What is the lamest thing to come out of modern DBZ?

[Big Momma]

Can't take it seriously at all, unless it wasn't meant to be.

Like most of the series, it wasn't.

Broly (his first two films) was good ole DBZ action.

Broly first two movies had more comedy than Battle of Gods. Also they were FUNNIER than BoG.

Won't speak to which one is funnier, but I definitely wouldn't say either of the first two Broly movies had more comedic elements than BoG. Maybe together. But, then again, they're both significantly shorter. I will say that, at their most serious/intense moments, they were moreso than BoG.



I guess while we're on the topic I'll say that I actually do enjoy the 3 Broly films. I've watched them all at least a couple times. They definitely aren't my favorites, but they're fun to put on if I need something on the TV while I draw/study/work.

[Hellspawn28]

I might as well say Goten sucks because he is like a fusion of Pilaf and Garlic Junior, because he is short and adds nothing to the plot.

I guess I know what post can be nominated for "best post of 2015 on Kanzenshuu" so far.

[Kamiccolo9]

I said ancient being whom is sealed away or sleep. Beerus is more of a Majin Boo fusion with Broly. Hardly unique in my opinion.

But he's nothing like Buu or Broly. He doesn't destroy for the sake of destroying. He'll blow up your planet if you get him mad, but while he's awake, that's just his job. O_o

Personality-wise, there's not a single "villain" like him in the series.

I don't really like BoG either. But I think Beerus and Whis are great additions to the roster.

That's because he's a breakdancing Galactus. Nothing else like it.

[Dyno]

but they're fun to put on if I need something on the TV while I draw/study/work.

Can you actually do those things while hearing a thing screaming without stop? How'd you do this?

[TheGmGoken]

I said ancient being whom is sealed away or sleep. Beerus is more of a Majin Boo fusion with Broly. Hardly unique in my opinion.

You say that, but you never explain what's wrong with Beerus.

The only similarities between Buu and Beerus are that they are both strong ancient beings who occasionally sleep. The only similarity between Beerus and Broly is that they are strong and tall.

I might as well say Goten sucks because he is like a fusion of Pilaf and Garlic Junior, because he is short and adds nothing to the plot.

I explained what's wrong with Beerus multiple times. Guess I wasn't feeling it today. But here's (in spoiler) everything that's bad about Beerus.

Spoiler:

Please note. This is MY OPINION. I expect people to disagree. As promised I'll post this in Friday. Let's not be hostile. Now lemme explain my hate for BoG. As most we know I hate this movie. Let's discuss this.

The over dramatic hype trailer. I don't know if its because the plot changed due to Toriyama but the trailer was so amazing. Showed lots of action. Cool epic background music. Not the movie Talk about false advertisement. I have no issue with the movie being light hearted. My issue was if you promote intense scenes then make it good. Especially since the action in the movie was horrible. The trailer set a expectation a bit high.

Now let's go to the next thing. The music. Besides the Hero bgm the most was dull and I didn't even notice it was there. Sounds like video game music. I enjoy the new artist Dbz Kai work but here was boring. Just pityful.

The characters. By characters I mean Goku, Beerus, Vegeta, and Whis. Everyone else was irrelevant. Goku the same a***** from Boo arc. I understand he wanted too see how to beat Beerus but what if Beerus killed somebody? Guess Namek still have some use. Goku should had wore the Blue GI but I understand why they chose the iconic Orange. I'm one of the few who liked Vegeta in this. Shows his growth and I love gag Vegeta. Beerus. What can I say about that moron. As said before he's a Majin Boo and Broly in one. That cat spent half the movie shouting SSJ GOD!!!!! He acts like Boo in the way he's fun and playful but gets mad quick. And once he mad he's pissed. He acts just like Boo. Let's not forget another Broly similarity. Get mad over stupid s***. Pudding eaten and Beerus makes a waste of a Dbz movie. Kakarot cries. Broly gets 3 movies. Remarkable. Next bad guy going be some angry space Lion pissed because a bird pooped on him. Beerus was a fail. He ain't special at all. Just a boring guy. Whis needs more explaining to do. Before I speak of him.

Animation. Only issue was the colours. Goku(ssj3) vs Beers was hard to look at. Only because Goku hair and GI was mixing with background. Other than that. Nothing wrong.

Action. The action.... Damn this movie failed at action. I prefer Db action over Z. But damn this failed at being in between. Only good fight was Ssj Goku vs Beerus. The others were either to basic or random. My Bulllma!!!!!!!!!!!. Z fighters vs Beerus was a power scale mess. The attacks Beerus used a was cool no lie but once Gohan enter it was down hill. Even filler fights were better. I shook my head in disssponitment. The good super hype Goku vs Beerus after wasting the whole movie on SSG and partying. Goku vs Beers was so poor. The combat was like Goku vs Bruce Lee(filler?). It was boring action that made jobber WWE matches look like good karate movies. The dialog was cliché and weak. Once Hero played it was epic. Instant Trio Kamehamha!!!!

Plot. Basically same as Gt. Good ideas but badly done. SsG was dissspoiting. The God Of Destruction was horrible. Everything sounded so good yet was utter s***. I rewatch this 4 times. Horrible each time. The 4th time I was being open minded.

Design:
Beers temple looks pretty great. Amazing. Whis looks like a Kai which could mean he came from the apple tree thingy. Beerus looks like a Yugioh card. Makes me want to play the new Yugioh game. The support cast looked like teenagers. Yamcha, Ten, Krillin, and Videl. All look like they can star in an anime high school slice of life storyline. Goten and Trunks look way to young. They look shorter as well. If they're 9-14 at BoG then they look 4. Even Saiyan arc Gohan looked older. Videl hair looks amazing though.

Overall rating:
4/10.

Let's see where I get this idea that Beerus is Boo+Broly.

- Ancient Beings thats been asleep
- Casually destroy things (though Beerus with a purpose)
- Get angry over stupid things
- Mood Swings
- Similar attire
- Feared by the higher up Kai's
- Same personality. Except Beerus is smart.

- Yelling SUPA SAIAYAJIN GOD! vs KAKAROT!!!!
- Similar attire
- Needs to be controlled

Both Pilfar and Goten added to the plot. Garlic wasn't in the original manga nor can we infer he's in Toriyama thoughts thus no fusion. Pilfar got the gang united, restored Piccolo, and made GT. Goten provided cool interactions with Gohan, Fusion with Trunks, added character development to Chi Chi, and gave Trunks a sidekick.

Personality-wise, there's not a single "villain" like him in the series.

I don't really like BoG either. But I think Beerus and Whis are great additions to the roster.

Majin Boo. Whis is a good character. Not Beerus.

Broly movies had more comedic elements than BoG. Maybe together. But, then again, they're both significantly shorter. I will say that, at their most serious/intense moments, they were moreso than BoG.

BoG was comedic toned no doubt. But as far as more comedy Broly's first movie was kinda full of it for the first half. Then the second half had Roshi along side the ending. The second movie first half was Goten, Videl, and Trunks. Full of funny moments. Goten and Trunks vs Broly was a serious gag fight. Then once again Krillin had a gag and the ending was gag.

[TripleRach]

"broooooooly, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god! (etc)

This is an incomprehensible mess, and from what I can tell, you're insulting people in the process. I highly suggest re-reading rules 3 and 4 if you want to continue being a member of this community.

[Dyno]

Impersonating people is insulting, calling other "fanboys" isn't? Neat.

[Kamiccolo9]

And you still didn't actually explain anything. An opinion doesn't mean anything unless you can back it up. You are pointing out superficial aspects of characters, and then equating characters that share similar aspects.

Again, using the logic that you're putting out, I could say that Freeza is the exact same as Bojack because they are really strong guys from space that Kaio is afraid of. I could say that Goku and Wolverine are basically the same character because they both like to fight, are short, and have dark hair. I could say that Whis and the Joker are similar because they both have pale skin, a sense of humor, and smile a lot.

Do you see the problem here? You keep bringing up Beerus's personality, but you're not actually saying anything about it.

He acts like Boo in the way he's fun and playful but gets mad quick. And once he mad he's pissed. He acts just like Boo. Let's not forget another Broly similarity. Get mad over stupid s***. Pudding eaten and Beerus makes a waste of a Dbz movie. Kakarot cries. Broly gets 3 movies. Remarkable. Next bad guy going be some angry space Lion pissed because a bird pooped on him. Beerus was a fail. He ain't special at all. Just a boring guy.

Only one sentence in all of that says a thing about the guy's personality, and it's a one-line summation of a couple of his character traits.
I could sum up Goku as "a guy who likes to eat and fight."
Piccolo "former bad guy who's now a good guy."
Bardock "A brilliant scientist."
Vegeta "A dick."

See? That's the kind of superficial reasoning you're giving. The whole rest of that quote tells us actually nothing about why you think what you do.

So yeah, your explanations for why you don't like Beerus aren't explanations at all. You don't have to explain your opinions, but when you do, be sure that their backed up if you want people to take them seriously.

[Rocketman]

I'm serious. Is there anything you actually do enjoy about the franchise anymore? If so, why not try talking about it for a change. If not, why even bother to still be here. At all. It boggles the mind.

Serious answer: I like the original comic. I like the grinding, oppressive apocalyptic atmosphere of the Piccolo-Cell arcs (which continues into Buu more than people like to admit). I like the ensemble cast of those arcs. I like playing with what-if and AU scenarios, too.


But yeah, sometimes I wonder that myself. I seem to enjoy an entirely different side of DB than 1. the vast majority of the people here like and 2. anybody involved in making new stuff wants to do.

[TheGmGoken]

Again, using the logic that you're putting out, I could say that Freeza is the exact same as Bojack because they are really strong guys from space that Kaio is afraid of. I could say that Goku and Wolverine are basically the same character because they both like to fight, are short, and have dark hair. I could say that Whis and the Joker are similar because they both have pale skin, a sense of humor, and smile a lot.

Well most movie characters are rip off from the mainstream characters so I wouldn't be shocked if they were the same characters. For all we know Bojack could have an empire and sell planets. Not shocked at all. Cooler stole twice from Freeza. Very well possible that Bojack too could be Freeza. More so of a Cell to me. But if you see him as Freeza then I can't blame you. Wolverine doesn't have Goku's child like aura or naive. I'll say Wolverine is more of a Vegeta. Especially if you're talking about short people. Whis doesn't do dark humor like Joker. Whis isn't evil. Most importantly Whis is more calm than Joker. Peace of mind Whis have.

Do you see the problem here? You keep bringing up Beerus's personality, but you're not actually saying anything about it.

Beerus - A goofy cat with anger issue that loves to sleep. His job is to keep order by blowing planets up. He casually does this. Almost blew up Earth over pudding
That's his personality. Nothing more to it.

Boo - A goofy candy with anger issue that loves sweets. He loves to destroy. He casually does this. Lost his shit over no more candy.

Goku as "a guy who likes to eat and fight."
Piccolo "former bad guy who's now a good guy."
Bardock "A brilliant scientist."
Vegeta "A dick."

That's Goku in a nutshell every since Boo Arc.
That's Piccolo. But now he's a baby sitter for Goku's descendants.
Bardock... what?
Vegeta. He is a dick but now he's a family man dick.

So yeah, your explanations for why you don't like Beerus aren't explanations at all. You don't have to explain your opinions, but when you do, be sure that their backed up if you want people to take them seriously.

Yes they do. He's nothing we haven't seem before and is boring. Probably the most boring Toriyama villain ever.

Rarely do I see people give well thought out praise for anything. Only when negative you have to fully explain yourself. If I liked BoG. It would be something like "Yeah! BoG so epic! Amazing movie!" and everyone would agree. Be negative and you get "Your opinion explanation isn't good enough.".

[Gyt Kaliba]

Serious answer: I like the original comic. I like the grinding, oppressive apocalyptic atmosphere of the Piccolo-Cell arcs (which continues into Buu more than people like to admit). I like the ensemble cast of those arcs. I like playing with what-if and AU scenarios, too.

Thank you. I appreciate finally getting some kind of serious answer on the matter. That said though - why do you feel the need to do the constant hate posts instead of, I dunno, trying to spark up some kind of discussion about the stuff you do like. That's what I can't understand. If I don't really enjoy something, or an element of it, I make my initial comment on it, and maybe as time goes on I comment more on it, but I don't feel the need to constantly and continually beat it into submission. But maybe that's just me.

[fadeddreams5]

This topic is going to blow up when FnF is released. lol.

[Kamiccolo9]

Your first paragraph completely misses the point, and is irrelevant to this discussion.

Of course there's more to it. You are totally missing the relationship that he develops with Goku during their fight, how he goes from being an antagonist to, in Piccolo's words "training Goku." About how he goes from wanting to destroy the Earth to be willing to spare it out of respect garnered from his fight.

You are giving one line summations of character traits, not actually saying anything about how the character is portrayed or how he develops.

Your third paragraph completely misses the point, and is irrelevant to this discussion.

How is Beerus something we've already seen before? You seem to be the only person who has this opinion, so yes, I'd like you to elaborate on it. A person who speaks out against the majority is held to a higher standard to explain their viewpoint. It sucks, and it's probably not fair, but that's how it is. I personally try to back up my statements regardless, but I can't speak for everyone else.

I will say that if you are not willing to explain your viewpoint, then you shouldn't bother posting at all. A page full of "He's boring" and "No he's not!" contributes absolutely nothing and reflects badly on the community as a whole.

And for what it's worth, playing the victim by complaining that negative opinions require more explanation does nothing to help your point.

[TheGmGoken]

Your first paragraph completely misses the point, and is irrelevant to this discussion.

Of course there's more to it. You are totally missing the relationship that he develops with Goku during their fight, how he goes from being an antagonist to, in Piccolo's words "training Goku." About how he goes from wanting to destroy the Earth to be willing to spare it out of respect garnered from his fight.

You are giving one line summations of character traits, not actually saying anything about how the character is portrayed or how he develops.

Your third paragraph completely misses the point, and is irrelevant to this discussion.

How is Beerus something we've already seen before? You seem to be the only person who has this opinion, so yes, I'd like you to elaborate on it. A person who speaks out against the majority is held to a higher standard to explain their viewpoint. It sucks, and it's probably not fair, but that's how it is. I personally try to back up my statements regardless, but I can't speak for everyone else.

I will say that if you are not willing to explain your viewpoint, then you shouldn't bother posting at all. A page full of "He's boring" and "No he's not!" contributes absolutely nothing and reflects badly on the community as a whole.

And for what it's worth, playing the victim by complaining that negative opinions require more explanation does nothing to help your point.

You do know that post is a year old right? It's a C/P of something from last June. I myself don't even remember what it said. I just search "Battle of Gods TheGMGoken" on Google and this post from Dbzf.UK came up.

This isn't the first time a respect relationship developed during a fight. Goku vs Ten and Ten vs Roshi was done better Imo. Roshi giving Ten a life lesson and Goku earning Ten's respect the more they fought. We kinda seen this with Kami vs Yamcha too. Beerus personality is still a goofy cat with anger issues. He likes a good fight. He wants to be entertained while fighting. Which is almost everyone in the series.Beerus is a one sentence personality. He's a simple little purple cat.

How is Beerus NOT new? He's a goofy gag characters. Been there done that. He's an ancient being feared across not only the universe (if you met him) but in other world too. Been there done that. He's the strongest guy I've ever fought. Been there done that. He has a guide who transport him everywhere. Been there done that. Anger issues. Been there done that. Like damn. So much repeat. Hurt worse to my eye because I watched the entire series before BoG. I explained my viewpoint. You didnt think it was good enough.


I'm not playing victim. I'm saying instead of everyone being shocked that someone doesn't like Beerus. How about they explain why they enjoy Beerus.

[Kamiccolo9]

Your first paragraph completely misses the point, and is irrelevant to this discussion.

Of course there's more to it. You are totally missing the relationship that he develops with Goku during their fight, how he goes from being an antagonist to, in Piccolo's words "training Goku." About how he goes from wanting to destroy the Earth to be willing to spare it out of respect garnered from his fight.

You are giving one line summations of character traits, not actually saying anything about how the character is portrayed or how he develops.

Your third paragraph completely misses the point, and is irrelevant to this discussion.

How is Beerus something we've already seen before? You seem to be the only person who has this opinion, so yes, I'd like you to elaborate on it. A person who speaks out against the majority is held to a higher standard to explain their viewpoint. It sucks, and it's probably not fair, but that's how it is. I personally try to back up my statements regardless, but I can't speak for everyone else.

I will say that if you are not willing to explain your viewpoint, then you shouldn't bother posting at all. A page full of "He's boring" and "No he's not!" contributes absolutely nothing and reflects badly on the community as a whole.

And for what it's worth, playing the victim by complaining that negative opinions require more explanation does nothing to help your point.

You do know that post is a year old right? It's a C/P of something from last June. I myself don't even remember what it said. I just search "Battle of Gods TheGMGoken" on Google and this post from Dbzf.UK came up.

This isn't the first time a respect relationship developed during a fight. Goku vs Ten and Ten vs Roshi was done better Imo. Roshi giving Ten a life lesson and Goku earning Ten's respect the more they fought. We kinda seen this with Kami vs Yamcha too. Beerus personality is still a goofy cat with anger issues. He likes a good fight. He wants to be entertained while fighting. Which is almost everyone in the series.Beerus is a one sentence personality. He's a simple little purple cat.

How is Beerus NOT new? He's a goofy gag characters. Been there done that. He's an ancient being feared across not only the universe (if you met him) but in other world too. Been there done that. He's the strongest guy I've ever fought. Been there done that. He has a guide who transport him everywhere. Been there done that. Anger issues. Been there done that. Like damn. So much repeat. Hurt worse to my eye because I watched the entire series before BoG. I explained my viewpoint. You didnt think it was good enough.


I'm not playing victim. I'm saying instead of everyone being shocked that someone doesn't like Beerus. How about they explain why they enjoy Beerus.

Ok, so it's a year old copy paste. Then why did you post that instead of writing something new, if it doesn't reflect your current views.

Everybody in the series is a goofy fighting-loving cat with anger issues?

You're not saying why any of this is bad, though. You're just listing stuff and not actually developing a point. If repetition is so important that it is the sole reason you hate a character, then why on Earth do you like Goten? He's a mini Goku. Been there done that. He's a super strong kid. Been there done that. He's another half-Saiyan. Been there done that. He's extremely naive. Been there done that. Like damn. So much repeat.

No, your explanations are not telling us anything, other than that you seem to be arbitrarily assigning characters to certain characters over others. So yes, I don't think your explanations are good enough, because they don't actually explain anything. If I were to characterize Goku to someone unfamiliar with the series as "A guy who eats and fights a lot," would that be a fair description of the character, and representative of his actions and development? Of course not.

Like so many of your other posts, this is full of fluff with little actual content. You are not explaining anything, just listing off points.

I like Beerus because he's a unique antagonist, who is not evil, yet offers a genuine threat to the heroes. At the same time, he provides comic relief, and brings out sides of other characters that we haven't seen before. Beerus is the catalyst for both Goku's expressed loathing of borrowed power, and of Vegeta humbling himself in order to save everybody, which are facets of these characters that we haven't seen before. He's unpredictable, seeing as he can go from being perfectly content lounging about eating sushi, to breakdancing at a party, to cheating at rock-paper-scissors, to acting out about going on a world-killing spree, to a mentor to Goku in the blink of an eye. His relationship with Whis is also interesting as it is both a callback to the Kami/Popo and Kaioshin/Kibito relationships, yet is different enough to actually enhance the viability of them both remaining important characters, as this relationship is what allows Goku and Vegeta to begin training with Whis in the next movie.

Not to mention the flawless voice acting on the part of both his English and Japanese VA's.

Now, do you see how that's different than "Beerus is boring and sucks because we've been there before?"

[TheGmGoken]

Your first paragraph completely misses the point, and is irrelevant to this discussion.

Of course there's more to it. You are totally missing the relationship that he develops with Goku during their fight, how he goes from being an antagonist to, in Piccolo's words "training Goku." About how he goes from wanting to destroy the Earth to be willing to spare it out of respect garnered from his fight.

You are giving one line summations of character traits, not actually saying anything about how the character is portrayed or how he develops.

Your third paragraph completely misses the point, and is irrelevant to this discussion.

How is Beerus something we've already seen before? You seem to be the only person who has this opinion, so yes, I'd like you to elaborate on it. A person who speaks out against the majority is held to a higher standard to explain their viewpoint. It sucks, and it's probably not fair, but that's how it is. I personally try to back up my statements regardless, but I can't speak for everyone else.

I will say that if you are not willing to explain your viewpoint, then you shouldn't bother posting at all. A page full of "He's boring" and "No he's not!" contributes absolutely nothing and reflects badly on the community as a whole.

And for what it's worth, playing the victim by complaining that negative opinions require more explanation does nothing to help your point.

You do know that post is a year old right? It's a C/P of something from last June. I myself don't even remember what it said. I just search "Battle of Gods TheGMGoken" on Google and this post from Dbzf.UK came up.

This isn't the first time a respect relationship developed during a fight. Goku vs Ten and Ten vs Roshi was done better Imo. Roshi giving Ten a life lesson and Goku earning Ten's respect the more they fought. We kinda seen this with Kami vs Yamcha too. Beerus personality is still a goofy cat with anger issues. He likes a good fight. He wants to be entertained while fighting. Which is almost everyone in the series.Beerus is a one sentence personality. He's a simple little purple cat.

How is Beerus NOT new? He's a goofy gag characters. Been there done that. He's an ancient being feared across not only the universe (if you met him) but in other world too. Been there done that. He's the strongest guy I've ever fought. Been there done that. He has a guide who transport him everywhere. Been there done that. Anger issues. Been there done that. Like damn. So much repeat. Hurt worse to my eye because I watched the entire series before BoG. I explained my viewpoint. You didnt think it was good enough.


I'm not playing victim. I'm saying instead of everyone being shocked that someone doesn't like Beerus. How about they explain why they enjoy Beerus.

Ok, so it's a year old copy paste. Then why did you post that instead of writing something new, if it doesn't reflect your current views.

Everybody in the series is a goofy fighting-loving cat with anger issues?

You're not saying why any of this is bad, though. You're just listing stuff and not actually developing a point. If repetition is so important that it is the sole reason you hate a character, then why on Earth do you like Goten? He's a mini Goku. Been there done that. He's a super strong kid. Been there done that. He's another half-Saiyan. Been there done that. He's extremely naive. Been there done that. Like damn. So much repeat.

No, your explanations are not telling us anything, other than that you seem to be arbitrarily assigning characters to certain characters over others. So yes, I don't think your explanations are good enough, because they don't actually explain anything. If I were to characterize Goku to someone unfamiliar with the series as "A guy who eats and fights a lot," would that be a fair description of the character, and representative of his actions and development? Of course not.

Like so many of your other posts, this is full of fluff with little actual content. You are not explaining anything, just listing off points.

I like Beerus because he's a unique antagonist, who is not evil, yet offers a genuine threat to the heroes. At the same time, he provides comic relief, and brings out sides of other characters that we haven't seen before. Beerus is the catalyst for both Goku's expressed loathing of borrowed power, and of Vegeta humbling himself in order to save everybody, which are facets of these characters that we haven't seen before. He's unpredictable, seeing as he can go from being perfectly content lounging about eating sushi, to breakdancing at a party, to cheating at rock-paper-scissors, to acting out about going on a world-killing spree, to a mentor to Goku in the blink of an eye. His relationship with Whis is also interesting as it is both a callback to the Kami/Popo and Kaioshin/Kibito relationships, yet is different enough to actually enhance the viability of them both remaining important characters, as this relationship is what allows Goku and Vegeta to begin training with Whis in the next movie.

Not to mention the flawless voice acting on the part of both his English and Japanese VA's.

Now, do you see how that's different than "Beerus is boring and sucks because we've been there before?"

Well of course it's different. Yours is positive, mine is negative. Would be weird if they were the same no?

I'm multi-tasking. Between AMV editing, Face timing, DBZF, Kanzenshuu, Typing a paper, and catching up on Your Friendly Neighborhood Spiderman. Didn't really feel like typing a lot. So I went on Google and found an old BoG post.
And no, I said everyone in the series love a good fight not a goofy cat. Why I like Goten? Here ya go!.

I mean if you don't find the explanation good enough then OK. You don't. Still don't like Beerus and you disagree. More power to you. This is Beerus not GmGoken post history.

But if you must:
We first see Beerus as lazy sleepy cat who dreams of a fight! OK good. Until Earth it's basic generic stuff with him. So let's get into that. On Earth he's unfamiliar with food and loves it. Just yawn. At this point I almost rolled my eyes. So many times have I've seen this in fiction. Very uninteresting to me. Just eh. Another naive alien I thought. Then he kept talking about SSG. SSG was 75% of his lines. After some point I wanted to throw my icee at the screen and say "Shut the fuck up". So that's boring and annoying. Boring because he's another uninteresting alien. Annoying because he speaks the same shit. Then we found out he has anger issues. Oh boy did it go down here from there. Blowing up the Earth over Pudding. Honestly thought I was rewatching Majin Boo. Out of all things Pudding. Some find it funny but I find it horrible. Just nothing he did or speak entertain me. He's just there and irks the shit outta me. Like why are you on my screen? He's just a natural dislike for me. Add in the ancient being who was sleep shit and I'm done. Only thing interesting was his pressure point fighting but instead of a technical fighter he's just a brawler that gets angry. Just flat out boring. Just no connection between us. I least connect with Ten, Chaozu, and Whis. Not Beerus. Beerus is just Beerus. A waste of a character. Doesn't stand out at all. He's extremely predictable and had ZERO chemistry with everyone not name Goku. Even Vegeta didnt have good chemistry. Goku and Beerus at least felt force that flow together. Vegeta and Beerus just felt bad. Their interaction save the Bingo dance was highly skip able.

Beerus WAS not the first to bring out Goku borrowing power loath. Vegeta was BTW.

[Kamiccolo9]

Well of course it's different. Yours is positive, mine is negative. Would be weird if they were the same no?

I'm multi-tasking. Between AMV editing, Face timing, DBZF, Kanzenshuu, Typing a paper, and catching up on Your Friendly Neighborhood Spiderman. Didn't really feel like typing a lot. So I went on Google and found an old BoG post.
And no, I said everyone in the series love a good fight not a goofy cat. Why I like Goten? Here ya go!.

I mean if you don't find the explanation good enough then OK. You don't. Still don't like Beerus and you disagree. More power to you. This is Beerus not GmGoken post history.

But if you must:
We first see Beerus as lazy sleepy cat who dreams of a fight! OK good. Until Earth it's basic generic stuff with him. So let's get into that. On Earth he's unfamiliar with food and loves it. Just yawn. At this point I almost rolled my eyes. So many times have I've seen this in fiction. Very uninteresting to me. Just eh. Another naive alien I thought. Then he kept talking about SSG. SSG was 75% of his lines. After some point I wanted to throw my icee at the screen and say "Shut the fuck up". So that's boring and annoying. Boring because he's another uninteresting alien. Annoying because he speaks the same shit. Then we found out he has anger issues. Oh boy did it go down here from there. Blowing up the Earth over Pudding. Honestly thought I was rewatching Majin Boo. Out of all things Pudding. Some find it funny but I find it horrible. Just nothing he did or speak entertain me. He's just there and irks the shit outta me. Like why are you on my screen? He's just a natural dislike for me. Add in the ancient being who was sleep shit and I'm done. Only thing interesting was his pressure point fighting but instead of a technical fighter he's just a brawler that gets angry. Just flat out boring. Just no connection between us. I least connect with Ten, Chaozu, and Whis. Not Beerus. Beerus is just Beerus. A waste of a character. Doesn't stand out at all. He's extremely predictable and had ZERO chemistry with everyone not name Goku. Even Vegeta didnt have good chemistry. Goku and Beerus at least felt force that flow together. Vegeta and Beerus just felt bad. Their interaction save the Bingo dance was highly skip able.

Beerus WAS not the first to bring out Goku borrowing power loath. Vegeta was BTW.

It's different because one is backed up with actual points, not "Goten is the best character ever!/Beerus is the worst character ever!" I provided explanations and reasons why I liked the character. A positive opinion is not inherently more or less valid than a negative one, but a supported opinion is better than an unsupported one.

If you can't be bothered to actually pay attention and put effort into makeing quality posts, then don't bother posting.

No, the way you wrote it literally said that everyone in the series is a goofy cat. If you would take time to actually make sure you have quality posts, then you might have caught that.

You bothered to bring up that Goten thread, which exhibits the exact same kind of behavior I've been talking about. I'd rather not go on a line-by-line dissection of that pointing out each time you are just listing off things, rather than explaining a viewpoint, which would be okay, except you are offering that as your explanation.

"So many times have I seen this in fiction," Where? And why is that worse than the naive kid archetype that Goten is basically copied from?

"Super Saiyan God was 75% of his lines," No it wasn't, and even if it were, that's his motivation for being there. He was looking for the Super Saiyan God. How is he supposed to ask people where the Super Saiyan God is without saying the words "Super Saiyan God?"

"Boring because he's another uninteresting alien." Why is he uninteresting?

"Add in the ancient being who was sleep shit and I'm done" Why is this such a negative aspect of the guy's character?

" Only thing interesting was his pressure point fighting but instead of a technical fighter he's just a brawler that gets angry. Just flat out boring. Just no connection between us." You literally went from saying his fighting style was interesting to him being "just a boring brawler" in the same sentence. That doesn't make sense.

"Not Beerus. Beerus is just Beerus. A waste of a character. Doesn't stand out at all." If he doesn't stand out, then why were you about to throw food at the screen? Surely he left some kind of impression, unless you just make a habit of assaulting electronics.

"Even Vegeta didnt have good chemistry. Goku and Beerus at least felt force that flow together. Vegeta and Beerus just felt bad. Their interaction save the Bingo dance was highly skip able." Why was the interaction between Beerus and Vegeta bad? Just saying something is bad isn't supporting your viewpoint.

"Beerus WAS not the first to bring out Goku borrowing power loath. Vegeta was BTW." Goku never complained about hating that there was a power that he could not reach on his own until Beerus served as the catalyst for necessitation of Super Saiyan God.

Do you not see what you're doing? You're not elaborating on anything. You just keep making statements and occasionally contradicting yourself. You are not understanding the difference between opinion and explanation. We all know your opinion. Now explain why you feel that way.

Saying "Goten is the best character" is an opinion. When someone asks you why you like Goten, saying "because he is the best character," is not a valid explanation for the purposes of discussion. Why is he the best character? That's what people care about.

Same with this Beerus conversation. Saying that he's a bad character because he's boring and predictable doesn't tell us anything.Why is he boring? In what way is he predictable? That's what we want to know.

And a further piece of advice, leave out the "yawn," "just eh," "like, why are you on my screen." It doesn't make your argument look any better, and it makes your posting style look cluttered and unprofessional.

[TheGmGoken]

If you can't be bothered to actually pay attention and put effort into makeing quality posts, then don't bother posting.

No, the way you wrote it literally said that everyone in the series is a goofy cat. If you would take time to actually make sure you have quality posts, then you might have caught that. You bothered to bring up that Goten thread. the exact same kind of behavior I've been talking about. I'd rather not go on a line-by-line dissection of that pointing out each time you are just listing off things, rather than explaining a viewpoint, which would be okay, except you are offering that as your explanation. unprofessional

OR...I overlooked it and made mistake. I'm human. What Goten thread? That's a different website. What behavior. My behavior here is completely different than Dbzf. So once again what Goten thread? When did I even talked about Goten in this topic.

As I said. He didn't entertain me. Therefore I don't like him. Quite simple. Just a naturally dislike.

[DBZAOTA482]

I might as well say Goten sucks because he is like a fusion of Pilaf and Garlic Junior, because he is short and adds nothing to the plot.

DAAAMN!!!

[Kamiccolo9]

If you can't be bothered to actually pay attention and put effort into makeing quality posts, then don't bother posting.

No, the way you wrote it literally said that everyone in the series is a goofy cat. If you would take time to actually make sure you have quality posts, then you might have caught that. You bothered to bring up that Goten thread. unprofessional

OR...I overlooked it and made mistake. I'm human. What Goten thread? That's a different website.

As I said. He didn't entertain me. Therefore I don't like him. Quite simple. Just a naturally dislike.

The Goten thread you linked to IN YOUR LAST POST.
Yes, you said that. As a response to a request for an explanation as to why you thought he was a bad character. "Natural dislike" isn't an answer, because it doesn't mean anything. If you don't feel like supporting or explaining your position, either say so, or just don't reply. But don't expect people to value your opinions if you are unable or unwilling to articulate them. That's the point of a discussion forum. To discuss, not simply list off opinions.