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Chi-Chi is in the upper S tier of earthings, she would bitch slap Videl away without trying. Videl is weaker than BoDB Goku probably, none of her feats are anything impressive. Saying Chi-Chi is "only" as strong as Nam/Giran is also an understatement, those guys are also in the upper S tier of earthlings, and are insanely strong. No one anywhere near their strength entered the later tournaments.

[Diotor]

I think Chi Chi could put up a good fight (and possibly win) against guys like Nam. Videl would be beaten easily.

[Dayspring]

Neither Chichi nor Videl are good enough at manipulating ki to make any type of ki blast. This tells us they're both weaker than Chaozu when we met him at the 22nd Budokai. If people disagree with that assessment, we know for a fact that Chichi's weaker than Yajirobe, since she wasn't among those invited to train with Kami for the Saiyans.

Unlike some others, I see her passing the preliminaries to mean that yes, she's very strong by regular human standards. Forcing Goku to have to actually dodge in the 23rd Budokai suggests she would have hurt him had he taken her blows head on. I'm not at all saying she would have won (he beat her the same way Jackie Chun beat Yamcha, after all), but it gives you an idea as to how strong she is compared to people like Videl. I think a fight between her and Nam would have been very interesting to watch, probably even winning.

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Neither Chichi nor Videl are good enough at manipulating ki to make any type of ki blast. This tells us they're both weaker than Chaozu when we met him at the 22nd Budokai. If people disagree with that assessment, we know for a fact that Chichi's weaker than Yajirobe, since she wasn't among those invited to train with Kami for the Saiyans.

Unlike some others, I see her passing the preliminaries to mean that yes, she's very strong by regular human standards. Forcing Goku to have to actually dodge in the 23rd Budokai suggests she would have hurt him had he taken her blows head on. I'm not at all saying she would have won (he beat her the same way Jackie Chun beat Yamcha, after all), but it gives you an idea as to how strong she is compared to people like Videl. I think a fight between her and Nam would have been very interesting to watch, probably even winning.

Yajirobe hasn't shown he's good enough to manipulate ki into blasts yet we don't assume he's weaker than 22nd Budokai Chaozu. Jist cuz they haven't shown they can doesn't they're not strong or that they can't. And Muten Roshi wasn't invited either.

And her passing through the prelims in and of itself isn't what matters, it's how she did it that really counts.

[Dayspring]

Neither Chichi nor Videl are good enough at manipulating ki to make any type of ki blast. This tells us they're both weaker than Chaozu when we met him at the 22nd Budokai. If people disagree with that assessment, we know for a fact that Chichi's weaker than Yajirobe, since she wasn't among those invited to train with Kami for the Saiyans.

Unlike some others, I see her passing the preliminaries to mean that yes, she's very strong by regular human standards. Forcing Goku to have to actually dodge in the 23rd Budokai suggests she would have hurt him had he taken her blows head on. I'm not at all saying she would have won (he beat her the same way Jackie Chun beat Yamcha, after all), but it gives you an idea as to how strong she is compared to people like Videl. I think a fight between her and Nam would have been very interesting to watch, probably even winning.

Yajirobe hasn't shown he's good enough to manipulate ki into blasts yet we don't assume he's weaker than 22nd Budokai Chaozu. Jist cuz they haven't shown they can doesn't they're not strong or that they can't. And Muten Roshi wasn't invited either.

And her passing through the prelims in and of itself isn't what matters, it's how she did it that really counts.

Yajirobe doesn't know how to manipulate his ki until after he's trained with Kami, he's just naturally gifted in terms of muscular strength. Chichi would have learned the basics of ki manipulation from her father, but not to the point of making a ki blast since Gyumao himself isn't strong enough to do that.

The reason I mentioned Yajirobe being invited to train with Kami is because he's the weakest (unless Chaozu is weaker than him) among the strongest people on Earth. When Bulma uses Raditz's scouter to find the largest Battle Powers on Earth (that aren't in the room), the smallest it picks up is Yamcha's 177, despite Yajirobe literally being outside the door and Chichi and Gyumao being seconds away from arriving. This tells us that Gyumao, Chichi and Yajirobe are weaker than 177, while Roshi not being among those trained by Kami suggests a Battle Power of 139 is too low to bother. The fact that Chichi isn't invited to train either would tell us that she's weaker than Raditz-saga Yajirobe and Chaozu.

She could still be very strong, just not as strong as this unknown BP that's between 139 and 177.

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Neither Chichi nor Videl are good enough at manipulating ki to make any type of ki blast. This tells us they're both weaker than Chaozu when we met him at the 22nd Budokai. If people disagree with that assessment, we know for a fact that Chichi's weaker than Yajirobe, since she wasn't among those invited to train with Kami for the Saiyans.

Unlike some others, I see her passing the preliminaries to mean that yes, she's very strong by regular human standards. Forcing Goku to have to actually dodge in the 23rd Budokai suggests she would have hurt him had he taken her blows head on. I'm not at all saying she would have won (he beat her the same way Jackie Chun beat Yamcha, after all), but it gives you an idea as to how strong she is compared to people like Videl. I think a fight between her and Nam would have been very interesting to watch, probably even winning.

Yajirobe hasn't shown he's good enough to manipulate ki into blasts yet we don't assume he's weaker than 22nd Budokai
Chaozu. Jist cuz they haven't shown they can doesn't they're not strong or that they can't. And Muten Roshi wasn't invited either.

And her passing through the prelims in and of itself isn't what matters, it's how she did it that really counts.

Yajirobe doesn't know how to manipulate his ki until after he's trained with Kami, he's just naturally gifted in terms of muscular strength. Chichi would have learned the basics of ki manipulation from her father, but not to the point of making a ki blast since Gyumao himself isn't strong enough to do that.

The reason I mentioned Yajirobe being invited to train with Kami is because he's the weakest (unless Chaozu is weaker than him) among the strongest people on Earth. When Bulma uses Raditz's scouter to find the largest Battle Powers on Earth (that aren't in the room), the smallest it picks up is Yamcha's 177, despite Yajirobe literally being outside the door and Chichi and Gyumao being seconds away from arriving. This tells us that Gyumao, Chichi and Yajirobe are weaker than 177, while Roshi not being among those trained by Kami suggests a Battle Power of 139 is too low to bother. The fact that Chichi isn't invited to train either would tell us that she's weaker than Raditz-saga Yajirobe and Chaozu.

She could still be very strong, just not as strong as this unknown BP that's between 139 and 177.

Nothing in the series suggests it's cuz Gyumao isn't strong enough to use ki blasts considering it's a skill not a strength. Maybe he's naturally gifted in strength as well since he's essentially a demi-god and that was inherited by Chi-Chi as well. I mean, we saw her outrun and kill a T-rex as a kid despite having no apparent fighting experience whatsoever.

I have no doubt in mind Yajirobe's stronger than Chi-Chi (though I think he was forced to go for different reasons) but I think Chaozu went along either cuz of Tenshinhan and/or cuz while his battle power is relatively low, his psychic abilities greatly exceeds it. Oh, and Chi-Chi's battle power in a WSJ page back at 1989 was 130. That's close to Roshi's.

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Nothing in the series suggests it's cuz Gyumao isn't strong enough to use ki blasts considering it's a skill not a strength.

I always got the impression it was a bit of both, but more-so the latter. Those who don't know how to manipulate their kis but are very strong can make ki blasts with ease. Even Gohan had the ability when Piccolo chucked him at a mountain.

I have no doubt in mind Yajirobe's stronger than Chi-Chi (though I think he was forced to go for different reasons) but I think Chaozu went along either cuz of Tenshinhan and/or cuz while his battle power is relatively low, his psychic abilities greatly exceeds it.

That's where we'll have to disagree. Chaozu continues to train with Tenshinhan. He's weak, yes, but only comparatively. His Battle Power is continually growing from the constant training, even if only slightly. I see him as having surpassed this previous era's masters (meaning Tsurusennin and Kamesennin) by the time Z starts, if only because of the whole passing of the torch motif established in the 21st and 22nd budokais.

Oh, and Chi-Chi's battle power in a WSJ page back at 1989 was 130. That's close to Roshi's.

Sweet. Thanks for the head's up. I always got the impression she was around his level and this confirms it.

[Diotor]

Weekly Jump #31, 1991 (from the wikia) has Yajirobe as nearly 1,000 and Chaotzu only around 670 while fighting the Saiyans. Maybe that changed in the later arcs of Z as Yajirobe maid a point of doing as little as possible.

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I always got the impression it was a bit of both, but more-so the latter. Those who don't know how to manipulate their kis but are very strong can make ki blasts with ease. Even Gohan had the ability when Piccolo chucked him at a mountain.

I think anyone can do ki blasts. It's just more diluted the weaker the user is.

He's weak, yes, but only comparatively. His Battle Power is continually growing from the constant training, even if only slightly. I see him as having surpassed this previous era's masters (meaning Tsurusennin and Kamesennin) by the time Z starts, if only because of the whole passing of the torch motif established in the 21st and 22nd budokais.

Chaozu seemed like the exception to the motif of the student surpassing the master in the tournaments otherwise being scared of Tsuru-sennin's threat to kill him wouldn't make much sense and I don't see him doing any vigorous training in the 5 year timeskip since Goku didn't (I think his overall BP was 112-121). Either way, Karin choosing Chaozu over Chi-Chi proved to be a huge mistake in the long run since Chaozu was too weak to be of any use.

Sweet. Thanks for the head's up. I always got the impression she was around his level and this confirms it.

Well, that's something we both can agree on. You wouldn't believe how some people flip over it.