New "Remastered Box Set" Information

Post by **SaiyaJedi** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:13 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
SaiyaJedi wrote:
MajinVejitaXV wrote:Time will prove me right or wrong, but here's my theory:

NO DragonBox masters were used here. The press release makes mention of removal of thousands of instances of dirt, scratches, etc...and I've seen no such things on the DragonBoxes. Why? Because they were already remastered themselves, and came directly from a new scan of the animation cels.
Actually, the Dragon Boxes did remove a ton of dirt and scratches from the masters, and corrected a lot of compositing errors by realigning them digitally. Just because they're still 10+ years old after the restoration, isn't the fault of the restoration process...
...I meant if they were using the DragonBox masters, which were 'remastered' primarily by scanning the original cels and making a new master print altogether, then FUNi/their remastering firm wouldn't have to re-remove scratches and dirt that didn't exist on the new masters. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

And it didn't occur to you that they might be saying this because not every single DBZ fan in North America has even heard of the Dragon Boxes? (Not to mention that there's no way in hell FUNimation's old masters could look that good no matter what they did to them...)

Seriously. If it looks like a Dragon Box, and quacks like a Dragon Box...

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:19 pm

And it didn't occur to you that they might be saying this because not every single DBZ fan in North America has even heard of the Dragon Boxes? (Not to mention that there's no way in hell FUNimation's old masters could look that good no matter what they did to them...)

Seriously. If it looks like a Dragon Box, and quacks like a Dragon Box...

Oooh, I know this one...

What's going to happen to the uncut edition collectors? Will there be two lines of DragonBall Z releases in the US/region1?

-rick

Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:24 pm

More speculation, but, they may not have gotten Dragonbox masters. That's something that cannot be answered with yes or no unless a FUNimation rep says otherwise, or we do side by side comparisons.

What people forget is that the original film, which was used to make the masters for the Dragonboxes, still exist, and it's entirely possible FUNimation are using that to do their own remaster. Infact, it's entirely possible and probably the case.

Ah who knows.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:30 pm

SaiyaJedi wrote:And it didn't occur to you that they might be saying this because not every single DBZ fan in North America has even heard of the Dragon Boxes? (Not to mention that there's no way in hell FUNimation's old masters could look that good no matter what they did to them...)

Seriously. If it looks like a Dragon Box, and quacks like a Dragon Box...

Yeah, but for those who know about the DragonBoxes, it's a cocktease. They're essentially saying, "Hey, we used the "original Japanese masters" and remastered them!" which has people going, "LOL DRAGHONBOX!" here and at AnimeonDVD. I'm asking FuniRepBlue from AnimeonDVD about it, and once I have something from her I'll share. I'm just saying, people who do have access to this site know about the DragonBoxes, and some think that a FUNi remastered set = DragonBox footage. Don't be a dick about it, I'm just voicing my opinion and you seem to be kind of short with me.

What people forget is that the original film, which was used to make the masters for the Dragonboxes, still exist, and it's entirely possible FUNimation are using that to do their own remaster. Infact, it's entirely possible and probably the case.

Here's my confusion, and please correct me if I'm wrong, anyone:

Wasn't one of the big points of the DragonBoxes that they created new masters from the original cels, and did minor corrections and alignment digitally, virtually eliminating a huge chunk of 'remastering' that was needed?

-Corey

Post by **SaiyaJedi** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:36 pm

Blitzen wrote:More speculation, but, they may not have gotten Dragonbox masters. That's something that cannot be answered with yes or no unless a FUNimation rep says otherwise, or we do side by side comparisons.

What people forget is that the original film, which was used to make the masters for the Dragonboxes, still exist, and it's entirely possible FUNimation are using that to do their own remaster. Infact, it's entirely possible and probably the case.

After reading the press release (which I've also gone back and linked in my first post of the thread), that's actually sounding more plausible. But if it really is an independent master of the same film source, the question becomes: Why?

Tenken · Post by **Tenken** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:40 pm

I personally don't think they used the dragon boxes, but then again, like Julian said, they didn't use the old footage either. Maybe they acquired better masters and worked from that?

But if it really is an independent master of the same film source, the question becomes: Why?

My guess is that Toei wouldn't let FUNi within pissing distance of their dragon box masters, especially since they aren't finished releasing the individual discs.

But seriously, who knows?

Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:40 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote: Here's my confusion, and please correct me if I'm wrong, anyone:

Wasn't one of the big points of the DragonBoxes that they created new masters from the original cels, and did minor corrections and alignment digitally, virtually eliminating a huge chunk of 'remastering' that was needed?

-Corey

Here's an analogy- You've got an old house, and a new house. One is kinda worn but liveable, needs some work etc. One is all ready and good to go. Both have the same ammount of bedrooms, builtins, bathrooms etc. Which one do you think would go for more?

The new one, even though it's the same as the old one. Some people enjoy or prefer the freedom of being able to fix things up how they want, even though it might not be as good and may cost them the same or not that much less than the newer one.

It might also be a price thing. Dragonbox masters might cost much more than original film, and FUNi figured it'd be cheaper to remaster it at home rather than get the Dragonbox material.

Edit: Toei would gain nothing by not allowing FUNimation to have Dragonbox masters. We've seen before that Toei, aswell as other Japanese licensors, aren't against the idea of selling or giving R2 remastered versions to the west. This is for three good reasons-

1. The main market in the US for DBZ is people who may or may not have even heard of the Dragonbox, or even bothered getting any relase of it. Since it's untranslated, it's basically of no use to them.

2. By the time remastered footage hits the west, a fair majority or the entirety of a series/whatever is out in Japan. Only a small fraction of people in Japan sit about for US releases. Japan's sales figures for the Dbox singles and sets indicate that they are strong sellers already, and not a huge influx of people would simply sell them to get possibly flawed/'not as good' American versions that'd still take years to finish.

3. (sort of 2 related) The Japanese take pride in what they make and purchase, so it's a sort of national pride thing. That's like it for every country though, so they don't have to worry about reverse importation all that much. It's entirely plausible that people in Japan import simply out of curiosity as to how Anime is handled in Foreign markets, but a lot of people simply don't care (some are amazed though at what we get. )

Grandmaster J · Post by **Grandmaster J** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:01 pm

Tenken wrote:My guess is that Toei wouldn't let FUNi within pissing distance of their dragon box masters, especially since they aren't finished releasing the individual discs.

That's what I'm thinking. And I think FUNi would've mentioned it in that trailer if they infact have, and are using the original remastered footage from the Dragonboxes. But they didn't.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:02 pm

Blitzen wrote:It might also be a price thing. Dragonbox masters might cost much more than original film, and FUNi figured it'd be cheaper to remaster it at home rather than get the Dragonbox material.

*places his chips in this pile*

-Corey

John · Post by **John** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:22 pm

BrollysKin wrote:On a lighter note I defecated myself upon hearing this news!

Forgive the off-topicitude, but that is probably the funniest thing you will ever read in an anime-related message board.

Hey. If this continues, we'll get to see Gohan going Super Bananers Level 2 with "Spirit VS Spirit" in the background in the English dub! Let's all pray that "widescreen" was a big fat dumb stupid idiot mistake that the dude making the trailer made.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:29 pm

John wrote:Hey. If this continues, we'll get to see Gohan going Super Bananers Level 2 with "Spirit VS Spirit" in the background in the English dub! Let's all pray that "widescreen" was a big fat dumb stupid idiot mistake that the dude making the trailer made.

I wonder how that'll work, since Gohan talks through the whole thing ;p

-Corey

fps_anth · Post by **fps_anth** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:32 pm

"Dragon Ball Z Season Set 1 covers the Vegeta Saga and it chronicles the introduction of one of Dragon Ball Z's main characters, Vegeta. The Dragon Ball Z Season Sets will be available at major retailers nationwide on February 6, 2007 and will have an SRP of $49.98. "

Yeehaw. Hopefully Zelda will hold me off until then.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:36 pm

Hm...

Heya Corey!

I’ll be honest all I have is the info on the official press release. So far I don’t have anything else. Sorry!

Here’s the link though of one that is posted:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061113/cgm009.html?.v=61

They will be releasing more info over the next couple of months but the fans tend to find out this stuff before I do!

Okay, so no official word either way. I asked if she knew what sources the new boxes were mastered from, and why they went with widescreen. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

-Corey

Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:41 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:[I wonder how that'll work, since Gohan talks through the whole thing ;p

-Corey

Well, they did they they were going to redo the dialouge or something like that, and even if they don't, it's easily removed, since there are no lip flaps and it ultimatly doesn't really affect anything, it's just more "HABLHAHALHABNLHAH".

Fanboy wishing, I know, but who is it that does the narration on the FUNi dub of Dragonball? If they could get him to do the English-VA/Japanese Music version (keep WILD WILD MONSTWERRRRRTRUCKS guy in the 5.1 with all of the new crap) then that'd be great (it'd flow a lot better from Dragonball).

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:41 pm

MajinVegitaXV wrote:Okay, so no official word either way. I asked if she knew what sources the new boxes were mastered from, and why they went with widescreen. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

Maybe we won't have to wait. I sent a congratulatory message this morning to Mr. Franko (the colorist, whom I've talked with before), complimenting him on what looks to me to be some rather fine work-- while slipping in the question of whether or not the masters they used are from the Dragon Box or FUNi's archives.

I've pretty much begged him to settle this debate for us. Let's see what happens.

fps_anth · Post by **fps_anth** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:47 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote: They will be releasing more info over the next couple of months but the fans tend to find out this stuff before I do!

So, that means we'll get updates in December and January most likely, right? Either it's further information about season 1 (more special features, clear up the widescreen situation, dragonbox or not quality) or information about the next season on DVD! God, I can't wait for the Namek/Ginyu saga finally on DVD over here.

Also, any opinions on cover art? Considering that they are doing saga boxes, they could fit full sized DVDs with possibly new cover art on them. Knowing Funi, they'll probably use the UUE style for the ones already released and the Namek saga, and possibly continue this over to the rest of the series (which would be pretty cool tbh), or they can be bitches and use the EXACT same covers that they used for the initial dub DVDs. Or, they could surprise us BIGTIME and have completely new DVD covers, like the R2 DVDs.

Hey, I can dream!

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:52 pm

Regarding covers? So long as it's not a screencap (or a collage of screencaps), I greatly anticipate it. Screencaps were fine when I was only just starting out with the DVDs, but we've come a long way and these all-important boxes provide a fantastic opportunity for new ideas.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:49 pm

Wow, not bad at all. Not exactly the R2's or the old brightened up FUNi footage, but definitely MUCH nicer than before.

I'm really not liking this widescreen thing since I've been used to watching the entire series full screen. Even when watching the widescreen movies Dragon Box, I still get a "cut" feeling.

So how many times must we purchase the first couple of episodes? I got enough Raditz on dvd to go around

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:12 pm

Revised English dialogue? Maybe that means the Ginyu\Frezza saga will be re dubbed? Eh, I doubt it but they were so damn vauge. Also, Japanese BGM with English voices? Where does it say that?

MarcFBR · Post by **MarcFBR** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:21 pm

It's not the Dragonbox masters, they are just pointing out it isn't video masters, or tv masters they went and cleaned up, it was film masters, which is the proper type of master to clean up and scan in HD.