Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[NavonWise]

That's actually not entirely true for a variety of reasons I won't go into to avoid derailing the thread, but I will say that Gotenks is FAR from the closest to killing him. Gohan was, Vegeto was closer as well, but had planned to be absorbed in the first place.

Gotenks is still more than a little reckless, and you're talking about seeing Beerus take down Vegeta who'd surpassed Goku as SSJ3, taken down Gohan at the level he'd been at when he manhandled a version of Buu that Gotenks could only match, yet STILL not taking SSJ3.

I mean come on man, this is getting a bit ridiculous at this point. Gotenks is reckless. The boys are reckless. It's why they were kept home. Time to move on.

No, Vegetto never actually came close to killing him. Surely, he could have, if he tried, but he didn't. Which is just more proof of Goku and Vegeta's recklessness. Vegetto's plan was not only extremely risky, but unnecessary, since if the others were killed they could always just get wished back.

Nah, he only manhandled SS2 Gohan with hair dye, and handled SS2 Vegeta later. A last-minute touch-up to the art which seems to have been disregarded in this movie doesn't change that he wasn't meant to be Ultimate. Furthermore, in the actual manga, when he gets ready for a rematch with Buu, he goes to SS3 immediately. So, clearly, he's more cautious than you give him credit for.

Incorrect. If Gotenks is reckless, he's at least significantly less so than Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, and Tenshinhan, all of whom have screwed up far more, and all of whom are being allowed to show up. They're only getting kept out (possibly; I mean, that hasn't been 100% confirmed yet) because someone didn't feel like adding them. Or because they'd suck up an extra 30 seconds of screen time that could instead be used for ~~~Goku~~~ or a totally important character like Pilaf/Roshi.

...wut? Goku did not force anyone to do as he says and not attack Gero, they could have easily gone with Bulma and gathered the Dragon Balls to find out Gero's location. If Vegeta wanted to go ahead and stop Gero he could have but he did the same thing Goku did, no one influenced his decision so again, blaming Goku is absurd. I mean with that logic you might as well say Cell saved the universe for killing Goku, enabling him to attain the SSJ3 form and therefore stop Buu.

They couldn't, because Vegeta said he'd kill anyone who tried that, and Goku never contradicted him. Of course I'm going to blame Goku. He had the opportunity to stop all of this, and he didn't.

Goku's SS3 form had exactly nothing to do with Buu's defeat. If anything, Goku lacking SS3 would make the Buu arc end quicker, as he wouldn't refuse fusion to fight Pure Buu one on one for fun.

Lmao bro they all decided on their own, not because Vegeta threaten them, Tien clearly states he wanted to know what he could do so it has nothing to do with Vegeta's threat. And that's not the point, you're logic implies that because Goku didn't stop Gero before he created the androids that it's all his fault, so you might as well say Cell helped save the universe for killing Goku and enable him to learn fusion, learn SSJ3, etc.

[TheGmGoken]

About Goten & Trunks, it would make sense to keep them away. Against, the got themselves killed, along with the whole planet destroyed. Against Aka, he almost blew up the Earth, even though he was strong enough to easily crush him. Against Beerus, he didn't even bother to use SS3!

But I would like to have them in the movie, along with Boo, Yamcha, Chaozu, even Yajirobe, but whatever, they wouldn't really make any big difference even if they were there.
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How did they get themselves killed?? Boo regeneration? Boo intelligence. Gotenks almost killed Boo. Their deaths were not their fault. Mis informed details man. Just plain wrong

[Barunks]

Giving Cell a Senzu Bean. Thinking it would be better for some little kids to fight Majin Buu even he could have killed him after turning into a SSJ3. Not fusing and killing Kid Buu all because of Saiyan pride.

Are we just going to ignore these stupid things Goku did?

He merely did what his creator told him to...

[NavonWise]

I agree now Vegeta should be the main hero in this movie, Goku is too reckless he keeps putting earth in danger by letting his villains power up. Goku should take things more seriously like back when krillin got blown up by Freeza. I get it fighting is fun for goku but thats called sparing, Finding entertainment by letting villians power up so that they could exterminate earth and kill everyone is unpure and sick for Gokus behavior.

...how? Literally how? Goku never let anyone power up to their maximum save Freeza when they were alone on Namek. Vegeta, on the other hand, demanded Freeza transform despite having an advantage, and even helped Cell reach his Perfect Form just to prove it would do him no good. That's not even touching on willingly submitting to Babidi...

EDIT: I may have been /sarc'd

Vegeta does it out of his pride and arrogance, he knows his mistakes and we wont probably see him repeating them again if abandoned his arrogant side already.

Freeza: hey goku you dont mind if i see that senzu bean bag of yours for a second i promise i wont do anything to it.

Goku: umm okay sure! *tosses senzu bean bag*(clueless as ever)

Freeza: HAHA!! i fooled you now I'm going to eat all of it and get all my strength back to defeat you!

Goku just doesnt think of consequences and hes very naive and clueless.

On the other hand Vegeta's BS detector would quickly ring out if he heard Freeza something like that to him.

Yeah this ain't Team Four Star; please read the manga and if you did, read it again.

[NavonWise]

Giving Cell a Senzu Bean. Thinking it would be better for some little kids to fight Majin Buu even he could have killed him after turning into a SSJ3. Not fusing and killing Kid Buu all because of Saiyan pride.

Are we just going to ignore these stupid things Goku did?

Because Goku was 100% sure Gohan would have destroyed Cell...and he was right. Because there was no other way, Vegeta was dead, Gohan was thought to be dead and he never faced Buu before. The SSJ3 form sucks so much energy it reduced his time from one day to a couple minutes so would he even have enough time to gather enough energy and destroy Fat Buu? Because he believed it wasn't necessary to fuse anymore; sure he's done his mistakes but you guys are blowing it out of proportion.

[ShadowWolf87]

Giving Cell a Senzu Bean. Thinking it would be better for some little kids to fight Majin Buu even he could have killed him after turning into a SSJ3. Not fusing and killing Kid Buu all because of Saiyan pride.

Are we just going to ignore these stupid things Goku did?

1. Goku was overconfident and assumed Gohan would step up and unleash his power, wanted it to be a fair fight as they had agreed to a "tournament". Gohan instead refused. That's more on Gohan.
2. Goku wanted people to stop being so reliant on him and still believed things would be safer without him around. That was also a form he hadn't had much experience with and using it drastically shortened his time on this plane of existence. Bullheaded yes, but he still thought he had a means of stopping things.
3. Also something he admitted was a mistake. Though I'm not sure the ki of any one being would have truly been enough to stop Buu myself. But done after everything they'd cared about was dead and they felt the fight had become personal.

It's happened yes, but they were hardly knowing or willing choices by and large, mostly choices with unforeseen consequences.

[ShadowWolf87]

I agree now Vegeta should be the main hero in this movie, Goku is too reckless he keeps putting earth in danger by letting his villains power up. Goku should take things more seriously like back when krillin got blown up by Freeza. I get it fighting is fun for goku but thats called sparing, Finding entertainment by letting villians power up so that they could exterminate earth and kill everyone is unpure and sick for Gokus behavior.

...how? Literally how? Goku never let anyone power up to their maximum save Freeza when they were alone on Namek. Vegeta, on the other hand, demanded Freeza transform despite having an advantage, and even helped Cell reach his Perfect Form just to prove it would do him no good. That's not even touching on willingly submitting to Babidi...

EDIT: I may have been /sarc'd

Vegeta does it out of his pride and arrogance, he knows his mistakes and we wont probably see him repeating them again if abandoned his arrogant side already.

Freeza: hey goku you dont mind if i see that senzu bean bag of yours for a second i promise i wont do anything to it.

Goku: umm okay sure! *tosses senzu bean bag*(clueless as ever)

Freeza: HAHA!! i fooled you now I'm going to eat all of it and get all my strength back to defeat you!

Goku just doesnt think of consequences and hes very naive and clueless.

On the other hand Vegeta's BS detector would quickly ring out if he heard Freeza say something like that to him.

Goku does indeed think of consequences. Nor is he that stupid. That's parody-levels of stupid. He gave Cell a senzu bean to try to make his "match" with Gohan an even fight, as well as to try to instill in Cell how powerful Gohan had become. Gohan... chose to hold back. Goku gave Freeza enough energy to float away from Namek and live with his humiliation. When Freeza rejected that, he ended it.

Goku can be rash, but that's his pride. That's his Saiyan heritage. And he's learned just as Vegeta has.

[TheGmGoken]

Is this official?

[RandomGuy96]

It really doesn't look official.

[Beerus-sama]

Is this official?

Spoiler:

no, its a fan wish from Latin American fans.
they made this when BoG came out too.

[danielsan_190196]

Is this official?

Nah, it's just a suggestion of the fans for the voices they want in the movie. At the top of the image, the title says "Reparto Ideal" which in english means "Ideal Cast"

[Triforce Master]

Just interjecting on the reckless point, anyways as far as recklessness goes Vegeta and Goku have done some actions that are reckless. To be honest though Gotenks at base rushed Majin Buu believing he could handle Buu only to turn up later showing that he was completely pummeled. Now the actions of the Androids may reflect some recklessness within Goku (although I'd argue more saiyan pride than mere recklessness) but Gotenks tempted the fate of the Universe, to me at least that seems to out weigh the reckless actions taken by Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo.

I agree now Vegeta should be the main hero in this movie, Goku is too reckless he keeps putting earth in danger by letting his villains power up. Goku should take things more seriously like back when krillin got blown up by Freeza. I get it fighting is fun for goku but thats called sparing, Finding entertainment by letting villians power up so that they could exterminate earth and kill everyone is unpure and sick for Gokus behavior.

I don't see why he should kill the main bad guy, but you know everyone has preferences to how a bad guy should be dealt with.

[fadeddreams5]

Did that happen in the manga (Gotenks getting pummeled by Mr. Buu)?

[Triforce Master]

Did that happen in the manga (Gotenks getting pummeled by Mr. Buu)?

Link
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[Dbzfan94]

Did that happen in the manga (Gotenks getting pummeled by Mr. Buu)?

As far as I remember, it was off-screen. In the manga, Base Gotenks said something like "I don't need Super Saiyan, I can beat Buu the way I am now!!"
Then the next panel or so is Gotenks returning all beat up.

[fadeddreams5]

Did that happen in the manga (Gotenks getting pummeled by Mr. Buu)?

As far as I remember, it was off-screen. In the manga, Base Gotenks said something like "I don't need Super Saiyan, I can beat Buu the way I am now!!"
Then the next panel or so is Gotenks returning all beat up.

That...sounds way funnier than actually seeing him fight. lol.

[bleed0range]

Giving Cell a Senzu Bean. Thinking it would be better for some little kids to fight Majin Buu even he could have killed him after turning into a SSJ3. Not fusing and killing Kid Buu all because of Saiyan pride.

Are we just going to ignore these stupid things Goku did?

Because Goku was 100% sure Gohan would have destroyed Cell...and he was right. Because there was no other way, Vegeta was dead, Gohan was thought to be dead and he never faced Buu before. The SSJ3 form sucks so much energy it reduced his time from one day to a couple minutes so would he even have enough time to gather enough energy and destroy Fat Buu? Because he believed it wasn't necessary to fuse anymore; sure he's done his mistakes but you guys are blowing it out of proportion.

This is correct. Gohan was the only choice actually left. It was either believe in Gohan's power or die. He couldn't beat Cell. He knew Gohan probably could, Gohan just didn't know it. He gave Cell a senzu because of that and to play a bit of mind games with Cell.

He didn't want to go SSJ3 to stop either Vegeta or Buu because it would shorten the ONE day he gets back in the living world. If you only got one of those in 7 years to see your friends and family you'd cherish it too. Besides, he also was DEAD and felt that he did not and should not be the one intervening with the living world. He didn't technically belong to that world anymore.

Not fusing to kill Kid Buu was not even his decision. Vegeta refused to do it anyway from what I recall. Vegeta wasn't going to fuse despite the power gain. It might have happened if it was literally the last possible second before it was all over but they found a way to defeat Buu without fusion.

And in regards to Goku's decision with letting Gero complete the androids/cyborgs... he also pointed out that nobody had actually done anything wrong yet and it wouldn't be fair.

Goku has made tough decisions but they weren't irresponsible. It's easy to make light of them and joke about them in that way, but in the terms of the story they make sense. He even stayed dead to try and prevent things from happening to Earth. Obviously he was wrong though, because things still happened even without him there. If he hadn't come back for the day, Buu still would have been revived.

[Triforce Master]

Indeed it was to be gag to show that Gotenks was overestimating his strength. Tried to post a link to show the panel with Gotenks being pummeled, but I understand the scanlation issues which they wouldn't provide any proper dialogue between characters and could cause misinterpretation of context (sorry admin). But in any case, the first successful fusion for Gotenks and says that he will beat buu and instead comes back beaten and bruised.

[TheRed259]

From the training with Whis...

[danielsan_190196]

Oh god, this is the official Latin American poster