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[DBZAOTA482]

As we all know Chi-Chi was a martial artist herself in her teen years, even participating in the 23rd Tenakichi Budokai, but after getting a debate with one guy that's (partly)in regards to her fighting prowess and the fact he wont get off my dick about it... it had me thinking "why do people have Chi-Chi in such low regard in terms of fighting prowess"? I mean, most fan-made power level lists that cover the 23rd Budokai have her the weakest out of all the participants by a good deal even lower than King Chappa (which I think is stupid for reasons I'll get to later). Some have her weaker than pretty much all of the 21st Budokai finalists, and sometimes even Mr. Satan himself.

People tend to overlook how easily she made it through the preliminary rounds in the 23rd Budokai, back when the tournaments had real competitors not like the tournament Mr. Satan won which was filled with mediocre fighters that have only above-average human strength. We've saw her, the Z-Senshi, and Piccolo take out their opponents with just one simple attack. The guy I'm arguing with says that cuz they don't have an exact idea of how strong the preliminary fodders are supposed to be therefore it is not a valid feat, but he ignores the general idea we're supposed to get from their victories is that all the finalists are well above any normal human standards with Chi-Chi being no exception.

Another thing is that people dismiss what is depicted in her fight with Goku as just gag rather than looking at them as legit feats. They say Goku wasn't taking Chi-Chi seriously in the slightest judging by his 'silly' expressions and was holding back drastically to a point where he deliberately let her believe she had a chance of beating him. I know Goku wasn't really trying to fight back as he was more concerned about finding out his identity and we all know Goku could very well mop the floor with her if he did, even if we did go by the power level Toriyama gave to her in the WSJ being 130, as a 2x gap is the minimum for stomp territory. However, it doesn't mean he wasn't trying to avoid her attacks as he wouldn't be staggering, moving frantically, or being off-balanced if he wasn't (and him being confused of who she is not much of an excuse).

...And that's where Roshi praising her as being "quite a master" comes in upon seeing her in action (and no it's not the same as how Jackie Shun described Panputto or how Bootenks described Tenshinhan). People argue Roshi said it out of respect in reference to her proficiency in the Turtle Hermit style. If that's the case then why not just mention her mastery in relation to the style? Instead he praises her as being "quite a master", or "really strong" depending on the translation, and then mentions her fighting style looking similar to him. Why have Roshi compliment like that especially with such astonishment if she's not meant to be in the same league as him and the other finalists? Certainly, Roshi wouldn't go out of his way to praise just any fighter worth their salt yet the guy I'm arguing with says it was just to "allude her importance or skill" then shoots it down and calls it meaningless. That's unfair, Toriyama-sensei had to have written it in for a reason.

Oh and the last thing people argue is her being knocked out of the ring with an "air punch" by Goku, stating it didn't have much power put into it cuz of the lack of "destructive potential" even though we clearly see Goku starting up before he launches it and the shock from Kuririn, Yamcha, and Muten Roshi was too great to indicate "Wow, didn't see that technique coming!" (they didn't even know what it was) as Kuririn and Yamcha could sense ki. It reads more of "Oh my Kami, he knocked her out of the ring with one blow!" aiding with Piccolo's surprise from him knowing the technique, indicating a considerable amount of force was put into it. Oh and Goku's worrying that he may have used too much force. People also tend to forget Goku took out the once renowned King Chappa in his new and improved state with even greater ease. He knocked Chappa out with a light karate chop to the neck that Kuririn calmly stated didn't have any of his real strength put into it while Goku's obviously more powerful kiai that sent Chi-Chi flying headfirst at high speed into a concrete wall barely hurt her.

Why does Chi-Chi rank so lowly with so many people in terms of fighting prowess? Is it cuz she never showcased any ki manipulation, and the fact that a non-ki user can be on the level of other superhumans that can is hard to come in terms with? Is it cuz just like the kids (Goten & Trunks), she's not all that popular a character therefore people would naturally refuse to give her credit where credit is due? Or is it out of ignorance?

[Angelus]

I think it's because she's a girl.

Another reason could be because she was the weakest one among the superhumans in the 23rd WMAT. Sure, she would be above Man-Wolf or Chappa but she would still be around Crane Hermit tier, a step below Roshi's level. Yajirobe, Korin, and Tao would still be above her. Given that she's buried under all those names, maybe that's why.

[Lord Beerus]

Because people take power levels too fucking seriously.

I think it's because she's a girl.

Um... Lazuli/#18 did effectively take over the world and murdered all of the Z-Fighters in one timeline and in the main timeline she kicked SSJ Vegeta's ass twice and effortlessly knocked out SSJ Future Trunks. And that was when SSJ actually meant something.

[Angelus]

I was just joking with the girl thing. XD

[Lord Beerus]

I was just joking with the girl thing. XD

I know.

I just loving boasting about Lazuli/#18.

[FoolsGil]

Well, first off, Dragonball Z is far better known than Dragonball. So for the western viewers, mine as well, their first meeting of Chi Chi is a housewife, not a warrior princess. it doesn't help that she's so dead set on Gohan becoming a scholar that she'll try and ignore planetary dangers. And then she slapped Buu like he owed her money. In GT she and Videl actually thought of taking on Super 17 I think with a broom. (Really, what the hell.) She didn't leave a good first impression and she got worst as time went on, so yeah, Chi Chi is underrated. Blame the corporate anime dubbers for picking the action packed Z first, and blame Toriyama for writing her with a sour taste.

As for getting past the prelims in Dragonball, who cares. Getting past the official first round says you're hot shit: Pompuut, got past the prelims. Ranfan, got past the prelims. Chi Chi getting past the prelims mean nothing, and doesn't say to me that she's as strong as everyone thinks.

[DBZAOTA482]

As for getting past the prelims in Dragonball, who cares. Getting past the official first round says you're hot shit: Pompuut, got past the prelims. Ranfan, got past the prelims. Chi Chi getting past the prelims mean nothing, and doesn't say to me that she's as strong as everyone thinks.

It's not about getting past the prelims in and of itself that counts. It's the matter of how it's done, and we saw her take out one guy with just a simple attack like the others who got past the prelims.

[FoolsGil]

As for getting past the prelims in Dragonball, who cares. Getting past the official first round says you're hot shit: Pompuut, got past the prelims. Ranfan, got past the prelims. Chi Chi getting past the prelims mean nothing, and doesn't say to me that she's as strong as everyone thinks.

It's not about getting past the prelims in and of itself that counts. It's the matter of how it's done, and we saw her take out one guy with just a simple attack like the others who got past the prelims.

Before his lost to Goku, King Chappa got past all his matches without being touched, and likely defeated his opponents with a simple strike. Chi Chi, at least to me, isn't as strong as she's made out to be.

[TheBritWriter]

Chi-Chi does have skill, but its like with everything in dragonball, if you miss the goku train your going to be left behind.

Also as skilled as she is, she isn't durable in a fight like say 18 or zangya. Even videl has trained herself to be more durable in a fight.

[Angelus]

It's not about getting past the prelims in and of itself that counts. It's the matter of how it's done, and we saw her take out one guy with just a simple attack like the others who got past the prelims.

That was filler. XD

[DBZAOTA482]

As for getting past the prelims in Dragonball, who cares. Getting past the official first round says you're hot shit: Pompuut, got past the prelims. Ranfan, got past the prelims. Chi Chi getting past the prelims mean nothing, and doesn't say to me that she's as strong as everyone thinks.

It's not about getting past the prelims in and of itself that counts. It's the matter of how it's done, and we saw her take out one guy with just a simple attack like the others who got past the prelims.

Before his lost to Goku, King Chappa got past all his matches without being touched, and likely defeated his opponents with a simple strike. Chi Chi, at least to me, isn't as strong as she's made out to be.

So...? Chappa is extraordinarily powerful in his own rights, he even moved his arms so fast that he has 8 arms. The fact he's reduced to being knocked out by Goku basically touching him (a light karate chop to the neck with none of his real strength put into it) just shows how much further Goku has become "out of the ordinary", yet "Daddy's girl" is barely hurt from an obviously more powerful attack that sent her bashing her head into a wall with high speed.

How much of my thread did you read?

Also as skilled as she is, she isn't durable in a fight like say 18 or zangya. Even videl has trained herself to be more durable in a fight.

So durable she was injured by a bullet.

That was filler. XD

No, it's in the manga

[Angelus]

I'm not sure which fight you meant but Chi Chi and Yajirobe had some filler fights in the tournament in anime. In the manga, Chi Chi had a fight with this one guy but we never really see it full view. But yeah, she did have one... I just thought you were referring to the filler one. XD

[Mystic Tien]

Because a lot of people forget that when she was a kid, she was much stronger than Goku and sent him flying by a simple shoulder tap, and after being trained by her father Gyumao who was a disciple of Master Roshi (along with Grandpa Gohan) she certainly became much stronger.

So durable she was injured by a bullet

Even though Videl is my favorite female DBZ character, I still don't understand all this hype around her, like she is stronger than warriors like Chi-Chi and pre-Z humans. In all honesty, I think that she is weak as hell, and that she is even weaker than characters like Ranfan and Husky.

[DBZAOTA482]

Because a lot of people forget that when she was a kid, she was much stronger than Goku and sent him flying by a simple shoulder tap, and after being trained by her father Gyumao who was a disciple of Master Roshi (along with Grandpa Gohan) she certainly became much stronger.

That first one is filler but she her kid self did give Yamcha quite a shock with her feat of outrunning and killing a T-rex so she's probably stronger than Yamcha at the beginning of the series despite no apparent fighting experience. Guess she was born abnormally strong.

Also, I wouldn't go as far to call Videl weaker than Ranfan. I could actually see Videl winning against her in a straight up battle. Dunno about Husky. I think people think she's that strong is due to her flight training with Gohan, and flight is pretty much necessary in DBZ.

I'm not sure which fight you meant but Chi Chi and Yajirobe had some filler fights in the tournament in anime. In the manga, Chi Chi had a fight with this one guy but we never really see it full view. But yeah, she did have one... I just thought you were referring to the filler one. XD

Same for the others.

[FoolsGil]

So...? Chappa is extraordinarily powerful in his own rights, he even moved his arms so fast that he has 8 arms. The fact he's reduced to being knocked out by Goku basically touching him (a light karate chop to the neck with none of his real strength put into it) just shows how much further Goku has become "out of the ordinary", yet "Daddy's girl" is barely hurt from an obviously more powerful attack that sent her bashing her head into a wall with high speed.

How much of my thread did you read?

Just because you don't like my answer, you going to get uppity? Psshhh, whatever let me break it down Barney style for you: Chi Chi's capabilities, are nothing special, Because even minor one shot characters can perform at her level. Chi Chi could be as strong as Chappa, or Pomputt, or Ranfan, or Giran or Nam or Man Wolf. All impressive specimens, but she is in their league, and no higher. That, is why her fighting capabilites are underrated-Because she is in a lower league. Deal with it.

[TheBritWriter]

Also as skilled as she is, she isn't durable in a fight like say 18 or zangya. Even videl has trained herself to be more durable in a fight.

So durable she was injured by a bullet.

Your picking videl retired from fighting ( and is pregnant) who wasn't expecting her husband to encourage a kid to shoot a gun as an example of her durability?

Anyway Chi-Chi has one great feat, she defeated the most annoying 'villain' of all time in the series. Mr Shu (that guy was an a$$hole!)

[Mystic Tien]

Because a lot of people forget that when she was a kid, she was much stronger than Goku and sent him flying by a simple shoulder tap, and after being trained by her father Gyumao who was a disciple of Master Roshi (along with Grandpa Gohan) she certainly became much stronger.

That first one is filler but she her kid self did give Yamcha quite a shock with her feat of outrunning and killing a T-rex so she's probably stronger than Yamcha at the beginning of the series despite no apparent fighting experience. Guess she was born abnormally strong.

Also, I wouldn't go as far to call Videl weaker than Ranfan. I could actually see Videl winning against her in a straight up battle. Dunno about Husky. I think people think she's that strong is due to her flight training with Gohan, and flight is pretty much necessary in DBZ.

Yeah, it is filler, but at least it is something to show her strength in anime =D I also think that she has abnormal strength for a kid.

Well, I just don't see Videl being strong. All her feats were beating some weak crooks and breaking a neck to a guy who lost to Mr.Satan without any struggle. Nothing outstanding. In the martial tournaments in DB we had people making a very high leaps into the air, dodging Ki blasts and wounding/hurting/keeping up with characters who were just a bit weaker than Roshi. These ones are much a bigger feat that anything which Videl has ever shown. Plus nor Roshi, nor Tao Pai Pai have ever shown ability to fly, yet they were strong as hell, so just having ability to fly won't make you stronger than anyone else, it will give you an advantage, but not anything more than that. Ranfan lent a couple of good hits to Nam, who was making a very big leaps into the air, and was keeping a fight with Goku who was just a bit weaker than Master Roshi, Videl has never shown anything even close to this feat, so I just don't see her being stronger than any of the people who made to the quarter-finals in DB.

[DBZAOTA482]

So...? Chappa is extraordinarily powerful in his own rights, he even moved his arms so fast that he has 8 arms. The fact he's reduced to being knocked out by Goku basically touching him (a light karate chop to the neck with none of his real strength put into it) just shows how much further Goku has become "out of the ordinary", yet "Daddy's girl" is barely hurt from an obviously more powerful attack that sent her bashing her head into a wall with high speed.

How much of my thread did you read?

Just because you don't like my answer, you going to get uppity? Psshhh, whatever let me break it down Barney style for you: Chi Chi's capabilities, are nothing special, Because even minor one shot characters can perform at her level. Chi Chi could be as strong as Chappa, or Pomputt, or Ranfan, or Giran or Nam or Man Wolf. All impressive specimens, but she is in their league, and no higher. That, is why her fighting capabilites are underrated-Because she is in a lower league. Deal with it.

Sheesh, and you call me out for being uppity?

Sorry but that one guy I was arguing with in the past made it into a huge conspiracy just for thinking Chi-Chi is stronger than a (novice) ki user despite not being an super uber scupper ki-user herself. It agitated me so much. He made such a big deal over casually adding in my opinion and I wasn't even talking to him.

Oh and I couldn't call Ranfan impressive. The only reason she made it that far is cuz of her feminine wiles. She has no real feats.

Your picking videl retired from fighting ( and is pregnant) who wasn't expecting her husband to encourage a kid to shoot a gun as an example of her durability?

Anyway Chi-Chi has one great feat, she defeated the most annoying 'villain' of all time in the series. Mr Shu (that guy was an a$$hole!)

Wasn't she on the spot where that happened and should have saw the bullet coming? And that's no real excuse, Roshi long retired himself but still takes bullets like bee stings.

Hey and that's not the only example. Majin fodder Spopovich able to hurt her by basically giving her a breeze (as in, a weak kiai).

[Mystic Tien]

Also as skilled as she is, she isn't durable in a fight like say 18 or zangya. Even videl has trained herself to be more durable in a fight.

So durable she was injured by a bullet.

Your picking videl retired from fighting ( and is pregnant) who wasn't expecting her husband to encourage a kid to shoot a gun as an example of her durability?

Anyway Chi-Chi has one great feat, she defeated the most annoying 'villain' of all time in the series. Mr Shu (that guy was an a$$hole!)

I also think that there is a possibility of her not being prepared for such turn of events which led to her being shot... But it doesn't actually help Videl or explains her inability to react to bullets. Goku in Dragon Ball easily could do that, people like Bora had such a tough skin that it didn't even let any bullets to wound him. And he didn't even learn Ki. Neither did Goku, until his training with Roshi, yet he managed to react to bullets. So to be honest nothing explains why Videl wasn't able to react/dodge/make ki barrier other than her being weak as hell, and not be able to react to a bullet. To put it simply she is just some ordinary girl who tends to be stronger than a lot of people surrounding her, but she is not in the same league with people like Namu, King Chappa and Pamput who probably trained (not sure about Namu, but he seems to be a Buddhist) their whole lives, dedicating themselves to martial arts, to be able become as strong as they were.

[TheBritWriter]

I also think that there is a possibility of her not being prepared for such turn of events which led to her being shot... But it doesn't actually help Videl or explains her inability to react to bullets. Goku in Dragon Ball easily could do that, people like Bora had such a tough skin that it didn't even let any bullets to wound him. And he didn't even learn Ki. Neither did Goku, until his training with Roshi, yet he managed to react to bullets. So to be honest nothing explains why Videl wasn't able to react/dodge/make ki barrier other than her being weak as hell, and not be able to react to a bullet. To put it simply she is just some ordinary girl who tends to be stronger than a lot of people surrounding her, but she is not in the same league with people like Namu, King Chappa and Pamput who probably trained (not sure about Namu, but he seems to be a Buddhist) their whole lives, dedicating themselves to martial arts, to be able become as strong as they were.

That would lead to nitpicking the scene, ever going as far as to why nobody else intervened and grabbed the bullet etc, simple explanation is that nobody was expecting a kid to be carrying and firing a real gun, it caught everyone unaware, it happens. The difference between Bora and Videl is that she's basically turned her back on fighting, and has no training since her stint at the world martial arts (or post movie 13 if considered) And is ki dependent to be a better fighter. Bora while not learning ki was still a fighter and kept a rigorous form of training. And as videl was pregnant that changes things, it certainly changed Gohan it made him into acaring dad and neglect his training to the point he's unsure he can still be ssj! Videl did quite well for herself during her stint training with ki, but obviously she never kept up with it.