So was Dr. Gero the true mastermind behind the RRA?

Jermyn · Post by **Jermyn** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:31 pm

So was Dr. Gero the true mastermind behind the Red Ribbon Army? I mean I find it hard to belive that someone as smart and ruthless as Gero would work for an moron like Commander Red. I think he was just useing Red, Black and the rest of the Red Ribbon Army as pawns to get the Dragonballs for him so he could take over the world.

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:41 pm

There is, of course, no actual mention of Gero until Z. But no matter what Gero's actual role was back then, I always got the impression that Commander Red was the top of the food chain: Commander Red, as in the Red Ribbon Army. Gero was probably a scientist in his employ, or something . . .

Jermyn wrote:I mean I find it hard to belive that someone as smart and ruthless as Gero would work for an moron like Commander Red.

Black was highly intelligent, and he worked under Red for years until he discovered his true intentions. Even if Gero is smarter and more ruthless, Red's intentions were probably never revealed that far down the chain even when Black took over and thus never caused Gero to rebel-- but this is just my opinion.

Slickmasterfunk · Post by **Slickmasterfunk** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:43 pm

Jermyn wrote:So was Dr. Gero the true mastermind behind the Red Ribbon Army? I mean I find it hard to believe that someone as smart and ruthless as Gero would work for an moron like Commander Red. I think he was just using Red, Black and the rest of the Red Ribbon Army as pawns to get the Dragonballs for him so he could take over the world.

Ah, but remember, Gero's later artificial humans never had anything about world conquest in their programming. Their sole purpose was the murder of Goku. I think Gero was probably very handsomely paid by Red for his creations and that was probably it. Once Goku beat the army, Gero probably lost everything he had and that would be his reasoning behind his revenge. But hey, what do I know?

Tanooki Kuribo · Post by **Tanooki Kuribo** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:48 pm

http://www.daizex.com/guides/rumors/dub_mistakes.shtml Scroll to the bottom and...

Jermyn · Post by **Jermyn** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:53 pm

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:http://www.daizex.com/guides/rumors/dub_mistakes.shtml

No, the dub said he was the LEADER of the army not the man pulling the strings behind the scenes.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:38 pm

Jermyn wrote:
Tanooki Kuribo wrote:http://www.daizex.com/guides/rumors/dub_mistakes.shtml
No, the dub said he was the LEADER of the army not the man pulling the strings behind the scenes.

And Dragon Ball's dub corrected it. Still, Z's lie remains, and by a financial viewpoint, no reason to go back and fix it later.

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:14 am

Ah, but there's now the possibility. We already know that at the very least Kyle Hebert has been called in to narrate again-- for consistency's sake-- and he mentioned a few other minor revisions were being made, as well. And if the trailer for these season sets is any indication, FUNi may decide to go picking through their inconsistencies one by one as they come across them in preparing the audio.

Majin Buu · Post by **Majin Buu** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:31 am

I agree with Lemmy. I too also wondered why Gero would work for a leader who sent numbers of his men to die for such a petty reason. But the only person he revealed his plans to was Black, who killed him shortly after, and seeing as how Black himself was killed a few minutes later by Goku, Gero probably never found out about Red's petty intentions (which is actually kind of funny when you think about it).

And like Slickmaster said, Gero probably had some personal stake in the army's success that was ruined by Goku.

Eat Snow · Post by **Eat Snow** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:49 pm

Li'l Lemmy is correct; Red was the top authority. It is very very likely that Gero was, as Lemmy said, a hired scientist at the time, or at least one of them. Gero didn't really have a reason back then (if he did it wasn't mentioned anywhere) to plan any sort of rebellion or use the army as a foothold for world domination or anything like that. In DBZ Gero was the only surviving Red Ribbon member that actually cared about the fact that the army was destroyed by a boy who couldn't even operate an elevator, so he created the Jinzouningens to go kill Goku in order to get revenge. Thus being so, it's apparent that he was very loyal to the army and had no reason to backstab anyone. But then again, this is Gero we're talking about, so it doesn't have to make complete sense.

gohanku · Post by **gohanku** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:31 pm

Maybe Gero was so angry at Goku for destroying his job that he swored eternal vengence on him, or he could just be bored.

Pedro The Hutt · Post by **Pedro The Hutt** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:14 pm

He got a telepathic message from the Toriyama from the future to go and make (more) artificial humans so he could have a villain after the Freeza arc. >.>;;

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:18 am

I just realized that the redribbon symbol appears on the Jinzouningen in DBZ. I am compelled to wonder why.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:37 pm

caejones wrote:I just realized that the redribbon symbol appears on the Jinzouningen in DBZ. I am compelled to wonder why.

Because they were made by a former RRA scientist who found it hard to break the habit of putting their symbol on them?

Pedro The Hutt · Post by **Pedro The Hutt** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:30 pm

He still had some outfits lying around, he could either dress his artificial humans in them, or give them to charity, concidering the evil scientist that he is, he obviously chose the former.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:00 pm

I had hoped that Funimation when dubbing Dragonball would have fixed Toei's continuity error regarding Android 8.

Mystic Jack · Post by **Mystic Jack** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:00 pm

I don't thinke he was the mastermind behind the whole army, if he was then #8 wouldn't have been such a flop. If you ask me I think that his abilities greatly improved as he made the androids, obsessing over his revenge.

Hmmm, again with the fanboyish day dreams!

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:03 am

Hmm... He likes making jinzouningen that kill stuff. So only a secret army would hire him, and ... that's where his life's work went? So the Red Ribbon army was like, a family, almost? o.o... Dr. Gero character analysis...

johnny139 · Post by **johnny139** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:27 pm

No, he was just really, really into it. It being the RRA. He's kinda like a Neo-Nazi. He blindly followed Red, and still belives in him (even though he was an outright liar), hence the whole "Goku is the scum of the Earth, I'm going to dedicate my life to killing the person who destroyed my leader."

Though he was quite smart, he lacked common sense. You know, like giving #17 and #18 free will. Big mistake.

Mr.Piccolo · Post by **Mr.Piccolo** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:49 pm

Liking the new avatar. Too bad Alias isn't around; I'd like to thank him/her. I have a question about Gero: was his goal to rule the world or destroy it? I've heard so many different explinations so I have no clue. Its safe to say he doesn't have a one track mind like 16's right..?

-Rick

johnny139 · Post by **johnny139** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:59 pm

Mr.Piccolo wrote:Liking the new avatar. Too bad Alias isn't around; I'd like to thank him/her. I have a question about Gero: was his goal to rule the world or destroy it? I've heard so many different explinations so I have no clue. Its safe to say he doesn't have a one track mind like 16's right..?

-Rick

As far as I remember, it was to avenge the RRA. So, yeah, one track mind.

Kanzenshuu

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