Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[ekrolo2]

That would suck even more... It has been stated only the "prodigy" could do that, isn't? Well, the "Original Super Saiyan God" died because "he wasn't a prodigy", Kakarot absorbed because he is the protagonist is a prodigy... Now Vegeta is prodigy too?

Vegeta actually has higher potential than Goku.

Vegeta has better genes than Goku, the fact Goku keeps up with him points to Goku having a higher potential.

Vegeta has naturally higher potential than Goku as evidenced by Father of Goku. Goku himself just had better training opportunities like King Kai's Planet then seven years in Otherworld plus he knows how to properly train. Vegeta wasted his chance to get a permanent edge over Goku with his first ROSAT trip by essentially increasing his power the wrong way. If he were smarter and learned to just perfect his SSJ state, he could've reached the same strength level as Goku & Gohan and kept up with them.

[FortuneSSJ]

Vegeta has better genes than Goku, the fact Goku keeps up with him points to Goku having a higher potential.

This is the right answer. Thats the reason why Vegeta was pissed in Buu arc.
After seeing Goku killing Yakon, Vegeta just got proved that Goku had improve too.
Then in their fight he talks about how ashamed he feels, because while he trained for years, Goku just trained for a couple of hours and yet he still was the mumber 1.

[Lord Beerus]

Vegeta has better genes than Goku, the fact Goku keeps up with him points to Goku having a higher potential.

This is the right answer. Thats the reason why Vegeta was pissed in Buu arc.
After seeing Goku killing Yakon, Vegeta just got proved that Goku had improve too.
Then in their fight he talks about how ashamed he feels, because while he trained for years, Goku just trained for a couple of hours and yet he still was the mumber 1.

Goku did not train for a couple of hours. He trained the same amount of time Vegeta did. Goku just had the advantages of having s tougher body, which meant he could push himself beyond his limits, and he had the comfort of training with some of the greatest and strongest martial artists the universe has ever known.

[Bullza]

This guy is portrayed pretty much the same and we all know how "good" he is

No idea how got a Joker vibe from Whis, they're literally nothing alike.

A potential Aizen situation could develop though which would be interesting as they've not had a villain who at first seems like a good guy like that.

[DBZAOTA482]

Vegeta has better genes than Goku, the fact Goku keeps up with him points to Goku having a higher potential.

Nope, it's Vegeta. The rivarly between them is obviously a story of nature vs nurture cuz after all, the ranking of Saiyans are determined at birth by their strength which points to Vegeta having greater potential since Vegeta was a Super Elite, and Goku was a Low-Class. The reason Goku surpasses him at every turn is simply cuz he Goku has a better attitude.

That was the whole point to Vegeta's #1 speech.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

I'm kinda surprised that no one's brought up the fact that Goku charging Whis is kinda reminiscent of when Goku charged Popo with the Oozaru behind him like when he defeated Piccolo Daimao.

[sintzu]

Nope, it's Vegeta. The rivarly between them is obviously a story of nature vs nurture cuz after all, the ranking of Saiyans are determined at birth by their strength which points to Vegeta having greater potential since Vegeta was a Super Elite, and Goku was a Low-Class. The reason Goku surpasses him at every turn is simply cuz he Goku has a better attitude.

Plus he had a lot of help along the way while Vegeta did everything on his own.

No idea how got a Joker vibe from Whis, they're literally nothing alike.

They both look harmless but deep down they're so much more to them.

[Doctor.]

I'm kinda surprised that no one's brought up the fact that Goku charging Whis is kinda reminiscent of when Goku charged Popo with the Oozaru behind him like when he defeated Piccolo Daimao.

We've already brought it up and discussed if it has any meaning or it's just an effect.

[ShadowWolf87]

Vegeta actually has higher potential than Goku.

Vegeta has better genes than Goku, the fact Goku keeps up with him points to Goku having a higher potential.

Vegeta has naturally higher potential than Goku as evidenced by Father of Goku. Goku himself just had better training opportunities like King Kai's Planet then seven years in Otherworld plus he knows how to properly train. Vegeta wasted his chance to get a permanent edge over Goku with his first ROSAT trip by essentially increasing his power the wrong way. If he were smarter and learned to just perfect his SSJ state, he could've reached the same strength level as Goku & Gohan and kept up with them.

That would be Vegeta's better genes.

Also as of Minus, pretty sure that Special's not canon apart from Bardock's last stand.

[Big Momma]

How is Whis in any way portrayed like the Joker??

Joker looks like a happy fun clown so at first glance one would think he was a harmless good guy,not one of if not the most evil thing to walk the earth.

Same thing with Whis,he's always happy,relaxed and lets Beerus push him around so you wouldn't think by looking at him that he's this evil mastermind.

That's...an EXTREMELY surface level analysis that you can stretch to a pretty wide array of characters. Might as well say Goku could be the Joker, too.

I'm with you. It's an incredibly shallow analysis. And isn't necessarily true because most of the time Joker is depicted as a lunatic.


But, I digress.



I'm really anxious to see the training with Whis animated.

[ShadowWolf87]

Vegeta has better genes than Goku, the fact Goku keeps up with him points to Goku having a higher potential.

Nope, it's Vegeta. The rivarly between them is obviously a story of nature vs nurture cuz after all, the ranking of Saiyans are determined at birth by their strength which points to Vegeta having greater potential since Vegeta was a Super Elite, and Goku was a Low-Class. The reason Goku surpasses him at every turn is simply cuz he Goku has a better attitude.

That was the whole point to Vegeta's #1 speech.

Vegeta's "#1 Speech" had nothing to do with potential or genetics. People seem to be taking the Saiyan Caste System at face value and assuming that it's inherently accurate. It's not. That's part of the point of Goku and Vegeta's fight. Hard work allowed someone dubbed eternally low-class to surpass a "Super Elite"

Vegeta has a genetic advantage but that by no means he inherently has more potential.

[sintzu]

I'm with you. It's an incredibly shallow analysis.

I haven't seen many show so I don't have an ocean of characters to chose from.

[andr1y7]

Plus he had a lot of help along the way while Vegeta did everything on his own.

Besides the King Kai training, Goku didn't have much help in Z. Also, Vegeta grew up alongside really powerful fighters, in a different environment he would probably not have become this powerful.

It's just stupid to compare who is working harder or had more help towards becoming a better fighter and more powerful. Both of them are obsessed with training.

[ekrolo2]

Plus he had a lot of help along the way while Vegeta did everything on his own.

Besides the King Kai training, Goku didn't have much help in Z. Also, Vegeta grew up alongside really powerful fighters, in a different environment he would probably not have become this powerful.

It's just stupid to compare who is working harder or had more help towards becoming a better fighter and more powerful. Both of them are obsessed with training.

Goku was dead for seven years in Otherworld with fighters of great strength, intellect and equally obsessive training habits as him. Plus since he was dead he didn't 1) have to worry about anything else but training 2) didn't have to worry about exertion as his dead body had infinite Ki and vastly stronger durability and 3) worked in an environment that was probably tougher than that of Earth. An attribute which has consistently been shown in helping vastly increase a fighters power. Vegeta was stuck on Earth along with being more of a dad & family man, had his limited living body and wasted his second ROSAT trip. Had he been smarter with his first one, he could've gotten just as strong as Cell Games Goku & Gohan but he wasn't and that permanently handicapped him until Beerus introduced God Ki.

[DBZAOTA482]

Vegeta has better genes than Goku, the fact Goku keeps up with him points to Goku having a higher potential.

Nope, it's Vegeta. The rivarly between them is obviously a story of nature vs nurture cuz after all, the ranking of Saiyans are determined at birth by their strength which points to Vegeta having greater potential since Vegeta was a Super Elite, and Goku was a Low-Class. The reason Goku surpasses him at every turn is simply cuz he Goku has a better attitude.

That was the whole point to Vegeta's #1 speech.

Vegeta's "#1 Speech" had nothing to do with potential or genetics. People seem to be taking the Saiyan Caste System at face value and assuming that it's inherently accurate. It's not. That's part of the point of Goku and Vegeta's fight. Hard work allowed someone dubbed eternally low-class to surpass a "Super Elite"

Vegeta has a genetic advantage but that by no means he inherently has more potential.

So Vegeta's talk about hierachy the entire time was just him babbling? Like I'd believe that.

And Vegeta's speech may not have directly referenced potential but it put Goku's training ethics, general attitude, and why they tie into Goku always being ahead in the game into perspective.

[sintzu]

Besides the King Kai training, Goku didn't have much help in Z.

Also, Vegeta grew up alongside really powerful fighters, in a different environment he would probably not have become this powerful.

He had help from Gohan in the Cell arc and 7 years in the afterlife with no limits to how far he could push himself.

True and without him Goku and the rest would be nowhere near as strong as they are now.

That permanently handicapped him until Beerus introduced God Ki.

Before that he managed to surpass ssj3 Goku with ssj2 so I wouldn't say he was handicapped.

[Sandubadear]

didn't have to worry about exertion as his dead body had infinite Ki

This is wrong. Vegeta fights Kid Buu while dead but his ki still runs out. Iirc, the only advantage of being dead is that using SSJ3 is easier.

[ekrolo2]

Besides the King Kai training, Goku didn't have much help in Z.

Also, Vegeta grew up alongside really powerful fighters, in a different environment he would probably not have become this powerful.

He had help from Gohan in the Cell arc and 7 years in the afterlife with no limits to how far he could push himself.

True and without him Goku and the rest would be nowhere near as strong as they are now.

That permanently handicapped him until Beerus introduced God Ki.

Before that he managed to surpass ssj3 Goku with ssj2 so I wouldn't say he was handicapped.

For a second, unless he could find a way to permanently increase his power like that, he's still vastly inferior to Goku and especially Gotenks & Gohan who are in a totally other league to the two of them.

[Tennessaiyan]

Vegeta's "#1 Speech" had nothing to do with potential or genetics. People seem to be taking the Saiyan Caste System at face value and assuming that it's inherently accurate. It's not. That's part of the point of Goku and Vegeta's fight. Hard work allowed someone dubbed eternally low-class to surpass a "Super Elite"

Vegeta has a genetic advantage but that by no means he inherently has more potential.

I'll have to agree with both you and DBZAOTA482. Vegeta has the better genes, but the potential benefit goes to Goku, and his attitude is a bonus. If Vegeta can get into the right mindset and learn to relax as Whis recommended, I believe Vegeta has it in him to always be on per with Goku.

[dbzfan7]

I like how Goku's speech in the saiyan arc means nothing now a days.