How much powerful would the humans be if they went in ROSAT?

[Angelus]

Let's say, during the Cell Games wait... Tien and Krillin went in the ROSAT for 2 years, followed by Krillin and Chiaotzu for 2 years. How much more powerful do you think they'll get? They could also bring in weighted clothing and some Capsules that contain a gravity room that can go up to 400x Earth's gravity.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I don't think they would get much stronger, just like Goku & Piccolo wouldn't get much stronger for a 2nd day inside the RoSaT, which is why they never got in for a 2nd day.

[DBZAOTA482]

Kuririn and Ten could give %50 Final Form Freeza a challenge. Yamcha could beat a suppressed Final Form Freeza. Chaozu could put up a fight against Reacoom like Vegeta did.

[ZazamPow]

I don't think they would get much stronger, just like Goku & Piccolo wouldn't get much stronger for a 2nd day inside the RoSaT, which is why they never got in for a 2nd day.

I think the reason for that is that after one trip, their bodies had adjusted and the stress was no longer great enough to make gains. The humans would likely make great gains on their first trip, just like everyone else did, in fact if Tien and Yamcha went in together and took things seriously, they might have emerged just as strong as Piccolo.

[FoolsGil]

All human fighters would be between Captain Ginyu and First Form Freeza, which isn't too bad.

[Saiga]

Let's say, during the Cell Games wait... Tenshinhan and Krillin went in the ROSAT for 2 years, followed by Krillin and Chiaotzu for 2 years. How much more powerful do you think they'll get? They could also bring in weighted clothing and some Capsules that contain a gravity room that can go up to 400x Earth's gravity.

I don't think it'd benefit them too much, as Tenshinhan wasn't interested in it. And he's the most training focused of all the humans.

[Diotor]

If you partnered up Krillin and Tenshinhan they'd probably make some pretty decent games. I'd have them both somewhere between First and Second form Freeza.

Yamcha and Yajirobe then maybe? Yajirobe would probably be a better shout than Chiaotzu as he seems to be most ki/mental powers and Yajirobe's toughness would help with the power discrepancy (and may actually make him take training seriously for once).

Regardless of these gains, the humans would be virtually irrelvant to the Androids or Cell, though if Tenshinhan was significantly more powerful and started spamming Shin-Kikohos...

[Kamiccolo9]

I maintain that they wouldn't get any stronger, because they'd be dead. I've seen nothing to convince me that they would be capable of surviving in enhanced gravity.

[FoolsGil]

I maintain that they wouldn't get any stronger, because they'd be dead. I've seen nothing to convince me that they would be capable of surviving in enhanced gravity.

There is also no evidence that says that they wouldn't survive enhanced gravity.

[Kamiccolo9]

I maintain that they wouldn't get any stronger, because they'd be dead. I've seen nothing to convince me that they would be capable of surviving in enhanced gravity.

There is also no evidence that says that they wouldn't survive enhanced gravity.

Except that's not how it works. Evidence can't be used to prove a negative, you have to prove that they can. As of right now, there is no evidence speaking one way or another.

[FoolsGil]

I maintain that they wouldn't get any stronger, because they'd be dead. I've seen nothing to convince me that they would be capable of surviving in enhanced gravity.

There is also no evidence that says that they wouldn't survive enhanced gravity.

Except that's not how it works. Evidence can't be used to prove a negative, you have to prove that they can. As of right now, there is no evidence speaking one way or another.

I will have to disagree, because there is something that is called the Glomar Response: You cannot confirm or deny 'X.' We've never seen the humans use gravity training, So we cannot confirm or deny that it's effective or just suicide.

[Angelus]

Well they were on King Kai' planet that had 10x gravity, same as the ROSAT. They don't have to use the Capsulzied gravity rooms. The option is just there. XD

[Kamiccolo9]

I will have to disagree, because there is something that is called the Glomar Response: You cannot confirm or deny 'X.' We've never seen the humans use gravity training, So we cannot confirm or deny that it's effective or just suicide.

Except Dragon Ball does, in instances where it's not blatantly obvious, apply real world logic. A human cannot survive in enhanced gravity of the type seen in the series. So we have a basis to promote the viewpoint that they cannot survive in enhanced gravity because the species that they are members of are incapable of surviving in enhanced gravity.

"But Kamiccolo, humans can't shoot lasers out of their hands either!" That's true. However, we actually see this happen in Dragon Ball, so this is a case in which in-universe logic trumps real life logic. We do not, however, ever see an Earthling survive in enhanced gravity, aside from filler.

And after looking up the Glomar Response, that has absolutely nothing to do with the logical fallacy of having to prove a negative. So I'm not sure why you brought it up.

[dbzfan7]

I maintain that they wouldn't get any stronger, because they'd be dead. I've seen nothing to convince me that they would be capable of surviving in enhanced gravity.

Well all the humans on Kaio's world survived 10 times gravity.

[Kamiccolo9]

I maintain that they wouldn't get any stronger, because they'd be dead. I've seen nothing to convince me that they would be capable of surviving in enhanced gravity.

Well all the humans on Kaio's world survived 10 times gravity.

They didn't survive anything. They were dead.

[dbzfan7]

I maintain that they wouldn't get any stronger, because they'd be dead. I've seen nothing to convince me that they would be capable of surviving in enhanced gravity.

Well all the humans on Kaio's world survived 10 times gravity.

They didn't survive anything. They were dead.

Yeah you're right. Though they were in 10 times gravity at least and I think your body still feels strain in the afterlife. I mean if it didn't then Goku wouldn't have gotten stronger while dead. Anything else is up to speculation on how much the humans could take. Even so I think the Zenkai's helped Goku a lot during gravity training, and the humans don't have that, so their gains would probably be less than his.

[FoolsGil]

And after looking up the Glomar Response, that has absolutely nothing to do with the logical fallacy of having to prove a negative. So I'm not sure why you brought it up.

Well, you said, (paraphrased) "There's no evidence that says human's can withstand higher gravity, so they can't. I said "There's no evidence that says they can't either." You, still feeling that using IRL logic in dragonball makes sense, said (paraphrased) "Lack of evidence doesn't prove they can or can't. Just can't, and can't only. And I said, to play your game of IRL logic in Dragonball, "Lack of evidence does prove they either can or can't, there's even an actual term for it."

All in all, you can't use IRL logic in the dragonball world, and you shouldn't even try. In the end you can't prove that you're right, you're just going with your gut, because there is a lack of evidence proving against your logic, and is using the world that exists as your foundation, which is just ridiculous.

[Kamiccolo9]

@dbzfan
It feels the strain, but it wouldn't have to inflate lungs, or pump blood, or stuff like that. The pressure, I believe they could take. Just not the other stuff.[quote="FoolsGil"]
@foolsgil
And that's why you shouldn't paraphrase. And if you're getting onto me for using IRL evidence, I suggest you go after anyone who ever discusses feats in Dragon Ball with a torch and a pitchfork. What I said is nothing near as insane as the stuff a lot of them go on about.

[dbzfan7]

@dbzfan
It feels the strain, but it wouldn't have to inflate lungs, or pump blood, or stuff like that. The pressure, I believe they could take. Just not the other stuff

I'm interested in your view. Throwing away numbers I do believe some bodies are just generally better suited towards harsh conditions. Such as Saiyan natural toughness, Freeza surviving in space, etc. Humans can get strong, but their bodies may be more frail than Saiyans.

[Lord Beerus]

The human wouldn't get much stronger even if they went into the ROSAST. Krillin, Tien and Yamcha pretty much hit their peak by the time the Cell Games began. And as Kamiccolo9 pointed out, would they even survive in such an environment? It's highly unlikely.