Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Chuquita]

Yay Julian!!! Looking so forward to that movie summary (will you leave drawings like Kei did for BOG?).

Re: trailer
Unfortunate. No new plot points, no outstanding animation. Strange hearing idol song in the backdrop. Still excited for this movie anyway (Gokû and Vegeta storyline~=u= )

[Gyt Kaliba]

Woo-hoo! Congrats on getting in Julian - even if you had to flex some muscle, per say, to do so - can't wait to hear how it is!

[ZombieVito]

Piccolo doing a Makankosappo.

Gohan is fighting in base? Maybe they changed his SSJ again.

[TheGmGoken]

Boo for Beerus

Wait what

Hooray for Makankosappo again, it has been a while

Excuse me!?

This is a guy who likes Bio Broly guys

That look Goku gave Freeza is awesome, anyone know what he said to him?

Umm..so? I have an opinion. I don't have to like Beerus and I don't have to dislike Bio Broly because the majority do. I see no reason at laughing at my opinion.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

The animation for these shots looks very uninspiring.

Now would be a good time to sell the license to a dependable animation company, like MADHOUSE Inc.

[MagicBox]

Between this TV spot and the theatrical trailer, have we even seen a hand-drawn Jaco? Surely they're not using that distracting CG model for the entire film... right?



EDIT: Nevermind. We have. That shot of him with the Z-Warriors was hand-drawn.

But hot damn, yay for Julian. Spoilers in t-minus five days and counting.

[bleed0range]

Yay for more Jaco footage! Also, while he may stick out as CGI...at least it's still better than the CG on those Freeza soldiers Roshi scatters. That part just looks...oww.

I don't know how you guys are saying that sticks out like a sore thumb, it doesn't even look CGI to me. And what exactly is CGI during the Roshi scattering scene? Are you guys just making major assumptions on the animation?

With Jaco I'm not 100% sure, but with the soldiers that Roshi knocks away with his Kamehameha...it just seems kind of...it looks kind of like they're scattering away on clearly defined tracks, which screams lazy CG to me.

Alright that's what I thought, you guys are just assuming. I feel like the negativity surrounding the assumption that the animation is "lazy" is affecting perception of what actually IS or IS NOT CGI. I'm a pretty big fan of animation in general and I do not really see much CGI in these scenes. A character who is actually made up of CGI would stand out a lot more. For example... in BOG most of the scenes involving Beerus and Goku, only the background or the special effects are actually in CGI while the characters themselves are drawn normally and inserted over these scenes. It didn't really work because of how jarring it was. But there's one instance during their fight where both characters are CGI and it's a lot more evident how BAD actual CGI sticks out.

Spoiler:

I don't see these "clearly defined tracks" you are speaking of. Which isn't really what "cgi" is anyway. After re-watching a lot of BOG footage and looking at footage of this, there does appear to be far less CGI both in backgrounds and in character animation itself. All I see is computer assisted/editing in traditional 2D animation. Of course Freeza's soldiers seem to be cloned, but that's only cloned from a series of traditionally animated characters. This isn't anything new, it's been used in animation for over 20 years.

The only computer stuff I'm even seeing here is in effects. The motion blurs are added over the animation to give it the illusion of speed and there's some energy attack stuff that's CGI, but actually most of this stuff looks traditionally animated to me. All the scenes in that trailer of Freeza and Goku look traditionally animated and the backrounds don't seem to be CGI either! And of course the explosion at the end is obviously CGI.

I re-watched the other older trailer too (the one here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdkcNO3YqGY) just to get a better grasp of the animation. The only stuff that seems CGI, again, is the effects and some cloning on Freeza's army to give it the illusion that there are a thousand of them. The rock wall Jaco runs along also is CGI. But nevertheless it seems there's a LOT less CGI then before.

If Jaco IS CGI in that scene, then they did a much better job and at least deserve that credit. I honestly can't tell. If it's traditionally animated that's a lot of frames of animation to make that turn look so smooth. If it's CGI, they blended the look with a cel-shading effect that is far better then whatever they did in BOG. It looks on-model. I think what is most jarring about it is it's a scene that's obviously meant to play up the 3D effect in the movie theater.

But cut the guys a break, maybe it's been awhile since you saw BOG but after re-watching the Beerus fight and then the ROF trailers again it does seem there is an improvement in animation and less use (and jarring use) of CGI. The animation in ROF seems to have more frames of animation then they had before. It really makes BOG look a lot cheaper by comparison.

Re-watch BOG trailer again and relive how awful CGI looks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUJhOdq_pVU



Also, let's not act like CGI has never been used before. It was used a lot in DBZ Movie 12. To greater effect then BOG, I'll give you that. Let's not pretend it's not something used back in the old days though and like it is automatically a bad thing.

[Bullza]

I really don't understand why you people want to know exactly how the movie plays out rather than just waiting a couple months to actually go see it and be surprised.

[MagicBox]

I hate having movies spoiled for me. Hate it, hate it, hate it. I will almost always go into "media blackout" mode for a week or two before seeing an upcoming movie.

Foreign films make that tricky. Going into "media blackout" mode for months isn't practical. With Dragon Ball, being spoiled is just something that I'm willing to accept.

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

For the record, I wasn't talking about the CGI (I don't see CGI of Gokû vs. Freeza).

The animation itself in the new commercial is just bad. Piccolo's Makankosappo is poorly drawn. It's just badly key animated.

[bleed0range]

For the record, I wasn't talking about the CGI (I don't see CGI of Gokû vs. Freeza).

The animation itself in the new commercial is just bad. Piccolo's Makankosappo is poorly drawn. It's just badly key animated.

It's not really "bad." It's just not as good as it should be given the franchise we're talking about here and the scale of the movie. I'd give anything to have the kind of animation quality (as in the quality of key frames of animation and detail) that we had in the movies of the 90s. Movie 12/13 look so good. Hell, even some scenes from the anime look better then these new movies... such as the SSJ2 Gohan Kamehameha at the end of the Cell arc.

As a cel collector, I noticed that cels from that episode tend to rarely have faded line art. It makes me wonder if they hand inked any of the lines on particular cels or anything to make the animation better and save it for posterity (like Disney). Or maybe people just take better care of them! haha. I have noticed though that movie cels and episodes like that seem to have greater care put into the art itself.

A lot of what I like about the old animation will be forever lost because we just aren't going to see cel-animated works anymore. I feel that there's a lifelessness to the colors of the characters now that wasn't present in the old animation. The paint of the cel photographed against the painted background made for a more seamless and "real" feeling. The new stuff looks digitally painted and it stands out over the backgrounds and looks less organic.

[Chuquita]

I really like 90's cell animation special effects. Been following Hulu's Sailor Moon reruns; so many cool effects you never see anymore because of digital.

Re: spoilers
I love spoilers. If anything they make me more excited to see it. If I read the spoiler I get to let it play out in my imagination before I see it. Think reading the book before seeing the movie based on it. Doing it the opposite I've found incredibly patience trying, however, because I already know what it looks like, so the book ends up just being more "here's the source material" when I go about it that way.

[Dayspring]

Congrats to Julian on getting in!

And am I the only one who likes the new trailer?

[bleed0range]

Congrats to Julian on getting in!

And am I the only one who likes the new trailer?

People are complaining about the animation, but I don't think anyone dislikes the actual content of the story or sequences. I actually thought it all looks pretty cool. I'm just hoping the movie isn't just Freeza shows up, each person randomly just throws some of their famous attacks at the soldiers and then Goku somehow wins.

I just felt it was wrongly assumed bad because of usage of CGI, when it's just a combination of less detailed and less impressive key frame animation mixed with the fact that today's digital animation just doesn't stack up. The thing that bothers me the most about modern DB animation is the aura effects when they power up. In cel animation this effect was achieved by using an actual air-brush and spraying the ki effect around the character or on a layer that lays over the character. This looked more natural and organic. Now it just "looks fake" to me. No matter what they do I'll never like the animation now as much as it was in the 90s... but if they had better key frame art it could look incredibly detailed. There are a few sequences where there is almost no detail at all... like when Piccolo falls to the ground. Which makes it look cheap. But, I mean, the art does look a little better then it did in BOG.

[JulieYBM]

There's a reason these films are coming out so quickly and being produced so quickly with relatively untalented staff. They're cheap to make. Common sense says you don't give guys like Hosoda and Yamamuro multi-million dollar films.

Whether they are cheap to make or not when compared to other anime movies is another thing but it would still definitley cost in the millions, there's no doubt about that in the slightest.

If these movies could be made for that cheap they wouldn't have stopped making the Bleach movies or the Hunter x Hunter movies or the Dragon Ball Z movies for 17 years.

Given these films are funded by multiple parties and produced to sell merchandise from those multiple parties, it makes sense. The franchises were fatigued so they took a break. There are other, new franchises that producers can move on to. A few hundred thousand dollars is a lot of money in an industry that is such a small pie, as such it is best to let franchises rest before bringing them back.

[Attitudefan]

An awesome swerve would be if Freeza won the battle and some time trickey or something somehow changed this outcome...

So you think Whis may play the role of antagonist in the near future?

YES!!!!!!!!!!

THAT'S WHAT I WAS MISSING IN THE SWERVE!!!

It's the whole WWF angle (Vince Russo, king of swerves) "Who's the higher power?" Can't be McMahon cause he is a good guy now fighting the crazy occult group led by his son and a deranged Undertaker... wait, SWERVE! "IT'S ME AUSTIN!!! IT WAS ME ALL ALONG!"



So it would be Whis' doing to mess with Goku, making sure he'd lose and play with warping time and space which would mess with the protagonists minds. That would be pretty cool.

[jjgp1112]

An awesome swerve would be if Freeza won the battle and some time trickey or something somehow changed this outcome...

So you think Whis may play the role of antagonist in the near future?

YES!!!!!!!!!!

THAT'S WHAT I WAS MISSING IN THE SWERVE!!!

It's the whole WWF angle (Vince Russo, king of swerves) "Who's the higher power?" Can't be McMahon cause he is a good guy now fighting the crazy occult group led by his son and a deranged Undertaker... wait, SWERVE! "IT'S ME AUSTIN!!! IT WAS ME ALL ALONG!"



So it would be Whis' doing to mess with Goku, making sure he'd lose and play with warping time and space which would mess with the protagonists minds. That would be pretty cool.

I don't think something regarded as one of the dumbest plot twists in the history of not only wrestling, but fiction in general is the best template to use for a storyline

[Herms]

The Bulma blog has updated with a post about the new trailer, plus some info on a karaoke tie-in...which is why there's a picture of Vegeta holding a microphone.

[sintzu]

That 30 second teaser showed just how little we know about this movie.

In terms of Beerus going to earth and getting ready to fight I think it's 1 of 2 things :

1- Vegeta ends up sparing Freeza which leads to Beerus killing him like he wanted.

2- The only thing we know about Freeza's training is that it was for 4 months so maybe he had someone train him and that someone showed himself after Goku lost or while Freeza was losing which lead to Beerus stepping in to even the odds for Vegeta.

[Attitudefan]

I don't think something regarded as one of the dumbest plot twists in the history of not only wrestling, but fiction in general is the best template to use for a storyline

Haha, fair enough, but it still was quite the swerve!

But you're right...

However, it is money! All those profits made from merch on such a swerve...