What counts as "lost" content in the franchise?

ShadowDude112 · Post by **ShadowDude112** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:23 pm

So a lot of people call Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans the "lost OVA" when that's not true about it at all. It's available on the JPN Dragon Boxes and fansubs of it have been available for a long time. But what actually is lost content of the manga or anime? I'm not talking audio either, I mean stuff we haven't seen before. That year-end special counts, but what else is there that was shown but never released after it was aired?

sintzu · Post by **sintzu** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:31 pm

Something you can't find anywhere,something that was released once and was never seen again anywhere else which is rare in today's world.

fadeddreams5 · Post by **fadeddreams5** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:38 pm

ShadowDude112 wrote:So a lot of people call Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans the "lost OVA" when that's not true about it at all. It's available on the JPN Dragon Boxes and fansubs of it have been available for a long time. But what actually [img]is[/img] lost content of the manga or anime? I'm not talking audio either, I mean stuff we haven't seen before. That year-end special counts, but what else is there that was shown but never released after it was aired?

Yeah, people call Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans the "lost OVA" when in actuality it was just pretty obscure (before that one DBZ fighting game came out in modern times) for many years. Unless you're a Kanzenshuu user or any fan-site equivalent, it's easy to see why many non-Japanese people never heard of it.

Anyways, I would say "lost" in this context implies anything out of production for years and rare. I wouldn't know how to answer that, honestly. =P

ShadowDude112 · Post by **ShadowDude112** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:40 pm

I meant like, what are certain things that are actually lost other than that year-end special?

Tyro · Post by **Tyro** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:41 pm

Toriyama was notorious for not caring enough to preserve his beta sketches, giving them to his children as scrap paper to draw on. Probably not the most grand content to be lost, but there could have been notes galore buried in them. And I know I harp on it a lot, but several Weekly Jump covers were never reprinted in the Daizenshuu and Chogashuu special illustrations, like Weekly Jump #51 1984 for example. I've also never seen the tankobon volume cover pages (first page in each volume) in their full color glory.

fadeddreams5 · Post by **fadeddreams5** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:45 pm

Besides the Toriyama sketches mentioned and possible scripts (e.g. original BoG script) or art work, I don't think there's anything "lost" from the actual anime or manga. As in, an actual episode or special.

That said, I'm sure there may be old Japanese commercials or DBZ related shows from the time the series was at its prime that may fit the bill. I'm actually interested in seeing that. >.>

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:48 pm

I don't think there is any DBZ media that is lost for good. When I think of something is lost then I think of a movie like London After Midnight (1927) which is gone for good on the face of the Earth. I think some of the old TV ads for Dragon Ball back in 1986 are hard to fine but not lost.

UpFromTheSkies · Post by **UpFromTheSkies** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 7:14 pm

It's easy to find now, but back in the 90's when the original Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans was made it only had a limited VHS release, and a release on an interactive "choose your own adventure" style video system called the Playdia which wasn't very successful, so not many people knew about it.

As for actual lost content, there are some specials that have never received a proper release, such as an educational special, and one where Goku and Gohan host a showing of Dragon Ball movies. I also had a friend back in the early 2000s with a relative who worked for TOEI, and according to him they were planning to create a new episode or special to be included in the Dragon Boxes, but it never happened.

Hellspawn28 · Post by **Hellspawn28** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 7:58 pm

Info on Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans has been up for years and there has been fan subs for it on the web for ages as well. I even discover about Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans back in late 2003 thanks to Daizenshuu EX. I can understand if it was the 90's but I would imagine most fans would know about Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans before it's 2010 remake since the Internet has grown more popular in Internet houses in over 10 years now since 2003 or 2004.

samuraix123 · Post by **samuraix123** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:01 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:I don't think there is any DBZ media that is lost for good. When I think of something is lost then I think of a movie like London After Midnight (1927) which is gone for good on the face of the Earth. I think some of the old TV ads for Dragon Ball back in 1986 are hard to fine but not lost.

The fact that you know about that makes me happy. haha I'm a big fan of the universal monsters and a lot of those old films and I never hear anyone talking about that.

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:24 pm

samuraix123 wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:I don't think there is any DBZ media that is lost for good. When I think of something is lost then I think of a movie like London After Midnight (1927) which is gone for good on the face of the Earth. I think some of the old TV ads for Dragon Ball back in 1986 are hard to fine but not lost.
The fact that you know about that makes me happy. haha I'm a big fan of the universal monsters and a lot of those old films and I never hear anyone talking about that.

At least they were able to release a reconstruction of it, many lost content doesn't even get that.

Plus who knows... never know what will be found in a film can somewhere in the world...

I mean... Metropolis is nearly complete at this point, and everyone had long since given up on getting anything close to the original film released.

samuraix123 · Post by **samuraix123** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:34 pm

MarcFBR wrote:
samuraix123 wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:I don't think there is any DBZ media that is lost for good. When I think of something is lost then I think of a movie like London After Midnight (1927) which is gone for good on the face of the Earth. I think some of the old TV ads for Dragon Ball back in 1986 are hard to fine but not lost.
The fact that you know about that makes me happy. haha I'm a big fan of the universal monsters and a lot of those old films and I never hear anyone talking about that.
At least they were able to release a reconstruction of it, many lost content doesn't even get that.

Plus who knows... never know what will be found in a film can somewhere in the world...

I mean... Metropolis is nearly complete at this point, and everyone had long since given up on getting anything close to the original film released.

Not to derail the thread and I know it's not Dragonball related but I would love to see that happen in my lifetime. but as time goes on people might not appreciate it as much as me or you or Hellspawn28. even though I was born in 89, I still grew up watching all those old horror movies at night and recorded them every chance I got and just like london after midnight, when our house caught fire I lost recordings that I had of them BUT! I got em on Bluray now so it's all good.

Continue on.

The S · Post by **The S** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:53 pm

GT's "Lost Episodes" saga, of course! It's right there in the name XD

No seriously though, um... I'd say there was a lot more "lost" content years ago, back when the internet was still finding its place outside of the random Geocities and Angelfire pages. I tried like hell to find more than just audio clips of the Harmony Gold dub but was completely unsuccessful until I found them on this "You Tube" thing like a decade later.

Sandubadear · Post by **Sandubadear** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:13 pm

Dr. Slump anime? I can't find this anywhere, only about 20 episodes.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:20 pm

The first 16 episodes of GT.

EDIT: Shit, I appear to have been beaten to that joke...

thomas1up · Post by **thomas1up** » Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:14 pm

Do dubs count? Because if so...

The Philippines dub of Dragon Ball + first 30 episodes of Z, this has never been released at all and I have not seen ANY recordings of it at all, all I know is that it exists, it's probably(?) still stored somewhere, but will likely never be seen again.

DBZAOTA482 · Post by **DBZAOTA482** » Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:17 pm

The Harmony Gold dub of Dragon Ball.

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:39 pm

Tyro wrote: And I know I harp on it a lot, but several Weekly Jump covers were never reprinted in the Daizenshuu and Chogashuu special illustrations, like Weekly Jump #51 1984 for example. I've also never seen the tankobon volume cover pages (first page in each volume) in their full color glory.

I believe a number of the Jump cover artwork actually IS lost and only survives in their published format with all kinds of logos and text obscuring part of the art.

90sDBZ · Post by **90sDBZ** » Sun Mar 22, 2015 4:52 pm

Dale Kelly's narration from the Cell Games episodes comes to mind. As does most of the NEPs from Funimation's dub.

dougo13 · Post by **dougo13** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:27 am

Japan among other countries has done lots of stuff that was a one-time event. I have scads of specials that were shown once and never repeated including the shown once World of Leiji Matsumoto special from 1980 in which he interacts with his female creations from different series like GE 999, Space Cruiser Yamato and Captain Harlock. This was never released anywhere and is now considered lost though I have seen poor multi generation copies on the net. Mine is off air though. As to Dragonball, I never saw a special on the life of Toriyama so I don't know if anything like that was even considered. I do have them for other famous artists like Tezuka though. Up here in Canada, the back catalog of TVOntario was erased by the powers that be back in the 1980s and 1990s. I have a lot of material that no longer exists in their archive. Thank goodness fans have preserved some of it.

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