"(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

[Herms]

She looked at the technique and isn't really comfortable providing a translation. The furigana and the kanji don't match up exactly, so there's probably a little bit of wordplay or some deeper meaning that she's not understanding. So someone call in Herms. =P

If it's the thing that gets rid of Vegeta, then it's simply 暗黒の力/Ankoku no Chikara ("Power of Darkness") like you thought. The technique is described as sending the opponent "flying to the far reaches of space-time". All the furigana seems to match though, so I'm not quite sure what your fiancé meant. I guess the furigana for 力 is blurry and hard to make out, but near as I can tell it's simply ちから like it should be. Or is there some other technique later on in the video?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

No, that's the technique. I think she was just in too much of a rush between classes when she looked at it for me. The combination of that, not wearing her glasses and the stuff already being a bit blurry had her reading things weird. She had said something about the furigana not matching the last portion about a sword, which I think had her confused since there was obviously no sword. So maybe she was mistaking chikara/力 for katana/刀 and so the furigana weren't making sense.

[Dyno]

暗黒の力/Ankoku no Chikara - Power of Darkness: The technique is described as sending the opponent "flying to the far reaches of space-time".

Fucking awesome. Dragon Ball Heroes adding more to the character than any other game/person has ever done.

Actually it is in the same level as Ooishi Naho, but okay.

By the way, thank you both for the translation!

[aryansaiyan]

New official ssjg Gokû art is always appreciated. =u=

Re: ssj4 Vegeta getting thrown away in the video

I know "jikuu" is "space-time", so...maybe oozaru Bardock can open up something like the dead zone? Doesn't completely make sense, but after lime green oozaru Brolli I put nothing past Heroes.

Yeah, I had to watch the scene a couple of times to get it, it looks like Evil Bardock can open a "time vortex" and send a character through it. It is pretty interesting, I wonder if with that Bardock can send characters to another time.
And come on, that thing will always be the most ridiculous part of the whole Dragon Ball franchise, just ignore it and you will see how all the other things are pretty amazing and worth to give attention.

It's kind of annoying, you always referring to Broly in a derogatory way. But that is his version of a Golden Great ape. He had Green Hair as a SSJ3, so its not even that farfetched. You want to know something ridiculous? Evil Bardock being stronger than SSJ4 Goku, but I'm not going to imply my distaste for it in every single post I make that involves him.

[Dyno]

But that is his version of a Golden Great ape.

The worst design/look ever. Well, being a terrible character as it is, it perfectly works for it.

He had Green Hair as a SSJ3.

And I ask this question until nowadays: why? If only his forms were based in his base form, maybe they would be a little cooler. Just maybe.

You want to know something ridiculous? Evil Bardock being stronger than SSJ4 Goku, but I'm not going to imply my distaste for it in every single post I make that involves him.

Yeah, but hey... Do I have to count how many times they overestimate that thing? In twenty-five years of Bardock's existence, this is the first time they push Bardock so far to this point. Do I really need to count how many time they did this for that pointless character?

[aryansaiyan]

It's fine. I just really like how Akira Toriyama designed Broly's unique form, that's Toriyama's view of a Saiyan power house. Don't like it? Cool, it's just your opinion and nothing more. But if someone 11 feet tall isn't cool to you then you must not like character's like that. I agree his base form is cool. Theres not much they could do for his Golden Great Ape, besides making the hair spikier. He may be pointless, but there are intellectual fans of him like me.. so lets not get into a opinionated argument okay?

Personally I want Bardock to have a SSJ4 form, but Heroes has yet to milk that transformation. So it will be okay young padawon.
Also it kind of proves your biased against him not to find Gogeta Golden Great Ape just as ridiculous lol. Just look at him.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Broli and Gogeta's Ozaru forms are both ridiculous, but Gogeta's is less so. The only thing truly disappointing about Gogeta's is the hair bang. The clothes are...odd, but it's possible the "magical" properties of the technique allow the clothes to stretch or something, and the clothes would definitely appear if they fused as Ozaru. xD

Broli on the other hand has a terrible hair design, the clothes are unlikely to stretch and the green color for his fur is fairly ugly. That's latter bit is not something exclusive to this form though...

[BlazingBarrrager]

It's terrible they're constantly milking the green color DESPITE THE FACT HIS HAIR BECAME THE RIGHT, BLONDE COLOR IN SECOND COMING, or at least had a green tint to it, but still not that horrible green. :/

[aryansaiyan]

The green may be terrible, but its the only thing that gives him a sense of "there is something different about this Saiyajin, he has abnormal energy properties that know no end", I just don't see it as terrible, rather... odd lol. His Hair is however poorly executed, did you mean his actual hair itself or hair as an Oozaru, which I agree because even Goku's hair wasn't like that when he was an Oozaru. It should be spikey like always.

[Dyno]

Broli and Gogeta's Ozaru forms are both ridiculous, but Gogeta's is less so.

Actually it is way less ridiculous. Oozaru Gogeta is kind of stylish. I liked him.

Broli on the other hand has a terrible hair design, the clothes are unlikely to stretch and the green color for his fur is fairly ugly. That's latter bit is not something exclusive to this form though...

And actually its Oozaru is the most terrible of all things ever to have had happened/come out in the franchise. I could add more, but... No necessity of it.

Personally I want Bardock to have a SSJ4 form, but Heroes has yet to milk that transformation. So it will be okay young padawon.
Also it kind of proves your biased against him not to find Gogeta Golden Great Ape just as ridiculous lol. Just look at him.

Super Saiyan 4 Bardock is as atrocious as anything that thing could receive... Just no. I didn't even want a Super Saiyan 3 Bardock, let alone a Super Saiyan 4, but given the facts they fucked with his Super Saiyan 2 (my favorite transformation), now it is needed for him to have a properly Super Saiyan 3, though I will still continue to not like him in that form a bit.

I'm totally glad and satisfied with Evil Bardock/Oozaru Evil Bardock (the most well-designed Oozaru) and maybe Super Saiyan Evil Bardock.

[BlazingBarrrager]

Bardock getting SSJ alone was farfetched. SSJ2 was just overkill. I mean I'm fine with Bardock having SSJ and all, but come on SSJ2? Still not as bad as GT Trunks getting SSJ3. Seriously WTF Dimps?

The green may be terrible, but its the only thing that gives him a sense of "there is something different about this Saiyajin, he has abnormal energy properties that know no end", I just don't see it as terrible, rather... odd lol. His Hair is however poorly executed, did you mean his actual hair itself or hair as an Oozaru, which I agree because even Goku's hair wasn't like that when he was an Oozaru. It should be spikey like always.

I mean period. The green hair color (and blue hair color of his SSJ form) was supposed to represent the restrain of the mind control device on his head. He lost it and spent 7 years in a frozen coma. Sure it didn't help his sanity one bit, but it at least showed how his Super Saiyan forms truly looked.

If anything, we should be blaming Toei for this one. Akira's original drafts showed him with blonde SSJ hair in LSSJ, but Toei goes "nope lets make it green." Also mad that they're probably one of the reasons Pan hasn't gotten SSJ yet. Poachers...

[aryansaiyan]

Super Saiyan 4 Bardock is as atrocious as anything that thing could receive... Just no. I didn't even want a Super Saiyan 3 Bardock, let alone a Super Saiyan 4, but given the facts they fucked with his Super Saiyan 2 (my favorite transformation), now it is needed for him to have a properly Super Saiyan 3, though I will still continue to not like him in that form a bit.

I'm totally glad and satisfied with Evil Bardock/Oozaru Evil Bardock (the most well-designed Oozaru) and maybe Super Saiyan Evil Bardock.

Having trouble following your train of thought here lol, in what way is a SSJ4 Bardock atrocious? He can already control himself as a Oozaru, him going golden great ape is not farfetched since he became SSJ2, which is something Vegeta' couldn't do for a while.. what kind of standards do you have? SSJ4 Bardock standing along his son who is also a SSJ4 is cool.. but no, Dyno thinks its atrocious

[BlazingBarrrager]

Super Saiyan 4 Bardock is as atrocious as anything that thing could receive... Just no. I didn't even want a Super Saiyan 3 Bardock, let alone a Super Saiyan 4, but given the facts they fucked with his Super Saiyan 2 (my favorite transformation), now it is needed for him to have a properly Super Saiyan 3, though I will still continue to not like him in that form a bit.

I'm totally glad and satisfied with Evil Bardock/Oozaru Evil Bardock (the most well-designed Oozaru) and maybe Super Saiyan Evil Bardock.

Having trouble following your train of thought here lol, in what way is a SSJ4 Bardock atrocious? He can already control himself as a Oozaru, him going golden great ape is not farfetched since he became SSJ2, which is something Vegeta' couldn't do for a while.. what kind of standards do you have? SSJ4 Bardock standing along his son who is also a SSJ4 is cool.. but no, Dyno thinks its atrocious

Bardock is a low-class warrior (he constantly admits this). By the time he died, he had the same power level as King Vegeta (at least I think he did). The whole "Episode of Bardock" stunt alone is farfetched and completely screws over how strong you need to be in order to gain SSJ. Even after a Zenkai boost from Freeza's Supernova, the guy shouldn't even be close to the power requirement for SSJ. Giving SSJ2 is overkill and giving him SSJ4 makes me want to shoot Dimps.

[Dyno]

Bardock getting SSJ alone was farfetched. SSJ2 was just overkill. I mean I'm fine with Bardock having SSJ and all, but come on SSJ2? Still not as bad as GT Trunks getting SSJ3. Seriously WTF Dimps?

As I said, Super Saiyan 2 being my favorite form just makes Bardock even more badass (is it possible?), but as everyone uses to say: There's a limit to everything. And for Bardock, it is the Super Saiyan 2.

And I think GT Trunks got it following his counter-part popularity... You see, Son Goten has no other form beyond Super Saiyan.

Having trouble following your train of thought here lol, in what way is a SSJ4 Bardock atrocious? He can already control himself as a Oozaru, him going golden great ape is not farfetched since he became SSJ2, which is something Vegeta' couldn't do for a while.. what kind of standards do you have? SSJ4 Bardock standing along his son who is also a SSJ4 is cool.. but no, Dyno thinks its atrocious

Design is my standard. Bardock would look terrible/another Kakarot probably with a headband. I don't like Super Saiyan 4 design, by the way. Though, the only one who fits well for that form is Gogeta. Is it possible for him to have a Golden Great Ape and thus Super Saiyan 4 form? Yes. Would he looks cool? Don't think so. You see, it's not because it's Bardock that I "have" to like everything that could happen with him. I'm not like those "Broly" fans who licks everything related to "him".

[BlazingBarrrager]

SSJ4: bad design, easier way to obtain than SSJ3, and freaken broken. Oh, and Broli has it now. Again, WTF Dimps/Toei?

[aryansaiyan]

Yeah I always assumed SSJ2 Bardock was from the Episode of Bardock timeline, and of course they undermined the prerequisites for SSJ, he couldn't take Third Form Freeza as a SSJ hahahaha. Seriously though he couldn't. But that Naho Ooishi and her attempt to make a credible story is quite cute, so ill give him the benefit of the doubt and say he could ascend.

Well not liking SSJ4 explains everything :p I only want to see SSJ3 Bardock, because SSJ3 is my favorite form. The enlarged supraorbital foramen is badass to me, and I prefer it to SSJ2.

Also SSJ3 GT Trunks is probably the most convoluted thing they could have ever done lol.

[BlazingBarrrager]

Yeah I always assumed SSJ2 Bardock was from the Episode of Bardock timeline, and of course they undermined the prerequisites for SSJ, he couldn't take Third Form Freeza as a SSJ hahahaha. Seriously though he couldn't. But that Naho Ooishi and her attempt to make a credible story is quite cute, so ill give him the benefit of the doubt and say he could ascend.

Well not liking SSJ4 explains everything :p I only want to see SSJ3 Bardock, because SSJ3 is my favorite form. The enlarged supraorbital foramen is badass to me, and I prefer it to SSJ2.

Also SSJ3 GT Trunks is probably the most convoluted thing they could have ever done lol.

Bardock having SSJ is tolerable at best. Bardock having SSJ2 is overkill. Bardock having SSJ3 is Dimps asking to be shot.

Also, why the hell haven't we seen Gine yet, and don't give me the "she hasn't done anything" crap. There are plenty of other characters who are playable and actually made it into fighting games with a complete moveset (one major offender being Whis).

[Dyno]

SSJ4: bad design, easier way to obtain than SSJ3, and freaken broken. Oh, and Broli has it now. Again, WTF Dimps/Toei?

That was really unnecessary to point out here. *Dies due to exceeded shame of that thing*

Yeah I always assumed SSJ2 Bardock was from the Episode of Bardock timeline, and of course they undermined the prerequisites for SSJ, he couldn't take Third Form Freeza as a SSJ hahahaha. Seriously though he couldn't. But that Naho Ooishi and her attempt to make a credible story is quite cute, so ill give him the benefit of the doubt and say he could ascend.

Well not liking SSJ4 explains everything :p I only want to see SSJ3 Bardock, because SSJ3 is my favorite form. The enlarged supraorbital foramen is badass to me, and I prefer it to SSJ2.

Indeed it is. I don't think they (or Ooishi Naho) would ever create another material to explain how and why he got Super Saiyan 2.

Hope we get Super Saiyan Evil Bardock first, let his Super Saiyan 3 form for the ending of God Mission series.

[dbzfan7]

SSJ4: bad design, easier way to obtain than SSJ3, and freaken broken.

Really? Personally it's one of the best designed forms. Though the rest I agree with as it's easier and just overall much better than 3, without a real weakness. It's arguable but unlikely cutting the tail off would make SSJ4 impossible. Still a hell of a lot better than God IMO. Though I've seen plenty of people hate the look of SSJ4. My issue is no nipples outside of being a little too OP a form.

[BlazingBarrrager]

SSJ4: bad design, easier way to obtain than SSJ3, and freaken broken.

Really? Personally it's one of the best designed forms. Though the rest I agree with as it's easier and just overall much better than 3, without a real weakness. It's arguable but unlikely cutting the tail off would make SSJ4 impossible. Still a hell of a lot better than God IMO. Though I've seen plenty of people hate the look of SSJ4. My issue is no nipples outside of being a little too OP a form.

SSJ God is at least balanced. Requires five Saiyans with righteous hearts (bad enough that there are only two pure Saiyans alive; three if you count Tarble being legit and 5 hybrids as of the end of DBZ), has a short time limit, and still isn't enough to be completely equal to Beerus or Whis. Also, I love the design compared to SSJ4. It isn't overkill and gives us a nod to Goku's Kaio-Ken which had long since been forgotten. Oh, and it's Akira's creation unlike SSJ4. Hell SSJ God doesn't even have a plot hole involved in it.

But enough about this. We're going way off topic right now so let's get back to Heroes. Actually just watched the latest trailer and I'm actually a bit iffy about Future Trunks having a Scouter and giving it to Beat. Could be a nod to DBO (where every player character had one) and XV where Trunks gives you one after your first Time Patrol Mission, but still.