Why the other Kais's haven't gotten their bodies back?

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Why the other Kais's haven't gotten their bodies back?

Post by Kishido » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:39 am

We have seen at least twice.

King Kai died and simply got a halo... And nothing really changed.

Old Kai died and simply got an halo... He still is there

Why the other Supreme Kais, who weren't absorbed by Buu, haven't simply gotten their bodies back as the other 2?

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Re: Why the other Kais's haven't gotten their bodies back?

Post by Marco Polo » Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:00 am

Because Buu presumably destroyed both their living bodies and dead bodies.

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Re: Why the other Kais's haven't gotten their bodies back?

Post by Kishido » Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:04 am

Marco Polo wrote:Because Buu presumably destroyed both their living bodies and dead bodies.
And this wa said? And how has Buu done it?

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Re: Why the other Kais's haven't gotten their bodies back?

Post by Dbzfan94 » Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:14 am

Kishido wrote:
Marco Polo wrote:Because Buu presumably destroyed both their living bodies and dead bodies.
And this wa said? And how has Buu done it?
It wasn't said, but it makes sense. Old Kai got right back up after he died.

So, it should happen for North Supreme Kai and West Supreme Kai too. Buu probably killed them, then they got back up and he killed them again.

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Re: Why the other Kais's haven't gotten their bodies back?

Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:01 pm

Dbzfan94 wrote:
Kishido wrote:
Marco Polo wrote:Because Buu presumably destroyed both their living bodies and dead bodies.
And this wa said? And how has Buu done it?
It wasn't said, but it makes sense. Old Kai got right back up after he died.

So, it should happen for North Supreme Kai and West Supreme Kai too. Buu probably killed them, then they got back up and he killed them again.
Yeah, I imagine that would be the case. Majin Boo was a specialist in overkill. :)

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Re: Why the other Kais's haven't gotten their bodies back?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:17 pm

When demons kill someone, their souls stay in limbo and can't go to the AfterLife.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Why the other Kais's haven't gotten their bodies back?

Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:21 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:When demons kill someone, their souls stay in limbo and can't go to the AfterLife.
Despite being a "Demon Person" via his Majin title/species/whatever, Buu (in any form) is never stated to be a "demon" in the same sense as Piccolo Daimao.
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Re: Why the other Kais's haven't gotten their bodies back?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:49 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:When demons kill someone, their souls stay in limbo and can't go to the AfterLife.
Despite being a "Demon Person" via his Majin title/species/whatever, Buu (in any form) is never stated to be a "demon" in the same sense as Piccolo Daimao.
I know, Boo isn't a Mazoku, but he is still a demon.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Why the other Kais's haven't gotten their bodies back?

Post by dragonballer » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:53 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:When demons kill someone, their souls stay in limbo and can't go to the AfterLife.
Despite being a "Demon Person" via his Majin title/species/whatever, Buu (in any form) is never stated to be a "demon" in the same sense as Piccolo Daimao.
I know, Boo isn't a Mazoku, but he is still a demon.
even in manga,dabura wasn't in limbo,so he isn't that kind of demon.

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Post by TheDevilsCorpse » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:57 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I know, Boo isn't a Mazoku, but he is still a demon.
In Dragon Ball, just being a "demon" doesn't seem to put you in that limbo death class. You have to be in that mazoku class, however that works. No one worries about characters being in limbo from Dabra or Buu. They just don't. Goku even thinks Buu killed Gohan and upon returning to the afterlife asks Enma Daio where his son is. His first thought when the judge tells him Gohan hasn't been through there isn't "Oh yeah, Buu is a demon and Gohan is in limbo", it's that Gohan must be alive. Same for Dabra. He wasn't in limbo either.

EDIT: Beaten on that last one.
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Re: Why the other Kais's haven't gotten their bodies back?

Post by ZombieVito » Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:33 pm

Because plot.

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Post by Dayspring » Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:21 am

It's also worth noting that we don't know for sure that they didn't get their bodies. It's possible they chose to go to Heaven, as is their right. It's only as of the final battle against Kid Buu that we learn he can leave the living realm, so there'd be no need for dead Kaioshin to re-enter the fray.
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Post by TheBritWriter » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:38 pm

Dbzfan94 wrote:
Kishido wrote:
Marco Polo wrote:Because Buu presumably destroyed both their living bodies and dead bodies.
And this wa said? And how has Buu done it?
It wasn't said, but it makes sense. Old Kai got right back up after he died.

So, it should happen for North Supreme Kai and West Supreme Kai too. Buu probably killed them, then they got back up and he killed them again.
That seems to make sense the most, Buu can travel to otherworld etc and Goku made it clear to vegeta there were to be no comebacks where he to lose his life whilst in halo status.

But what happens once the supreme kais were killed by Buu (and their soul versions presumably destroyed also) were they gone for good, or possible their in reincarnation process, (isn't there a tree that creates new kais every 1000 years or so?)

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Post by Dbzfan94 » Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:18 pm

[quote="TheBritWriter] But what happens once the supreme kais were killed by Buu (and their soul versions presumably destroyed also) were they gone for good, or possible their in reincarnation process, (isn't there a tree that creates new kais every 1000 years or so?)[/quote]

I would assume they're gone for good, because Buu killed the Kai's (millions?) of years prior to the Buu Saga, and Supreme Kai & Kibito, and then later Old Kai are the only ones there

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Post by Cetra » Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:09 pm

It was a Plothole. The Demon Boo is not less demon than Great Demon King Piccolo. Just as nothing was mentioned again about Piccolo's victims like Chiaotzu and others which came before the demon void explanation. It is a plothole.
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Post by FoolsGil » Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:21 pm

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I know, Boo isn't a Mazoku, but he is still a demon.
In Dragon Ball, just being a "demon" doesn't seem to put you in that limbo death class. You have to be in that mazoku class, however that works. No one worries about characters being in limbo from Dabra or Buu. They just don't. Goku even thinks Buu killed Gohan and upon returning to the afterlife asks Enma Daio where his son is. His first thought when the judge tells him Gohan hasn't been through there isn't "Oh yeah, Buu is a demon and Gohan is in limbo", it's that Gohan must be alive. Same for Dabra. He wasn't in limbo either.
And then after Kid Buu destroyed the Earth, Tenshinhan, Goten, Trunks, and Gohan are nowhere to be found. And it was only before that, did Supreme Kai explain how Buu came around and murdered his predecessors. So there was a flip flop with deciding what kind of monster Buu was, that is, if Toriyama decided then and there that Buu is a 'mazoku' instead of a regular demon.

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Re: Why the other Kais's haven't gotten their bodies back?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:04 am

TheDevilsCorpse wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:I know, Boo isn't a Mazoku, but he is still a demon.
In Dragon Ball, just being a "demon" doesn't seem to put you in that limbo death class. You have to be in that mazoku class, however that works. No one worries about characters being in limbo from Dabra or Buu. They just don't. Goku even thinks Buu killed Gohan and upon returning to the afterlife asks Enma Daio where his son is. His first thought when the judge tells him Gohan hasn't been through there isn't "Oh yeah, Buu is a demon and Gohan is in limbo", it's that Gohan must be alive. Same for Dabra. He wasn't in limbo either.

EDIT: Beaten on that last one.
We only saw Fat & Evil Boo's victims going to the AfterLife, but we never saw victims of Pure Boo. Piccolo lost the ability to trap his victims in limbo when he started to change to a better person according to Kami, so it seems that you have to be a pure evil demon in order to trap someone in limbo, and Fat/Evil Boo did have a good part in them.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Why the other Kais's haven't gotten their bodies back?

Post by Dorexx » Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:40 am

Maybe Elder Kaioshin gained this privilege because of the witch, and pure Kaioshin don't really have it. After all, they're "above" the afterlife itself, and were probably never expected to ever die anyway, until Majin Buu.
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