What is the lamest thing to come out of modern DBZ?

[Rocketman]

Gohan is at least in the movie fighting. Plus, I doubt if we know how big of a part he will play. He may actually prove useful in this movie.

He gets killed effortlessly by first form Freesa. Goten and Trunks don't appear at all.

[The Desert Bandit]

Gohan is at least in the movie fighting. Plus, I doubt if we know how big of a part he will play. He may actually prove useful in this movie.

He gets killed effortlessly by first form Freesa. Goten and Trunks don't appear at all.

They released information on that already? Wow.

Then that's my bad. I only knew that Gohan was fighting in the movie, and that everyone avoided telling Goten and Trunks of the fight.

[Doctor.]

Gohan is at least in the movie fighting. Plus, I doubt if we know how big of a part he will play. He may actually prove useful in this movie.

He gets killed effortlessly by first form Freesa. Goten and Trunks don't appear at all.

They released information on that already? Wow.

Then that's my bad. I only knew that Gohan was fighting in the movie, and that everyone avoided telling Goten and Trunks of the fight.

The entire movie was already released once and the site has a synopsis up, not sure if you're aware but letting you know just in case.

[The Monkey King]

Bardock's original OVA was great, the main character is a bad guy yet you can sympathise with him, he's strong in his own right but doesn't get any ass pull transformations and so rightfully dies against Freeza while his psychic powers only make his death more tragin. His story is well written and self contained.

What I do not understand is modern Dragon Ball's obsession with digging up Bardock's corpse and shtting on it for a quick buck, DB- was garbage, EoB, was shit, and I don't even want to know why he's got some stupid edgy mask in DB Heroes.

I mean God damn, leave bardock alone, they're ruining the reason why people like Bardock, he was a likable space pirate who didn't want his planet vaporised.

[EXBadguy]

*cough*Vegeta*cough*not bein' able to*cough*finish* the main*baddie*double cough*. Oh, I need*cough*some water.

Oh, and as for the Broly vs BoG discussion, Movie 8>Movie 12>BoG=Bio-Broly in my humble opinion.

[The Desert Bandit]

The entire movie was already released once and the site has a synopsis up, not sure if you're aware but letting you know just in case.

I actually didn't. Lol. I'm such a greenhorn.

[Shinsa]

In all honesty DB never really had a crazy deep story and its full of plot holes however some of the new things i dont like are...

-Modern DBZ, this one is funny because your topic asks what i dont like about modern dbz....but i pretty much think everything from modern DBZ is trash. The movies could have been a new,fresh and different start to the series (something like Legend of Korra is to Avatar for example) but the series just seems to be the same old thing over and over.

to be more specific:

-Episode of Bardock, pretty much shits on the legend and ruins bardocks character. I'm not sure its canon but i dont consider it to be even if Toriyama states it is.
- Vegeta has a brother, this is a huge plot hole and takes away from Vegetas character and the saiyans. I dont consider this canon as well as this was an atrocious idea....if they wanted to re-introduce saiyans there are so many better ways
-SSJ God, dont think i need to explain myself as its a stupid concept and completely redundant.
-Vegeta, the writing for Vegetas character is terrible and he just out right sucks now. Hopefully he gets something good about him in Resurrection F

Regardless of how others feel about Freizas revival and how lame it is, I'm actually excited for the movie! I'm not getting my hopes up because it will probably suck...but hey its DBZ and ill watch it.

[vegitot]

In all honesty DB never really had a crazy deep story and its full of plot holes however some of the new things i dont like are...

-Modern DBZ, this one is funny because your topic asks what i dont like about modern dbz....but i pretty much think everything from modern DBZ is trash. The movies could have been a new,fresh and different start to the series (something like Legend of Korra is to Avatar for example) but the series just seems to be the same old thing over and over.

to be more specific:

-Episode of Bardock, pretty much shits on the legend and ruins bardocks character. I'm not sure its canon but i dont consider it to be even if Toriyama states it is.
- Vegeta has a brother, this is a huge plot hole and takes away from Vegetas character and the saiyans. I dont consider this canon as well as this was an atrocious idea....if they wanted to re-introduce saiyans there are so many better ways
-SSJ God, dont think i need to explain myself as its a stupid concept and completely redundant.
-Vegeta, the writing for Vegetas character is terrible and he just out right sucks now. Hopefully he gets something good about him in Resurrection F

Regardless of how others feel about Freizas revival and how lame it is, I'm actually excited for the movie! I'm not getting my hopes up because it will probably suck...but hey its DBZ and ill watch it.

What is Bardock character?

[fadeddreams5]

The movies could have been a new,fresh and different start to the series (something like Legend of Korra is to Avatar for example)

That reminds me. I need to see that series. >.>

-Episode of Bardock, pretty much shits on the legend and ruins bardocks character. I'm not sure its canon but i dont consider it to be even if Toriyama states it is.

If you think THIS ruined Bardock's legend and character, I suggest you never read Dragon Ball Minus, written by Toriyama and canon to the manga.

Vegeta has a brother, this is a huge plot hole and takes away from Vegetas character and the saiyans. I dont consider this canon as well as this was an atrocious idea....if they wanted to re-introduce saiyans there are so many better ways

Vegeta's brother was mentioned in BoG, so he's now canon to the manga, unfortunately.

[Rocketman]

Except they aren't. The manga is long since complete.

[DBZAOTA482]

In all honesty DB never really had a crazy deep story and its full of plot holes however some of the new things i dont like are...

-Modern DBZ, this one is funny because your topic asks what i dont like about modern dbz....but i pretty much think everything from modern DBZ is trash. The movies could have been a new,fresh and different start to the series (something like Legend of Korra is to Avatar for example) but the series just seems to be the same old thing over and over.

to be more specific:

-Episode of Bardock, pretty much shits on the legend and ruins bardocks character. I'm not sure its canon but i dont consider it to be even if Toriyama states it is.
- Vegeta has a brother, this is a huge plot hole and takes away from Vegetas character and the saiyans. I dont consider this canon as well as this was an atrocious idea....if they wanted to re-introduce saiyans there are so many better ways
-SSJ God, dont think i need to explain myself as its a stupid concept and completely redundant.
-Vegeta, the writing for Vegetas character is terrible and he just out right sucks now. Hopefully he gets something good about him in Resurrection F

Regardless of how others feel about Freizas revival and how lame it is, I'm actually excited for the movie! I'm not getting my hopes up because it will probably suck...but hey its DBZ and ill watch it.

What is Bardock character?

A badass Saiyan soldier.... a real badass.

[Low Tone G]

Now I've got my lamest thing: Blue Super Saiyan. I've never thought that I will say something like that about a DB stuff but I really hate it. Seriously, not to mention that is really ugly, but also very pointless and contradicts some B.o.G. facts. We already saw Goku going Super Saiyan against Beerus having God power fully absorbed(which is truly confirmed by Toriyama himself in an interview as Goku doesn't even need to transform intro Saiyan God anymore), yet his hair remained golden. We can not even argue that Goku wasn't going all out against Beerus in those moments, so this colour changing is really useless and amateur move from Toriyama, and it served marketing purposes.

[Mystic Tien]

Honestly, this applies to the new movies as well as DBZ as a whole.

Certain characters from DB being shrugged off... You know who...

Yamcha and Chaotzu. While Chaotzu isn't high in my favorites (However, I do feel bad for him), Yamcha is my favorite character in the series. Literally, Tenshinhan still fights at least, as well as Krillin. However, other than that, humans have been outclassed.

I wish Toriyama would stop neglecting some of his characters. I understand he introduces new ones, but he should really focus on the old ones and build them up more before bringing out a new alien or hybrid who starts off stronger than all the humans put together. I see countless hate towards Yamcha and Chaotzu, which could be ended if Akira Toriyama finally acknowledges them.

Worst, Yamcha and Chaotzu are excluded from Resurrection F because the battle is 'too dangerous,' yet Master Roshi is fighting (Who is supposedly weaker than Yamcha and Chaotzu). In fact, it's almost made me want to not watch the new movie.

Yamcha and Chaotzu haven't been relevant since ages though. We're was past that point, at this stage even Gohan, Goten and Trunks are getting shrugged off. Who saw that one coming

Ik, but I brought it up as it was an ongoing issue up to even this movie. Plus, I was extremely upset how Master Roshi is fighting but they aren't.

As for Gohan, Goten, and Trunks, Gohan is at least in the movie fighting. Plus, I doubt if we know how big of a part he will play. He may actually prove useful in this movie. As for Goten and Trunks, it was stated that Gohan decided not to tell them, yet they can sense energy. I'm pretty sure Goten and Trunks will notice the energies and head to the scene later in the movie. I could be wrong, so we'd have to wait until the movie comes out.

With Yamcha and Chaotzu, I could almost guarantee that Akira Toriyama wouldn't let them appear at all. Trust me.

Gohan already didn't prove him as being useful. Don't count it as a spoiler, just a little information. But I agree with you that it is sad that Tien, Yamcha and Krillin are completely useless now, though at this point pretty much everyone who isn't Goku and Vegeta is useless, and even Vegeta doesn't do much.

Vegeta's brother was mentioned in BoG, so he's now canon to the manga, unfortunately.

No, he is just canon to BoG, no more than this. Besides Toriyama's depiction of "Vegeta's brother" may largely differ from Toei's (Naho Ooishi's) one.

[Dyno]

I don't even want to know why he's got some stupid edgy mask in DB Heroes.

Excuse me? How can you shit on something you don't even want to know? That mask surely adds more to the character than what even the goddess Ooishi Naho did to him. Yeah, maybe his plot on Online takes away his honorable death, but gives way more and an in-depth character development than what you may think. And this is exactly what Bardock is needing.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Now I've got my lamest thing: Blue Super Saiyan. I've never thought that I will say something like that about a DB stuff but I really hate it. Seriously, not to mention that is really ugly, but also very pointless and contradicts some B.o.G. facts. We already saw Goku going Super Saiyan against Beerus having God power fully absorbed(which is truly confirmed by Toriyama himself in an interview as Goku doesn't even need to transform intro Saiyan God anymore), yet his hair remained golden. We can not even argue that Goku wasn't going all out against Beerus in those moments, so this colour changing is really useless and amateur move from Toriyama, and it served marketing purposes.

What marketing purposes? Blue Super Saiyan was not teased whatsoever by TOEI or Toriyama anywhere. Also, how can you know if it is "ugly" when not a single offical image of it is even released yet? Also, when Goku went SS in BoG he hadn't fully absorbed Godhood (that was he turned SSG for the 2nd time and asborbed Beerus' attack) Beerus simply stated that Goku did not notice he had transformed back into a regular SS and we can assume Goku was just fighting off the adrenaline of SSG.

[vegitot]

A badass Saiyan soldier.... a real badass.[/quote]
When did AT describe him as a badass soldier?

[TheGmGoken]

A badass Saiyan soldier.... a real badass.

When did AT describe him as a badass soldier?[/quote]
Toriyama didn't make the character. Toei did. Toriyama liked the special so much that he put it in the manga.

I don't believe Toriyama ever said the word "badass" in his life.

[SingleFringe&Sparks]

- C17 & C18's "real" names. (Names dont sound like human names... Lapis? Who names their son that?)
- SSJ Bardock (Turns Bardock into a Goku rip off which he wasn't. He isnt even a good guy, hes an anti-hero)
- DB Minus: Goku's mission retcon (Wasnt sent to take over Earth but was a pure-hearted "good" saiyan all along. He didnt become good himself.)
- SSJGod ritual (It also seemed too easy to obtain. Its as if they could have gotten it at any time if Vegeta decided to cooperate in prior arcs.)
- SSJGod backstory. (Back to prehistoric planet Vegeta the center of the universe...)
- Shenlong's Fangasm over Beerus
- SSJ with blue hair (Impending) ... Just no.. looks like they have ice powers or something.
- "Golden" Freeza's name, attainment and very uninspired appearance.
- Freeza's God-sue potential (Having the God power "all along" and he was just too lazy to bring it out. Rather than it just being brand new)
- Trunks X Mai deadend Shipping.
- Hell retcon being a magical whimsical land.
- Freeza somehow keeping his body over all other villains.
- Goku gets ambushed & killed by New Freeza Soldier. (Freeza didnt even kill him, someone infinitely weaker than Goku did?)
- Videl's unrecognizable design Change. (Her hairstyle makes her look like a different character.... Pan to a lot of people)
- Freeza blows up Planet in desperation, yet again. (and not in sheer arrogance like Buu did.)
- Whis Time Travel: Instant Bad-Ending Fix. (Seriously. No... Toriyama.....)
- Goku just Win-blocking Vegeta in the end; just because the Earth blew up.

[Zephyr]

- Hell retcon being a magical whimsical land.
- Freeza somehow keeping his body over all other villains.

Those two aren't necessarily true though. Freeza could have merely been in a small section of Hell, and the other villains could be chilling in pods waiting for reincarnation as well.

[Luso Saiyan]

A badass Saiyan soldier.... a real badass.

Even if the character had been defined as such, EoB doesn't make him not a badass.

Toriyama didn't make the character. Toei did.

Toriyama co-created the character (he had already been mentioned in the manga by Raditz), he just didn't name him or explored it until Minus. Toei created the TV special and made its own interpretation of the character in it.