What is the lamest thing to come out of modern DBZ?

[Kid Buu]

Bringing back Freeza and deciding to make him a shiny Pokemon.

[Mystic Tien]

"An episode from the blank decade between the end of the battle with Majin Buu in chapter 517 of the manga and chapter 518, will be depicted for the first time." - Toei Animation

And in the same press release in the same sentense it is said that "An episode from between the animation series “Z” and “GT"

"I take the movies as “stories in a different dimension from the main story of the comic”. I’m entirely just an audience member for them." - Akira Toriyama

And this exactly proves that Battle of Gods is not canon, and will never be such. Don't know what you were trying to prove with it.

"Dragon Ball GT is a grand side-story of the original Dragon Ball" - Akira Toriyama

Lone History Warrior Trunks is a side-story as well.

[As with the last movie], I thought up the new story for the next Dragon Ball theatrical film as though it were a continuation of the manga when it was in serialization. - Akira Toriyama

Yeah, and nowhere it states that BoG or FnF is canon, a part of manga, or a new arc of manga. Manga is finished. There is none of it anymore. It can't be a continuation of manga either, because manga has finished with Goku flying with Uub. There is no Uub in a movie.

Oh I think there is indeed an official statement of what is and what is not canon, but given in a way a fan could also consider whatever he likes.
And answering your question now that finally someone understood me; no. All the movies, except for Movie 14 and Movie 15, are not considered, fillers, side-stories, non-canon, not happened in the manga... Pick the one you like the most.

Oh right, because none of the anime ever happened in manga. It is quite obvious that only events of manga are what happened there, any additional material from any other source other than manga by Akira Toriyama is not canon to it.

What about my thoughts about modern DBZ, while I liked BoG, and I also enjoyed return of Pilaf very much, I still find a lot of things in it being pretty bad and not making any sense. The whole Goku not being able to achieve Beerus strength by training... While according to manga it seems that Beerus himself was rather weak once, and got his power by training... What about Vegeta getting Gohan's rage boost from nowhere... Or Beerus not knowing about Buu, while according to information about a new movie, even FRIEZA knows about him. Doesn't make much sense.

What about a new movie, well, I feel that it won't live to my expectations. I don't like Frieza's "new design" if it can even be called as such, because it is basically a recolour of the same old Frieza... So apparently they would ressurect Frieza, but Frieza won't even consider ressurecting his own father who was the one who led his empire in shadows to begin with? Doesn't make much sense either. I also actually expect Frieza turning sides in the end, while it may sound very unrealistic and a strange thing, but this was technically what was happening during the whole Dragon Ball series, and Vegeta (who was much worse than Frieza) came to be a decent person in the end (well, at least by saiyan standards), so it isn't impossible for Frieza to become an ally of some kind, even if he would train to kill Goku for the rest of his life. I would like for them to have some sort of common enemy (as it always happened in DBZ) for the sake of them uniting their powers and developing some kind of cooperation.

Vegeta killing Frieza will be lame, because this will lead plot nowhere. Saiyan's race was already avenged twice - by Goku and Trunks. There is no need to kill him any more. This will be just stupid. I would rather have Vegeta sparing Frieza the way Goku did it before, or something.

What I also don't like is that Piccolo seems apparently be beaten by some henchman of Frieza, which again doesn't make sense, unless he isn't actually Frieza's henchman, but just some new ally, who he recently contacted with to join his raid on Earth. Frieza was pretty confident in Ginyu being the strongest after himself, and was sure, that it would be very hard for anyone to compete with him. What I really hate is how they treat Gohan - like seriously, not only he was acting like a complete idiot during the whole Battle of Gods, but he was also a reason for his own wife (!!!) being shot, while she was pregnant... If things went just slightly different, he could kill his own wife... and daughter. What a great father, nothing more to say there. And now apparently Gohan seems to go Super Saiyan... against some random hencmen... while he didn't do it against Beerus. Yeah, doesn't make any sense either.

So I hope that at the very least Frieza won't be killed in the end of a movie, and will be enemy/ally/whatever else for a longer time, because otherwise I see the idea of this movie just pointless. I also hope that Vegeta won't suddenly gain SSJ3... Because it is already unneeded, and it is too late for this. And that he will finally prove himself to be a defender of Earth. I hope that he will fight for humanity this time, and not for just Bulma. This will be a great character development for him.

[tx3]

Bringing back Freeza and deciding to make him a shiny Pokemon.

haha

[Zephyr]

I just realized what bothers me, probably more than anything else, about the current state of the franchise.

Toriyama intentionally ended the manga the way he did so that the story would be open ended, and it would be easy for the story to continue. In spite of this, he seems to be actively shying away from taking advantage of that.

[ABED]

I just realized what bothers me, probably more than anything else, about the current state of the franchise.

Toriyama intentionally ended the manga the way he did so that the story would be open ended, and it would be easy for the story to continue. In spite of this, he seems to be actively shying away from taking advantage of that.

He did it for 10 years.

[Zephyr]

He wasn't actively trying to continue the main story before.

[ABED]

He wasn't actively trying to continue the main story before.

Point being? He worked on a weekly schedule for 10 years! I'm sure he liked his creation but I can see where after 10 years of creating something, they would want to not work on it anymore. One could easily leave something open ending and give a definitive end at the same time. The loose ends were tied up at the end of the story.

[Zephyr]

I'm just saying, he left the ending open so it could be continued and seems to be afraid of capitalizing on that. I can understand why he might not want to, but that doesn't make it irk me any less.

[Dyno]

any additional material from any other source other than manga by Akira Toriyama is not canon to it.

Ooishi Naho and Tarble's manga disagree with that.

[Mystic Tien]

any additional material from any other source other than manga by Akira Toriyama is not canon to it.

Ooishi Naho and Tarble's manga disagree with that.

Tarble's manga is especially not canon, because the guy is a creator of fan-made manga series which continue events of GT.

[Dyno]

Tarble's manga is especially not canon, because the guy is a creator of fan-made manga series which continue events of GT.

What the... Hell...

[Mystic Tien]

Tarble's manga is especially not canon, because the guy is a creator of fan-made manga series which continue events of GT.

What the... Hell...

Lol, I confused it with "Toyble's" manga for some reason. But Ooishi Naho is still just some girl, who was given privilegies to make a parody of Dragon Ball (SD) and one-shot special chapter about Tarble, so it it still not canon.

[Dyno]

But Ooishi Naho is still just some girl, who was given privilegies to make an one-shot special chapter about Tarble, so it it still not canon.

What's the point of bringing the fact she is a girl?

Well, if you say so... Who am I to say otherwise?

[TheGreatness25]

Wow. The opening post perfectly sums it up! That's awesome. The problem is that we've had this established story for so long and now it's starting to get withered away for the sake of making some more money. Why not do a story that doesn't conflict with what we already know? Why not do one after GT? Hell, why not do one after the end of Z? Because this is all screwing up whatever I knew as a fan. Now Goku can't turn Super Saiyan? Um okay, way to destroy GT. Whether anyone likes it or not, it HAS been part of the Dragon Ball story for years. Now, besides "sucking," it's basically been done away with. Unless of course Goku turns Super Saiyan in Resurrection F. That would at least make up for it just a little bit.

[Mystic Tien]

But Ooishi Naho is still just some girl, who was given privilegies to make an one-shot special chapter about Tarble, so it it still not canon.

What's the point of bringing the fact she is a girl?

Well, if you say so... Who am I to say otherwise?

I mean, she is not a prominent mangaka who has a lot of well-known titles, she is basically some fan girl of Toriyama who got rights to write one special chapter about Bardock, and one special chapter about Goku and others after Buu, nothing about gender. And Toyble is just some boy who was previously drawing Dragon Ball AF, which is a fan-made continuation of Dragon Ball GT. He is not different from her, seriously. So taking her work as canon to Dragon Ball manga is like taking Toyble's new adaptation of FnF as canon to manga, or even his Dragon Ball AF as canon to manga.

Wow. The opening post perfectly sums it up! That's awesome. The problem is that we've had this established story for so long and now it's starting to get withered away for the sake of making some more money. Why not do a story that doesn't conflict with what we already know? Why not do one after GT? Hell, why not do one after the end of Z? Because this is all screwing up whatever I knew as a fan. Now Goku can't turn Super Saiyan? Um okay, way to destroy GT. Whether anyone likes it or not, it HAS been part of the Dragon Ball story for years. Now, besides "sucking," it's basically been done away with. Unless of course Goku turns Super Saiyan in Resurrection F. That would at least make up for it just a little bit.

You don't understand, it is not like Toriyama is trying to erase something. His new works very often contradict such well known sources as both anime and manga. The problem is that he doesn't remember a lot about his own manga (which he admitted himself, when he said that he mistook SSJ2 for SSJ3), including such characters as Lunch, such things as hair colour of Android 18 etc. I am also pretty sure that he never actually watched the whole DBZ series, even if he did, I doubt that he did it more than once, so it is just fair that he forgot all about it. He doesn't consider anime version of his manga, including all the movies, specials, OVA's (even the one which he approved by himself, and found to be pretty good) and anime-only continuations (GT). That's why he does things the way he does now. He simply doesn't remember/doesn't have much knowledge about it. You should just accept everything as separate timelines, there is no other way for it. Like Bardock: The Father of Goku being one of the possible timelines, FnF Bardock's past version (the way it would probably be shown in FnF, with Jaco now being in the movie) the other one, Dragon Ball Minus (actual manga version) the third one etc.

By the way Goku can turn SSJ even after absorbing SSJ God, he did it in the end of BoG, and Toriyama himself states that Goku can turn into SSJ, it is just that he most likely won't use any other forms after it.

[Tatakae!!Ramenman]

I think the lamest thing is the new art style. I had very few moments in battle of gods where I thought the animation was beautiful compared to other Z movies.

[Eire]

But Ooishi Naho is still just some girl, who was given privilegies to make an one-shot special chapter about Tarble, so it it still not canon.

What's the point of bringing the fact she is a girl?

Well, if you say so... Who am I to say otherwise?

I mean, she is not a prominent mangaka who has a lot of well-known titles, she is basically some fan girl of Toriyama who got rights to write one special chapter about Bardock, and one special chapter about Goku and others after Buu, nothing about gender. And Toyble is just some boy who was previously drawing Dragon Ball AF, which is a fan-made continuation of Dragon Ball GT. He is not different from her, seriously.

Short question- was he commissioned and paid by the author of original to do work? Because it makes difference between fanfiction and official work.

[fadeddreams5]

I found an example of something that's been bothering me for a long time.

This is Toriyama's concept art of Broly (notice LSSJ hair):

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This is Broly in the first movie (compare hair with SSJ Gohan and Trunks):

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This is the Broly clone before he turns into Bio Broly (difference?):

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This is modern day Broly (wtf):

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So what's my point? Toriyama drew him with regular blond hair. In the original movie, his hair was presumably tinted green because of the mind control device, but it was still a mixture of yellow too. In the third Broly movie, that is not the case (this Broly was never exposed to that machine), so his hair is blond again. However, for some reason, modern art has made his hair purely green with no shades of yellow. In fact, it's so green, he might as well be a SSJG. This is ugly and NOT how this character is meant to appear--not even in his first movie.

[DBZAOTA482]

I found an example of something that's been bothering me for a long time.

This is Toriyama's concept art of Broly (notice LSSJ hair):

Spoiler:

This is Broly in the first movie (compare hair with SSJ Gohan and Trunks):

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This is the Broly clone before he turns into Bio Broly (difference?):

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This is modern day Broly (wtf):

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So what's my point? Toriyama drew him with regular blond hair. In the original movie, his hair was presumably tinted green because of the mind control device, but it was still a mixture of yellow too. In the third Broly movie, that is not the case (this Broly was never exposed to that machine), so his hair is blond again. However, for some reason, modern art has made his hair purely green with no shades of yellow. In fact, it's so green, he might as well be a SSJG. This is ugly and NOT how this character is meant to appear--not even in his first movie.

Not to mention his head shape is the same as everyone else's now.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So what's my point? Toriyama drew him with regular blond hair.

No, Toriyama drew him in black & white. The colored image shows him how he looks like in the anime, and more specifically, Movie 10, where he doesn't have green hair at all.