The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:03 pm

It's a little bit sooner but alright! Teams edition of match ups!

Great Apes Tora, Fasha, Borgos, Shugesh, Gine, and Raditz (all have full control and work together) VS Recoome, Burter, and Jeice (no tail-cutting/grabbing or wearing scouters)

Angila, Wings, and Medamatcha VS Amond, Cacao, and Daiz

Makyo Star enhanced Buffed forms Spice, Vinegar, Mustard, and Salt VS First Form Frieza

Ebifurya, Kishime and Misokatsun VS Nappa, Raditz, and Anime King Vegeta (TV Special Bardock and Guldo help out once Nappa and Raditz gets taken out)

Buffed forms Sansho, Ginger, and Nicky VS Mr. Popo, Cyborg Tao, and 23rd WMAT Yajirobe with sword


most recent former versus:
Full Power Nappa (no tail cutting/grabbing) VS Great Ape Gohan with full control of himself (at the level he was at, as a raging Great Ape, fighting a weakened Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga)

Arqua VS 3rd Form Frieza (they fight underwater, No Ki attacks or surfacing from the water)

Future Imperfect Cell (Post-absorptions) VS SSJ Future Gohan (when he had two arms. Can use only up to Kaioken x10 comfortably with SSJ)

Papoi VS Kibito (no magic materialization/paralysis)



versus of the former pages:
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Super SaiyaJon » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:24 pm

Angelus wrote:It's a little bit sooner but alright! Teams edition of match ups!

Great Apes Tora, Selypa, Borgos, Shugesh, Gine, and Raditz (all have full control and work together) VS Recoome, Burter, and Jeice (no tail-cutting/grabbing or wearing scouters)

Mayo star enhanced Buffed forms of Spice, Vinegar, and Mustard, and Salt vs First Form Freeza

Buffed forms Sansho, Ginger, and Nicky VS Mr. Popo, Cyborg Tao, and 23rd WMAT Yajirobe with sword
-The Ginyu Bunch stomps. The highest power ape is 15000, which is about Namek Krillin (Unlocked Potential) level. And we know how well Krillin did against the Ginyus. The group can handle 6 giant Krillins.

-Freeza makes lovely fireworks out of the poor seasonings.

-The spice rack cleans house.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by ZazamPow » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:33 am

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dbzfan7 wrote:Goku's love of food vs Goku's love of fighting
You trying to kill everyone's brain cells?

That's like asking who he loves more between Gohan, Chi-Chi, and Goten or Kuririn. It'll make the poor man's head hurt.
As in, it takes Gohan, Chi-Chi, and Goten all at once just to equal Krillin? lol
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:37 am

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DBZAOTA482 wrote:
dbzfan7 wrote:Goku's love of food vs Goku's love of fighting
You trying to kill everyone's brain cells?

That's like asking who he loves more between Gohan, Chi-Chi, and Goten or Kuririn. It'll make the poor man's head hurt.
As in, it takes Gohan, Chi-Chi, and Goten all at once just to equal Krillin? lol
No... not at all! I just mean which means more to him, his family or his best friend? Maybe ask him whom he loves the most out of the four.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by fadeddreams5 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:39 am

He loves Krillin the most.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:28 am

Angelus wrote:It's a little bit sooner but alright! Teams edition of match ups!

Great Apes Tora, Selypa, Borgos, Shugesh, Gine, and Raditz (all have full control and work together) VS Recoome, Burter, and Jeice (no tail-cutting/grabbing or wearing scouters)

Angila, Wings, and Medamatcha VS Amond, Cacao, and Daiz

Makyo Star enhanced Buffed forms Spice, Vinegar, Mustard, and Salt VS First Form Freeza

Ebifurya, Kishime and Misokatsun VS Nappa, Raditz, and Anime King Vegeta

Buffed forms Sansho, Ginger, and Nicky VS Mr. Popo, Cyborg Tao, and 23rd WMAT Yajirobe with sword
- Recoome, Burter, and Jeice dominated the great apes
- Amond, Cacao, and Daiz win
- First Form Freeza wrecks all of the Spice Boys
- Ebifurya, Kishime and Misokatsun go thrown Nappa and Raditz with ease. And then eventually take down King Vegeta
- Sansho, Ginger, and Nicky win with ease

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:56 am

Aha! Well, then, let's have someone back up the King. Edited one match. XD
Super SaiyaJon wrote:The Ginyu Bunch stomps. The highest power ape is 15000, which is about Namek Krillin (Unlocked Potential) level. And we know how well Krillin did against the Ginyus. The group can handle 6 giant Krillins.
But.. Raditz won't be the most powerful ape in the group. XD

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Super SaiyaJon » Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:08 am

Angelus wrote:
Super SaiyaJon wrote:The Ginyu Bunch stomps. The highest power ape is 15000, which is about Namek Krillin (Unlocked Potential) level. And we know how well Krillin did against the Ginyus. The group can handle 6 giant Krillins.
But.. Raditz won't be the most powerful ape in the group. XD
Oh? I guess I've underestimated the crew. However, even if they were as strong as 40.000 (Great Ape Nappa) I'd still say the Ginyu Group wins.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Sandubadear » Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:13 pm

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Dayspring » Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:43 pm

Angelus wrote:Aha! Well, then, let's have someone back up the King. Edited one match. XD
Super SaiyaJon wrote:The Ginyu Bunch stomps. The highest power ape is 15000, which is about Namek Krillin (Unlocked Potential) level. And we know how well Krillin did against the Ginyus. The group can handle 6 giant Krillins.
But.. Raditz won't be the most powerful ape in the group. XD
True, but nobody would be higher than 15,000. Raditz has a BP of 1,200 (equal to a Saibaman with that BP, remember?). The average low-level Saiyans have BPs from 1,200 to 1,500. Besides Bardock, the rest of his group are average low-level Saiyans. Toma is the strongest after Bardock, but that still puts him at 1,500 at most, so 15,000 in Oozaru form.
Super SaiyaJon wrote: Oh? I guess I've underestimated the crew. However, even if they were as strong as 40.000 (Great Ape Nappa) I'd still say the Ginyu Group wins.


I wouldn't say that strength is still enough to lose considering how much damage Vegeta's 30,000 did Recoom and how Goku's 60,000 stomped them with ease. In fact, I'd put them in the 35,000 to 40,000 range. I also don't think Nappa's BP was 4,000. I know the Daizenshuu says it is, but that doesn't make sense for what we see in the manga (5,000 being weaker than him, "over 8,000" not being an unbeatable opponent).
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Super SaiyaJon » Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:50 pm

Oh boy, I've got a doozy.

A team consisting of every playable fighter in the Smash Bros series runs this gauntlet:

vs Mercenary Tao
vs Piccolo Diamo
vs Piccolo Jr
vs Raditz
vs Nappa
vs Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
vs Great Ape Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)

EDIT: Extended the gauntlet
vs Ginyu
vs 1st Form Freeza
vs 1% Final Form Freeza
vs 50% Final Form Freeza
vs 100% Final Form Freeza


Only one of each fighter. All fighters are present on the battlefield at all times. No items (unless spawning an item is part of a moveset, like Peach). How far do the Smashers get?

(Keep the Subspace Emissary in mind when scaling. I guess you should also consider feats from the fighters' respective games.)
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:57 pm

Super SaiyaJon wrote:Oh boy, I've got a doozy.

A team consisting of every playable fighter in the Smash Bros series runs this gauntlet:

vs Mercenary Tao
vs Piccolo Diamo
vs Piccolo Jr
vs Raditz
vs Nappa
vs Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
vs Great Ape Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)

Only one of each fighter. All fighters are present on the battlefield at all times. No items (unless spawning an item is part of a moveset, like Peach). How far do the Smashers get?

(Keep the Subspace Emissary in mind when scaling. I guess you should also consider feats from the fighters' respective games.)
Sonic makes them all go Boom.

Edit: Oh, and Mewtwo takes this solo too.
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Post by Super SaiyaJon » Wed Mar 25, 2015 3:11 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote: Sonic makes them all go Boom.

Edit: Oh, and Mewtwo takes this solo too.
Interesting. I agree with you that MewTwo would be pretty strong (sort of forgot about him), but why Sonic? He's not particularly strong. And by the rules (no items), he can't go Super Sonic. Is his speed that overwhelming, or am I just missing something?

On that topic, may as well put these out there:
Who is the strongest person Sonic (Game Continuity) could defeat?
Who is the strongest person MewTwo (Game Continuity) could defeat?
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Mar 25, 2015 3:17 pm

Sandubadear wrote:Ajimu Najimi vs. Whirus and Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta
Ajimu is taken down by a rubber band from Whirus. 8)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Pantalones » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:17 pm

A team consisting of every playable fighter in the Smash Bros series runs this gauntlet:

vs Mercenary Tao
vs Piccolo Diamo
vs Piccolo Jr
vs Raditz
vs Nappa
vs Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
vs Great Ape Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
As in... the actual Smash Bros. versions of the characters, where they're just plastic toys that come to life and fight and they're all pretty much even in power (because otherwise someone playing as a Jigglypuff or a Pikachu or a no-name Animal Crossing villager would never be able to win a fight?) Tao stomps every last one of them with little to no effort.

Now if you're going by "the characters represented by animated plastic toys in Smash Bros., not the actual animated plastic toys" it's probably a bit different. I'm not 100% familiar with all of the characters, so I'm not sure how some match up (some of the new ones from the 3DS/WiiU version in particular), but I'll try to compare the ones I do know of to that list.

A lot of them still get crushed effortlessly by Tao (all non-Mewtwo Pokémon, Olimar, the Star Fox crew, Samus without her power suit, Captain Falcon, Link, Zelda, Little Mac, Solid Snake, all or at least most of the Fire Emblem characters--some of them seem a little superhuman, but I don't know if I'd put them high enough to take on Tao--and of course all the random ordinary-human-level non-fighter guys like the Animal Crossing villager and Wii Fit trainer), but some could actually put up a good fight against Tao or even actually beat him. Mario and Luigi are capable of surviving a cannonball to the face or being caught in "standard human weapons grade" explosions, so unless Tao's grenade that sent him to the "replace stuff with robot parts" hospital was something beyond that level, pretty much any of the Mario characters should be able to beat him. Samus might be able to beat him too, if she can manage to hit him--Samus is not fast, while Tao is very fast. So even if her Super Missiles and such might be able to do some serious damage to him, actually hitting him with one from long range would be hard... and getting close enough to him that he won't be able to dodge a missile easily would be very dangerous for her. Mega Man is in a pretty similar situation--some of his weapons might be able to hurt Tao, but he's not fast at all so Tao might just wipe him out before he has a chance to hit him with anything. Ganondorf is kind of a tricky one... too slow to even touch Tao, probably too weak to really hurt Tao, but the Triforce of Power makes him very difficult to actually kill so Tao would have to do something on a higher level than his "tongue-stab" to get rid of him... even a Dodonpa clear through the chest (like what he tried to do to Goku) might not finish him off, as he's been shown to survive a sword through the chest thanks to the Triforce. I figure Tao would eventually just get annoyed by Ganondorf's refusal to die in a single blow, then smash all of his bones and just leave him lying there unable to move for a while, counting that as a win as he walks off to do something else.

The vast majority of those who manage to beat Tao aren't going to be able to do anything against Daimao, though.

Kirby is decently powerful, but he doesn't really have much fighting capability without absorbing someone else's powers first, so things are a little trickier for him. His only hope of actually beating any of these guys without help is inhaling a ki blast and spitting it back at them (or swallowing it to gain ki-blasting powers of his own with which to fight back with), and he probably wouldn't be able to inhale anything more powerful than Tao's Dodonpa without Hypernova (and even with Hypernova, inhaling a blast from somebody on either Piccolo's level is going to involve a struggle; the blast might just overwhelm him before he can muster up enough power to fully inhale it.) Assuming he can use Hypernova to inhale a blast from Daimao or Jr., he could probably beat them by firing their own blast back at them (swallowing it to gain the ability to fire ki blasts won't cut it here; in terms of raw power he just doesn't compare to the Piccolos, and when Kirby takes on a copied power it doesn't scale to the level of strength that the power came from--his Fire ability is just as strong coming from a random minion enemy as it is from a mini-boss level enemy, for example--so using their strength against them directly is the only chance), but he still loses to Raditz. If you give him the Star Rod he probably beats everyone up to Piccolo Jr. without too much trouble, though, considering that he managed to accidentally blow a hole in the moon in the process of destroying the Nightmare in Kirby's Adventure. Which implies that, with the Star Rod, he's capable of destructive power similar to beginning-of-Z characters (who can destroy the moon with an ordinary blast) rather than Dragonball era characters (who need a full-power, long distance, extremely focused blast like the Kamehameha to destroy the moon.) I still don't see Star Rod Kirby beating Raditz, though he might at least put up a little bit of a fight... the same Piccolo who could effortlessly destroy the moon with a single blast got the crap kicked out of him by Raditz and needed a lot of help from Goku and a far more powerful attack to kill him, after all, so Kirby's not winning that fight on his own. Assuming that outside help (such as the fruit that enables Hypernova, or the Star Rod) is not allowed, Kirby can't get past Daimao.

King Dedede and Meta Knight can probably beat Tao (since they're usually depicted as being above the level of "base" Kirby and, unlike Kirby, can fight pretty effectively without relying on using their opponents' powers against them), but their inability to throw an opponent's attacks back at them turns into a huge disadvantage once they get to Daimao and I don't see either of them getting past him.

Mewtwo is among the strongest of the ones I am familiar with (Star Rod Kirby aside)... but his destructive capabilities top out around "blow up a building" level, maybe a small city at best. Like all legendary Pokémon, he just doesn't live up to the hype unless you're only comparing him to other Pokémon. Considering that his abilities are mostly telekinetic in nature with a few energy-blast style moves mixed in (contrary to popular belief, there is no "mind rape" ability in Mewtwo's arsenal--almost all psychic-type Pokémon attacks are explicitly telekinetic, with only a rare few exceptions), he's basically Chiaotzu but with a body and mindset better suited for fighting. He's probably weaker than Daimao, but even if he beats Daimao he's not getting past Piccolo Jr. (and if somehow he miraculously manages to win against both Piccolos--he might pull it off if he's allowed to use one of the Mega forms, since game-stats-wise they're a pretty solid boost in power--Raditz still flattens him with both hands, both legs, and his tail tied behind his back. Yes, Raditz beats Mewtwo with a hair-slap attack or some kind of awkward flying headbutt... or a mouth blast, assuming he can use those.) Assuming Mewtwo can't use a Mega Stone to access either of the Mega forms, he doesn't make it past Piccolo Jr.

Ness is also way up there, probably above Mewtwo actually (though maybe not above the Mega Mewtwo forms); he might be able to beat Daimao considering that in his game he's capable of surviving an "Atomic Power Robot" self-destructing, and Daimao's blast was compared to a small nuke, but he'd most likely lose against Jr. too (and definitely wouldn't win against Raditz.)

I'm not 100% sure how powerful Sonic is, but I would have to guess that he's not really all that special if you don't count his Super Sonic form (speed aside... and even his speed isn't anything spectacular in Dragonball terms, considering that he's only supposed to be around or slightly above the speed of sound, which I'm pretty sure Tao's pillar-chucking flight is far beyond.) And he's not able to use the Super Sonic form "at will" like a Super Saiyan transformation or anything, so it's probably safe to not count that in normal circumstances--he doesn't randomly lug a full set of Chaos Emeralds around with him everywhere he goes, after all. He maybe has a chance against Tao, but considering that his strongest point is speed and Tao seems to beyond him even in that area, that's a pretty big "maybe." I'm guessing he'd do a lot better as Super Sonic, but again, I'm not 100% sure how powerful he's supposed to be in that form (from what I've heard it seems like they're pretty inconsistent about Super Sonic's power from one game to the next, sometimes inflating things to absurd levels and other times... not so much) so it's hard to say just how far he'd go.

Unless Super Sonic is at least powerful enough to beat everyone up through Raditz (considering that it's a pretty obvious Super Saiyan knockoff, it's entirely possible they made the power boost on it huge to match, so I can see that as a possibility), it's looking like Raditz is the "brick wall" that everyone crashes up against here, even if they manage to make it out of original Dragonball and cross over into the Z era.

Now, all of them fighting as a team against Tao, then Daimao, then Jr. and so on? They get past Daimao for sure considering that there's at least a few of them who have a chance against him to begin with, but I still don't think they can accomplish much against Raditz. If Sonic's allowed to use the Super Sonic form, he might be the only one who makes it past Raditz, and then it's no longer a "Smash Bros. team vs. these guys" thing so much as a "Super Sonic vs. these guys" thing.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:24 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Super SaiyaJon wrote:Oh boy, I've got a doozy.

A team consisting of every playable fighter in the Smash Bros series runs this gauntlet:

vs Mercenary Tao
vs Piccolo Diamo
vs Piccolo Jr
vs Raditz
vs Nappa
vs Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
vs Great Ape Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)

Only one of each fighter. All fighters are present on the battlefield at all times. No items (unless spawning an item is part of a moveset, like Peach). How far do the Smashers get?

(Keep the Subspace Emissary in mind when scaling. I guess you should also consider feats from the fighters' respective games.)
Sonic makes them all go Boom.

Edit: Oh, and Mewtwo takes this solo too.
Really? I follow Sonic and if he's not allowed Super, I can't see him plowing through everyone. As Base Sonic I can see him maybe getting up to Nappa tops as he could beat Perfect Chaos without enhancements. I can't see him beating Saiyan Saga Vegeta. With Super Sonic he'd plow through the Saiyan Saga though.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:43 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
Super SaiyaJon wrote:Oh boy, I've got a doozy.

A team consisting of every playable fighter in the Smash Bros series runs this gauntlet:

vs Mercenary Tao
vs Piccolo Diamo
vs Piccolo Jr
vs Raditz
vs Nappa
vs Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)
vs Great Ape Vegeta (Saiyan Arc)

Only one of each fighter. All fighters are present on the battlefield at all times. No items (unless spawning an item is part of a moveset, like Peach). How far do the Smashers get?

(Keep the Subspace Emissary in mind when scaling. I guess you should also consider feats from the fighters' respective games.)
Sonic makes them all go Boom.

Edit: Oh, and Mewtwo takes this solo too.
Really? I follow Sonic and if he's not allowed Super, I can't see him plowing through everyone. As Base Sonic I can see him maybe getting up to Nappa tops as he could beat Perfect Chaos without enhancements. I can't see him beating Saiyan Saga Vegeta. With Super Sonic he'd plow through the Saiyan Saga though.
I was including Comic Sonic and Anime Mewtwo.

Comic Sonic is busted. Mighty Ozaru used to post about him all the time, so if you're interested look up one of his old posts. Anime Mewtwo is capable of mind control and mass memory erasing, so he takes of the guys here, as nobody's shown any kind of special resistance to mind control.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dbzfan7 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:59 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Comic Sonic is busted. Mighty Ozaru used to post about him all the time, so if you're interested look up one of his old posts. Anime Mewtwo is capable of mind control and mass memory erasing, so he takes of the guys here, as nobody's shown any kind of special resistance to mind control.
He's really not all that...or at least isn't anymore. A lot of those showings are cherry picked out of context or some special. For example in the comics, Super Sonic couldn't beat Perfect Chaos as Super Sonic. Knuckles had to get him electrocuted. Though really you could consider that like Pre-Crisis Superman stuff I suppose as there was a reboot a while back, and Sonic hasn't done anything that insane. Mega Man proves to be a good match for Sonic, and Sonic has a real tough time fighting Bass and Treble which is canon to the universe. Not to say some stuff such as Mogul wasn't ridiculously powerful. Hell even chaos force is no longer a thing according to flynn. However most of that stuff is pretty much tossed out ala Sonic's "New 52". Especially since if you take a lot of that stuff out of context, then the stories would suck since a somehow MFTL being or Universe whatever can still be stopped by a fat man in a mech, which did happen. Pretty sure game feats and more importantly smash feats were what the question was about anyways. None of which are that impressive sans Super.

With Mewtwo we have someone who I'm not so sure about. He's actually very fast and could keep up with some people, but his psychic and mind control is tougher to figure out. By Dragon Ball logic someone really strong can overcome a psychic grip. Mind control though is all over the place. Could Mewtwo mind control other legendary pokemon? Demigra was the last mind controller, but he's obscenely powerful already rather than someone weaker controlling people who are stronger.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:09 pm

dbzfan7 wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote: With Mewtwo we have someone who I'm not so sure about. He's actually very fast and could keep up with some people, but his psychic and mind control is tougher to figure out. By Dragon Ball logic someone really strong can overcome a psychic grip. Mind control though is all over the place. Could Mewtwo mind control other legendary pokemon? Demigra was the last mind controller, but he's obscenely powerful already rather than someone weaker controlling people who are stronger.
I don't know enough about Sonic, so go with your gut there.

I mean, I'd place Mewtwo as definitely being more powerful than Babidi, and Babidi was capable of controlling Dabura. Mewtwo can also wipe memories, so nothing's keeping him from just leaving his opponent a blank slate. The only other legendary that I know of who ever fought Mewtwo was Mew, and their fight consisted of just attacking each other, possibly because their mental assaults wouldn't have worked on each other, being relatively equal.

A while back, I made a post comparing the EU Jedi to the DB fighters. The DB fighters have tons more destructive power, but the Jedi skillset renders all of that power useless against a guy who can make you think you're a 2 year old girl with a thought. Mewtwo's in the same boat. Dragon Ball is just not equipped to deal with psychics.
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