, are we attributing Trunks saying he was absolutely no match for them when he initially became a SSJ or after at the point before he went back in time?

I don't think it's implied Trunks fought the Androids anytime before or after the battle that took place 3 yrs later. After he barely survived against the Androids, he was keen on traveling to the past in hopes of finding a way to defeat them. I doubt he'd tangle with them again knowing what's at stake.

Sorry I don't think I made myself clear here. What I was saying was if Trunks was on about fighting them after he transformed or some period of time after this before he came back in time to give Goku the medicine. I highly doubt that Trunks turned SSJ once, fought the androids, and then never fought them again. I was not on about the 3 year gap.

Because obviously Goku initially becoming a SSJ is weaker than Boo arc SSJ Goku. Seems to me that Trunks is saying here that when he became a SSJ he was absolutely no match for them. And then later on his timeline he could fight them fairly well.

I think Trunks is just telling Piccolo that simply being a Super Saiyan doesn't really change anything. After all, Piccolo assumed Vegeta might be strong enough to beat them simply because he's a Super Saiyan. It wouldn't really make sense for him to be talking about the Androids in comparison to himself at different points. The way I see it, if he says he's absolutely no match for them, it's in general.

Well, it doesn't make sense for him to say he was completely outmatched and then later say that he could fight them fairly well. These are two stark differences. So the way I see it he was on about when he could initially transform into a SSJ and then his later comment was about his current self. We don't know how long Trunks had been fighting these Androids after his first transformation. I doubt that within the time between his first confrontation against the Androids as a SSJ and the time before he went back in time to meet Goku he didn't fight them again or get any stronger.

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Sorry I don't think I made myself clear here. What I was saying was if Trunks was on about fighting them after he transformed or some period of time after this before he came back in time to give Goku the medicine. I highly doubt that Trunks turned SSJ once, fought the androids, and then never fought them again. I was not on about the 3 year gap.

That's basically what the story implies. Gohan had been fighting them alone up to that point and seemed to be focused on getting Trunks to a level where he could fight the Androids.

Well, it doesn't make sense for him to say he was completely outmatched and then later say that he could fight them fairly well. These are two stark differences. So the way I see it he was on about when he could initially transform into a SSJ and then his later comment was about his current self. We don't know how long Trunks had been fighting these Androids after his first transformation. I doubt that within the time between his first confrontation against the Androids as a SSJ and the time before he went back in time to meet Goku he didn't fight them again or get any stronger.

Yeah, I'm not sure why his initial transformation would even be referenced here. Furthermore, how does "I was able to become a Super Saiyan" mean anything other than that? The whole point is to establish these Androids as being something beyond Super Saiyans. I think it'd be pretty odd for Trunks to be saying they're "stupendously strong", only to say a few chapters later that they're not. What we know is after training for 3 yrs, Trunks challenges the Androids and later says the difference between them was still huge. This is the same Trunks that later says he could put up a fight against them. I think he had gotten stronger as well, but his power at that point has nothing to do with him being able to hold his own against the Androids. Trunks's statements are just inconsistent.

[Hitiro]

Yeah, I'm not sure why his initial transformation would even be referenced here. Furthermore, how does "I was able to become a Super Saiyan" mean anything other than that? The whole point is to establish these Androids as being something beyond Super Saiyans. I think it'd be pretty odd for Trunks to be saying they're "stupendously strong", only to say a few chapters later that they're not. What we know is after training for 3 yrs, Trunks challenges the Androids and later says the difference between them was still huge. This is the same Trunks that later says he could put up a fight against them. I think he had gotten stronger as well, but his power at that point has nothing to do with him being able to hold his own against the Androids. Trunks's statements are just inconsistent.

I think he was trying to establish that just by gaining the SSJ transformation did not mean that he gained any ground in the beginning. As Vegeta was spouting off "SSJ is the best in the universe" spiel. Honestly I don't find it odd for Trunks to speak like this. His father had just become a SSJ. That doesn't make him invincible. He is merely saying the act of becoming a SSJ wasn't enough for him to fight the Androids. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion. It makes more sense than him saying he was completely outmatched at one point and then could fight them fairly well just because.