Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:So, er, I went to uni for a few hours and in that time this thread has blown up even more than it had when I left. Is it worth going back and reading the last 17+ pages?
I'm just gonna repost this before I go to sleep. Just to be clear.
Saiyan007 wrote:People have different opinions get over it
No need to love everything DB related just because Toriyama made it
And there you have it. DUECES!
Akira Toriyama wrote:If anyone. ANYONE AT TOEI! Makes a movie about old and weak major villains returning, or making recolored versions of Super Saiyan, I'ma come to yo company and evict you from doing Dragon Ball ever again! Only I do those things, because people love me, and they despise you....derp!
Marco Polo wrote:Goku Black is a fan of DBZ who hates Super and has taken the form of a younger Goku (thinner shape, softer hair) to avenge the original series by destroying the new.
DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:So, er, I went to uni for a few hours and in that time this thread has blown up even more than it had when I left. Is it worth going back and reading the last 17+ pages?
Really hoping this movie tears it up at the box office. I'm sure Toei has high expectations going into this.
Who wouldn't do that?
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dbzfan7 wrote:Take SSJ Goku, change his clothes, change his voice, and people would buy it's a new character. Do that for something like SSJ God and everyone will think it's Goku. I wouldn't be surprised if most people thought Goten was Kid Goku when he came around. Golden Freeza is the only one who could plausibly pass as a new character design. I say this cause honestly a transformation should feel like...a transformation.
We call Super Saiyan God a transformation because it's easy to understand that way, but that's not exactly what it is. It is the result of a Saiyan tapping into the godly ki, and it has some effects on their physical form. That's why I think the simplistic design of Super Saiyan God works so well. A similar thing could be said about the regular Super Saiyan phases. These aren't "transformations" in the same vein of the Oozaru, Zarbon, or Freeza. You don't become a different person, but rather the way your ki works changes. Sometimes the physical effects are drastic (Super Saiyan 3), and sometimes they're not.
That being said, we know nothing about this new "form". Again, transformation might not be the right way to describe it. Perhaps it is just the physical result/side effect of full mastery/synchronization of godly ki.
On a side note, I'm not sure why everyone expects Vegeta's Super Saiyan God transformation to be a different color than Goku's. I don't see why that would be the case other than the fact that a lot of fan art has depicted him as blue...
That's just my opinion on a transformation. I don't decide what is right and wrong. Personally if I look at something, and the first thing I think is a deviant art palette swap, then that's not good. Personally for me, a transformation has to be something you can't recognize right away at first glance. For example if Goku never wore those bandages around his head at the 23rd Tenkaichi tournament, then everyone would have spotted him easily from his hair. If Goku walked in as an SSJ, then no one would recognize him, even if he wore the same clothes. If SSJ God walked in, then everyone would know it's Goku cause of his hair.
Honestly the reason SSJ God gets hate, is cause it's even labelled a Super Saiyan form. If it were called something else, then I'm sure people wouldn't mind it as much.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
No matter how much you try to defend this new transformation. Its still completely lame. Its almost like a joke "blue super saiyans now?" Toriayama is literaly destroying his franchise at this point. This makes me feel disgusted because it feels like some kind nightmare to me. And as much as i try not to think about this the harder it is for me to accept it.
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VeteranX wrote:When I joined this community I expected to have a good time having discussions with fellow "fans" of the series but all this sourness is making me doubt this. Never knew a form/power up,characters(possibly not making it in) will make it "shitty".
I'm still hyped up for this movie and hope everyone at Japan has a good time watching it!
Both sides are very passionate for Dragon Ball I like to believe. Whether positive or negative. As the old saying goes "You can't please everyone."
I understand that very well. Not everything In this story is perfect it does have flaws and I also understand not everyone gonna like the same thing. Opinions.
To me it seems some people don't even like the series at all. Just countless nitpicking or bashing that hasn't been presented yet(rumor). Sorry for the rant btw
I know I'm joining the speculation at the 11th hour, but here's some thoughts of mine...
Spoiler:
Regarding Whis' time-altering ability... If a gun appears in the first act, it's gonna be used in the third. My bet is that when things become hopeless or lost, Whis will give Goku or Vegeta (or both) a second chance. Perhaps from a teaching angle, telling them to use what they've learned. Also, this ability makes Whis utterly invincible, so I doubt he'll fight Freeza. If he wanted to stop Freeza himself, he could just prevent him from being wished back. Or obliterate him before he changes into his golden form.
Freeza's four-month power up: Not a big issue. Dragon Ball has a LONG history of ridiculous power ups. I just hope there's a little more to his training than some air-punches and push-ups.
I don't think Trunks and Goten will have anything more than a change of clothes. I doubt they'll have visibly aged, since Mai and Marron haven't visibly aged since the last movie.
Golden Freeza: The thing I dislike about this form is the color palette used. The golden parts don't look golden, they're more of a milky dark mustard color. I think the form would've looked MUCH better and less clashy if the golden parts of his body had the shine and warmth and color of real gold. And if his face, hands and feet were more gemlike a la his purple chest piece and top of head. Amethyst cabochons and gold are a lovely combination in jewelry, so purple and gold weren't a bad choice. The shades used were.
Spoiler:
I think a nice twist would be if Sorbet betrays Freeza somehow. In the first manga chapter, Freeza turned out to be more brutal than his military expected/remembered, killed Tagoma, decided to go after Goku (which Sorbet and Tagoma didn't want to do), etc... Sorbet obviously isn't gonna turn good, but he may decide that Freeza is unstable, unpredictably murderous towards his own men, and a threat to the empire's continued existence.
My biggest problem with the movie is the 1000 soldiers being presented as a serious threat. That's just too ridiculous for me to suspend my disbelief. Freeza's average soldiers were weaklings back during the Freeza saga. At this point, Piccolo should be able to vaporize the entire lot with a sneeze. If some of the good guys DID have to mop up 1000 grunts, it should be comedically easy rather than something they're having difficulty with.
Spoiler:
Tagoma is Zarbon/Dodoria level, and is the soldier that Sorbet chose to accompany him when wishing Freeza back. So how are these lesser grunts able to put up a fight?
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Fools don't realize Blue symbolizes the soul of the pure hearted Saiyans when they all performed the ritual correctly, SSJG was merely the entrance into the godly realm of power and Beerus even said Goku was just learning about it. A heightened, more experienced level of godly training would most likely result in those awesome transformations. Blue hair, thats probably reflective and glossy, that I'd imagine pulsates.
How dare people call Akira lazy and use all these judgmental statements. Just as I'd expect actually, power hungry fools who only care about appearances, appearances don't exemplify who you are. That is why the godly divine form ignores all selfish desires of a high and mighty appearance. That does not truly matter, and the way you react on this only reflects your primitive views and love for the series. Lol, its a shame to see people succumb so low sometimes.
GeeRod wrote:You guys expect this movie to be more successful than BOG? Or not? I really hope it does
99% sure it will be. Hell just look how big this thread got compared to BOG and the movie hasn't even come out yet.
Look how many people are online. The excitement is in the air.
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GokuRules987 wrote:No matter how much you try to defend this new transformation. Its still completely lame. Its almost like a joke "blue super saiyans now?" Toriayama is literaly destroying his franchise at this point. This makes me feel disgusted because it feels like some kind nightmare to me. And as much as i try not to think about this the harder it is for me to accept it.
The blue transformation hasn't even been confirmed yet, you should wait until a confirmation then you can hate as much as you want. And how does a new transformation destroy a franchise?
GokuRules987 wrote:No matter how much you try to defend this new transformation. Its still completely lame. Its almost like a joke "blue super saiyans now?" Toriayama is literaly destroying his franchise at this point. This makes me feel disgusted because it feels like some kind nightmare to me. And as much as i try not to think about this the harder it is for me to accept it.
The blue transformation hasn't even been confirmed yet, you should wait until a confirmation then you can hate as much as you want. And how does a new transformation destroy a franchise?
Don't acknowledge such arrogant views and judgmental opinions. He probably only cares about what he wants for a transformation and if it doesn't meet his muscular powerful standards he will resort to saying the creator is destroying the franchise. This is typical among the new generation of fans. Young power hungry fiends
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Saiyan007 wrote:People have different opinions get over it
No need to love everything DB related just because Toriyama made it
Opinions are fine. Everyone has them of course.
Insulting the author or anything that's not to YOUR liking isn't.
Why can't you insult authors?
They're not perfect and everything and everyone is open to criticism
If people want to call him lazy because all he did was change hair and eye colors and call it a transformation let them as long as they have backing behind it I don't see the problem
When people say the franchise has gone down hill recently, I'm not really sure what it is they like about Dragon Ball. Almost everything we've been seeing lately is hitting the sweet-spot for me.
VeteranX wrote:When I joined this community I expected to have a good time having discussions with fellow "fans" of the series but all this sourness is making me doubt this. Never knew a form/power up,characters(possibly not making it in) will make it "shitty".
I'm still hyped up for this movie and hope everyone at Japan has a good time watching it!
Both sides are very passionate for Dragon Ball I like to believe. Whether positive or negative. As the old saying goes "You can't please everyone."
I understand that very well. Not everything In this story is perfect it does have flaws and I also understand not everyone gonna like the same thing. Opinions.
To me it seems some people don't even like the series at all. Just countless nitpicking or bashing that hasn't been presented yet(rumor). Sorry for the rant btw
I'm sorry if things are toxic. You could consider me a skeptic, but I do have good things to say too. Things are kinda ugly now, but you'll definitely find people who are optimistic and a pleasure to talk to. You could always put the toxic comments on your foe listing, so you don't need to see them.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
batistabus wrote:When people say the franchise has gone down hill recently, I'm not really sure what it is they like about Dragon Ball. Almost everything we've been seeing lately is hitting the sweet-spot for me.
They call it palette swaps hahahhaha. They don't understand Akira is deeper than that and uses many different inspirations before deciding on a design choice completely. They don't even know their author well enough. Dragon Ball is forever cursed with these childish fans
They're not perfect and everything and everyone is open to criticism
Insults and criticism are two different things. I have no issue with anyone saying "I think Toriyama's being kinda lazy about this because...", but adding insults into your criticisms to demean someone or to be utterly disrespectful about it, whether it be the author or another member of this forum, is completely unacceptable.
If I'm interpreting this right, it looks like people are lining up to meet guys dressed as Freeza?
